@AskQuestion Bid Bot Spammer Flag Results + Downvote Report Generator Tool Sneak Peek

pjau (63) · 6 years ago

You already have a second bid bot owner. Me 😁

By the way, probably next week (otherwise the week after) I will be increasing my delegation again to you guys.

I hope others will consider supporting too. I highly recommend it.

Anyway good job to all that have helped! 😊

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anthonyadavisii (70) · 6 years ago

Thanks so much, @pjau. I did not realize that you also run one. I am very thankful for any bot owner that is mindful of abuse and even more thankful of one that would support our mission with our most critical resource. Steem Power.

Also, thank you so much for adding that spammer to @mack-bot. That was crucial.

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pjau (63) · 6 years ago

I did not realize that you also run one

Not many would, it's pretty small fry.. hehe, ~50c vote.

critical resource. Steem Power.

Personally, while I am here to make personal gain (I mean who isn't, its a cryptocurrency). I think people need to dedicate either time or resource (sp) to help making the chain a better place too. If it was completely selfish then no one would flag anything, spammers would completely destroy this place and the token would become worthless.

While @steemflagrewards only has 10k sp now, the presence and the comments left make a mark too, it shows new people and spammers people are watching, sometimes they won't change, sometimes they do, and they start producing better quality content. I have seen it personally happen. I help people in Discord every week, some end up having to go through cheetah appeal and they come out of it writing great quality posts.

😎👌

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

I disagree. Maybe they are just wiping out the competition and I can't support that. This outfit goes after low SP accounts while the bigger ones can do as they please. They're watching; so am I and I did not come here to interact with bots. You want a platform that's about Whales and bots? What investor is going to buy Steem then? That's the bottom line; Steem will go up when people want to buy it. People flagging each other to bits isn't improving our chances. As it stands Steem is an expensive commodity to get into, so who is going to buy Steem when your ROI can get flagged down to nothing by bots? Greetings.

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pjau (63) · 6 years ago

Maybe they are just wiping out the competition and I can't support that

Flagging is just a tool for the community to moderate the content, I think it is necessary because if everyone was just to spam, then where would the value lie? Why would anyone want to buy into a place filled with spam.

This outfit goes after low SP accounts while the bigger ones can do as they please.

They only have 10k SP, they can't exactly go after something that has like $100 value. This is why they need more delegation, but until then it is good to spread their power out, if that means low SP, then so be it. Spam is spam, doesn't matter if its 1 cent or a million.

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

Thank you for addressing my question. I do have to add that some of steemflagreward's backers are bot owners themselves and some of them are famous for shit posts.

To an investor the value lies in $$$, and their influence on the value of Steem is bigger than all posters combined.

Thank you for your time, greetings!

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steevc (73) · 6 years ago

People are happy to get votes when others like what they do, but isn't a flag also a valid form of curation? Each of these is used to adjust the reward of a post. SFR go after those who are inflating rewards by various means on low quality posts. There are some really blatant ones like a case where they had dozens of comments with just a '.' that they self-voted. What value are they adding to Steemit?

There are some orcas and whales who do this too, but trying to deal with them could end up with our accounts getting flagged to nothing, as has happened many times. We try to steer minnows to a better course and this has worked in many cases. If all they see is vote abuse then they will just copy it. It's like fighting a wildfire, but I think it's worth doing.

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

Yeah, absolutely try to go after the blatant stuff, but since there are no guidelines there is no boundary either. Admiralbot came after a single line post of mine that I left in response to someone else's repeated shitposting. I got flagged, the other guy did not. Difference? SP. I didn't retaliate because I knew the intent behind the flag and left a comment in his wallet instead, stating the post was meant for someone else.

I also like to point out that the other guy is a SFR backer who is now involved in a flag war with yet another SFR backer. Are we to reward them for flagging each other? Giggles!

I don't think flags are always a valid curation tool. I don't want 2 days of work wiped out because some metal head hates country, or the other way around. They have the choice of watching some other video; I'm not making them watch anything. If I handled those standards I would dish out 30 flags every day.

Other than that, I left most of my concerns in my response to @anthonyadavisii. I'd just like to see a clear set of standards and a solid policy to follow. I think it's better for everyone.

Have a good one @steevc!

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steevc (73) · 6 years ago

SFR doesn't flag for different points of view, but others will. I've had loads of revenge flags and a threat from Mr BS. I've not seen much in the way of opinion pieces that I think deserve any flag unless they go overboard on buying votes. Disagreement on rewards is the first reason shown on the popup.

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

Ha ha, I've been bernied 2x. Once over stating an opinion against a filthy tactic that I thought unfair to new users, and a second time I started it because he was again going after every open post of another user.

Getting the revenge flags is a knee jerk reaction so I hope you don't get too many of them.

BTW, bernie's latest shit post is at some $560.00, but the comment section is getting colorful.
My advice? Let it be..... Lol!

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anthonyadavisii (70) · 6 years ago

Going to address this part and the rest when I have time.

This outfit goes after low SP accounts

Here's how it works. Consider playing a video game. If you're familiar wih Final Fantasy VII or any good RPG, you gotta grind your way up to the boss.

I can't count how many magic pots I had to destroy to grind the necessary XP before I was able to face the Emerald or Ruby Weapons.

It's the same way here. You don't go to defend Sephiroth straight out of Midgar. You work your way up.

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iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

Please stop trying to change trolls they are just here to eat your time!

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anthonyadavisii (70) · 6 years ago

::@iamstan slaps some sense into @anthonyadavisii::

Thanks I needed that. Lol it's almost always the same arguments, too!

Maybe we just need a master article or FAQ of objections and direct the trolls to that.

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

@anthonyadavisii You have the right to not address my concerns and dismiss me as a troll, but, I also have the right to not support steemflagrewards with my delegation.

Your suggestion of making a master article isn't a bad one, but I wouldn't start it with "Dear Trolls"

Have good one.

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anthonyadavisii (70) · 6 years ago

I was advised you were not being sincere with me. If you are and have genuine questions, feel free to ask.

I am trying to focus on development as I have been bombarded by trolls lately and feel I am doing my community a disservice by entertaining them.

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

I'll start off by saying I'm not against what you are trying to accomplish.

My concerns are these:
Correct interpretation of what is plagiarism: I don't want anyone flagged for posting a direct link to my videos as it would hurt traffic to them, costing me views and therefore ranking.

Language barriers: We will eventually deal with some 190+ languages on this platform. Flagging in and of itself doesn't send the message. I spent time explaining to non English speakers why they were being flagged and how to avoid it.

Identity: Since many do not use their real names in Steemit, it can be impossible to determine if someone is plagiarizing or merely re-posting their own work.

Any one starting their own SPP (shit post police) scares me as we are dealing with multiple aspects here. Of course there are those that will abuse the system, and some of those entities are huge, but you can't enforce unwritten rules and then enforce them against some and not others. You'll end up with a credibility problem.

Another aspect is investors; they might leave if their bottom line is hampered from reaching it's full potential for any reason. We need people that buy Steem or this platform will not survive.

If you read this far; thank you for your time. No need to answer or address these point by point, just be aware of them.

Sincerely, Onno.

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onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago (edited)

@iamstan I paid for my SP; are you saying I'm a troll for expressing my opinion? Alternative views not welcome? Hypocrite? I'm also a paying customer: Euro, pay someone, Dollar, pay someone, Bitcoin, pay someone, Steem. Steem has enough barriers as it is and I didn't come here to pay some bot and see posts with 150 votes and no comments.

I think I have a legitimate point of view; investors look for ROI, most of them couldn't care less for our content so long as it doesn't interfere with their objective, ..which is profit and not a recipe for Chicken Marsala.

Maybe I should have just flagged you for not having a good argument showing me why I'm wrong and resorting to name calling instead, but have a nice day anyway. Greetings @iamstan.

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sugarfix (55) · 6 years ago

Oh that is really quite a neat project you have there. Us noobies really should support you.

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steevc (73) · 6 years ago

It would be great to work with more vote sellers. I know we have managed to get several people blacklisted, but it's a never-ending job. Maybe they could coordinate to use a shared list.

I saw this person has said they are really sorry and won't do it again, but do they really think there's nothing wrong with what they were doing? Maybe they just see others doing something similar and assume they should do it too. After all there are few 'rules' about what you can do on Steemit.

The SFR rewards community are doing good work, but we can only deal with the small fry and bigger fish will do what they want with impunity as everyone is scared of them. I've said we have to fight the winnable wars.

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guiltyparties (70) · 6 years ago

Great job.

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