@contentjunkie who authored this beautiful rant and this new one : link happen to be among the most prolific vote buying profiteer.
Payments:
for these 6 days old posts:
https://steemit.com/gaming/@contentjunkie/diablo-3-s-darkening-of-tristram-anniversary-event-is-coming-back-for-2018-throughout-january-players-will-be-able-to-return-to
and
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@contentjunkie/trump-s-new-tax-bill-means-changes-ahead-for-u-s-bitcoiners
Here some sample of post promoted in the last days :
This flower picture buying 124$ vote at 5th day https://steemit.com/colorchallenge/@ekaterinka/73poqn-colorchallenge-sundaypurple
$410 on 5th day on a simple picture that say "Happy new year" (apparently it's a meme)
https://steemit.com/dmania/@michaelmorcos/happy-new-year-zg1hbmlh-tu5hu
Curious for more? Check by yourself the value of the comment promoted after 3.5 days vs the first 24h.
Rational :
About 99% of people buying votes on their post older than 3.5 days are doing it for pure profit by taking from the reward pool while enriching mainly early ninja miner and vote selling bot operators. Not allowing votes past 3.5 days will give us more time to detect and counter high votes purchased on very low quality content.
Reminder:
To everyone using paid promotion services; make sure the service you're using is GumpyCompliant by checking in the "Max Post Age" row is it's less than 3.5 days on @yabapmatt bottracker (link)
Unless votes sellers become GrumpyCompliant in the next 7 day @grumpycat will push the vote buying abuse ratio even closer to 100% by flagging the most legitimate use of post promotion at the worst possible time...
Negative curation isn't happening not because of a lack of time but because of a lack of balanced incentives between up and down votes.
The rules of Steem for downvotes have to improve to at least account for the lost opportunity cost of curation reward.
I like the idea but this will mostly piss-off the wrong people.
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Explanation for high upvote
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There is an additional reason why negative curation is not common: the misconceptualization of downvotes on Steemit as "flags." This was a originally bandaid to solve a minor problem but has created a much larger problem in the use and culture of Steem. The metaphorical dressing on a scratch has festered into a deep, infected wound.
Another conceptual deficiency that the UI could be changed to improve is that rewards before a post or comment is 7 days old are subject to change. This is essentially part of the user-network contract that someone enters when they make a post or comment on Steem, whether they know it or not. There is potential for the UI to better educate and inform users about this, implicitly and explicitly.
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Smart idea, downvote should cost less.
I am not milliner to "spend" 100$ on down voting someone.
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I absolutely support investors making money, but this idea that every action you take should make you instant rewards just is taking that idea too far.
The long-term value of your investment vs. being able to take the most money out is what each "investor" will have to face at some point.
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Smart idea, i completely agree with you,wrong work will down your rating
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I completely agree
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Yes I am agree. It will piss-off the wrong people.
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I think the formula should be adjusted to make it profitable to flag spam content. An idea could to be to have a separate flag and down-vote button? At minimum, it should be a break even for flagging so accounts don't lose their voting power when they flag.
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It will only be profitable to flag bad content when the community gets behind it. Not only whales should be rewarded for policing the block chain but users at all echelons of power. Consider checking out the Steem flag rewards project.
https://steemit.com/abuse/@steemflagrewards/steem-flag-rewards-pilot-fighting-blockchain-abuse
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The bitter truth.
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Yes i agree with you....nice idea
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Agreed. @steemflagrewards is an initiative to assuage that fact by giving back to good down voters; however, the inability to receive 100% SBD post rewards currently serves to limit that.
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@Grumpycat Steemit's liar, hypocrite & terrorist in chief.
Why don't you tell us about your profiteering? You claim to want more time to flag poor content yet you upvote the most flagrant of low quality content to enrich yourself.
Go on @Grumpycat tell us how you are just profiteering for the sake of our stakes.
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As you can see, speaking on burning topics makes ~6000 USD in 10 hours :)
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Good question - but no answer from @grumpycat ;)
@davidconstantine thats a part of the answer :D)
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i agree
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@grumpycat I don't want any trouble. I just want to be left alone to do my own thing.
So are you saying all vote bots are not compliant cause 3.5 days?
Once the rules you want to enforce go into effect if I make a sufficiently original post and use a prohbitied bot but do so within first 3.5 days for noncompliance detection do I risk a downvote from you or is that ok?
Are you forcing a total embargo of all bots that go beyond 3.5 days sorry if it is more clear above. I just really dont want any trouble from anyone. If anyone has a problem please let me know and I will try to comply subject to my values and conscience.
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@fatkat I've just made the change for @smartsteem and @smartmarket that we only allow posts that are 3.5 days old or less. So you don't have to worry there :)
Will make the announcement post later
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And thats why my friend loves @smartsteem & @smartmarket !!!
Selling votes, but allowing others to disagree. Balanced..... Allowing someone to buy a vote but still allowing others to disagree....
Thank you for fair practices.
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@grumpycat I was downvoted into oblivion on some 5 day old posts after being mistaken for a combatant in the recent war.
My reputation went down to 11. If I could not have bought votes to restore my original positive vote counts on my posts, my account would be all but trashed.
I fear your idea will give whales even more power to destroy dolphins and minnows.
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I saw you got flagged to hell and wondered wtf was going on!
If that happens again, let me know and I'll fix your rep. You have been nothing but friendly and helpful everywhere I have interacted with you.
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Thanks @dutch! I'm hoping with the war ended that it won't be an issue again, but I appreciate it a lot. The #gridcoin community has some amazing people.
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So should I promote my posts after 6 days for maximum profit??
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No, they buy votes after 6 days for two reasons:
The actual return on the upvote purchase is the same. Point is, raping the rewards pool secretly is not helping this platform.
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raping the rewards pool period is not helping this platform!
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Unfortunately, as long as vote bots have a positive ROI, then rewards pool rape is a given.
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It's a hard problem to solve but if we as a community can do it then steem will be worth a lot more, it's already good as I find a lot of good content but spam pollution does annoy me.
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I will change my bot @boostme settings soon.
It's time to take care about reward pool rape and stop it.
(Upvoted for visibility)
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I don't think it matters, as long as people can buy upvoted, steem won't be awesome platform where everyone can feel equal.
My friend just joined steem, and left after few weeks, because she writes for hours - and there is no visibility, while some shitty posts from pumpers, go up.
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just don't look for posts with $1000 payouts.... be yourself and make your own statistics. If everybody will just want to be the best or best paid, than most will fail. Nothing comes overnight. Fact!
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The same thing my friend said...
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Good on you for responding. I'm not sure how I feel about the way these changes are being argued, but I think keeping an eye on the way bidbots affect the platform is important, and noble of you to risk losing some bids to look out for the long term.
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I don't see a difference between buying on 6 day or 1 day.
it is all what rotten in steemit eco system, people shouldn't have the power to buy votes, because in current system that means other quality content that have less influential friends or millions in the pocket - won't be heared.
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Thank you, I do support the 3.5 day policy and am generally against abusive upvote purchase. I am just wondering : what is the rationale to limit the payout period to only 7 days? After all, the post will then still stay on the steem blockchain forever. If an author writes a quality travel post and someone discovers it three years later via Google, it is still valuable. However, at that point, the author does not get any reward anymore. Doesn't this policy even encourage to post only content with a very short value lifespan? Why would I spend hours writing quality posts for steem of I only get a share of the value it creates in the first 7 days?
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Maybe in the future some kind of SMT could be made as a way to give credit to those authors that make content with long lasting appeal. For now the reader can send a tip to the authors that never get recognition. You know? the ones that dont write about the flagging war.
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This is a great answer. I was also thinking that the way ReSteeming works could be tinkered with. If I find a post from a year ago that is really good (and I do from time to time), what use is there to resteem it? I'm better off linking to the stale article in one of my posts instead. I can always manually send someone steem of steem dollars as thanks for an old post, but that system never works. There needs to be a way to automatically tip someone from your own steem when upvoting an old post. You're right though, SMT's will provide ways to do this automatically.
I imagine though that no matter what changes are made, there is always going to be someone waiting to exploit them. I'm excited and scared for SMTs for this reason, especially in conjunction with the new update allowing for instant account creation. But there's also good too, because no grumpycat can ever downvote a post to take away a SMT reward (yet), or earn thousands of dollars a day by creating artificial drama between two accounts owned by (quite likely) the same person, or two people who know each other in real life. I feel like these "knight in shining armor, come to take out the abusers" posts take a page from PT Barnum's handbook, attracting thousands of upvotes for a manufactured battle.
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Apt! I need answers to this.
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Agree with you on this point Sir. There is so much good information out there which will remain relevant for a long time like various guides or just interesting articles. It is a shame that thanking the author by pressing up vote button is pointless after 7 days period.
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Because its a possibility that within the given 7 days period, some might still be able to find it and vote for it. It's for extended exposure of the content.
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@juvyjabian i would focus on the benefits and problems on having rewards for good quality posts even after 7 days maybe with no time limit. One reason fo it ? Because at the end of the day my article on how to do x will be found on google even after years and be useful. I would suggest we discuss it on a new page if you guys want to
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Thank you @digitalplayer you are of course absolutely right. Sorry to pull the discussion in another direction here. I opened a separate threat where we can discuss this issue: https://steemit.com/steem/@raci/does-the-7-day-payout-period-on-steem-still-make-sense
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@digitalplayer this is a very good point. The value of good content doesn't decline with the age of a post. I never understood why the steemit founders set a time limit on rewards for posts. As for the voting bots, I thinkthey were inevitable. If you have whales and even witnesses with high SP upvoting their own posts and those of other whales and taking the majority of the reward pool, it's natural that regular people would develop bots with votes for sale to try and get a little of the rewards pool. The question is: with all of the whale voting, self-votes and paid votes, how will we know if content is any good based on vote count alone? We won't.
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@ammonite You won twice in one comment with that one! Shucks I might just follow you for that comment!
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Thank you @maneki-neko
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You do know you are thanking someone that is actively taking thousands of dollars out of the reward pool for comments that say nothing more than "SBD correction" right?
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Thank you for the post! I did not even know about these rules. I'll know now. And repost for all my subscribers!
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Manipulation of the Steemit blockchain in ways other than it was intended to be utilized is an ongoing issue, and isn't exclusive.
Improvements to the infrastructure that fix exisiting issues are always welcome by users of the platform at many levels.
Here's a quote from the author @grumpycat:
A 3.5 day cutoff could be implemented quickly and easily and would solve many issues. Many social media users don't view content much older than this in most cases, therefore little is lost.
Striving to overcome the issues that plague Steemit is key; small tweeks to the beta stage that the platform is currently in are welcome, so long as they do not destroy what the community is trying to build and accomplish as a whole.
Thank you for your continued contributions to Steemit @grumpycat, and may 2018 bring great things.
-The Beached Whale-
Editor in Chief - The Anderson Report
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For most small users, content rarely get read after the first day. Hell, a lot of posts never get read again once they leave the new section.
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Taking thousands of dollars for the words "SBD correction" over and over and over is a valued contribution to you?
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And for today's post, at least you can buy upvotes?
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Your old posts are great.
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I'm a little jealous of people who can understand the technical side of Steemit. I just can't wrap my head around the game. That's what it looks like to me, like a difficult version of Dungeons and Dragons, but with money. I'm so lost, but at least I'm trying to comprehend it. Anyway, thank you for the post and keep on posting! One of these days it'll really start to click with me. For now, I simply enjoy writing and chatting with folks.
Much love and light,
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What part are you confused about @xmaas? If it is the actual monetary and rewards aspect, I recently summarised this for another user here. If you already understand SBD, SP and STEEM, there is not much more value for you in there.
What this debate is about, is users upvoting posts that are about to approach the 7 day point, where the author is rewarded. Authors are buying massive upvotes on these old posts, which has a positive ROI. They do this on old posts because:
The effect the purchased upvotes have is increased payout for the author buying the vote. This in turn reduces the Steem rewards pool, thus taking a small amount of money away from all other users on the platform.
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That cleared things up for me quite a bit. Thank you for this explanation. It really did help. It's not something I would do myself because it just doesn't seem right. If people want to see what I'm posting that's great, but if not that's ok too. The money is just a great bonus for me, I mean I need it, but there's not enough in my account yet to bother withdrawing. I mostly blog for my own amusement, sharing stories of my past and present. Some people enjoy them, others mostly ignore them. No big deal. I just enjoy the camaraderie on here. I would like to be able to have a couple thousand dollars to help my wife out with bills at some point. I won't stoop to buying votes though.
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@xmass - I experienced the same and try to catch the wave or at least seeing a big whale doing. :-)
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I have watched countless YouTube videos on the subject and it's still as though I'm listening to a foreign language without a translator. Gibberish! Lol! So I nod and try to pay attention and a few things stick here and there and I know that eventually something will click into place. I think one of my biggest problems is ...okay, two, two of my biggest problems is understanding the lingo the words and not being at all computer savvy. I am like a functioning illiterate when it comes to computers. Brought up in a home where the idea of computing was "Oh, it's just a fad, don't bother with it." So, yeah I'm a little behind the eight ball when it comes to knowing things. I only discovered Twitter about a year ago, or less. I knew it was there, but I had never done it. Learning and then forcing myself to learn everyday. Thank you for the kind response.
Much love and light,
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Pretty sure you'll find your way around.
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With good friends assisting, how can I fail? Right?
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You are right.
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@xmass - Don't worry our life is a life long learning. There are so many things for us to learn at each day. Cheers :-)
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😸❤️💡
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We all started the same way as you do. Me I'm a total ignorant, know nothing about cryptocurrency and blockchain. But with great conversation and the people around the community, I was able to understand a bit now.
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I'm not terribly worried at this point as I don't have much Steem or money built up yet, but when that changes I'll need some assistance figuring out how to access it, as for now whatever is in my account will just be safe and build upon itself over the next year or two.
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You will get there in no time :)
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You know what, I really like that idea! Post after 3.5 days shouldn’t buy votes for just profit taking.
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Thank you for sharing this information!
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We all want our community to sustain maybe for long term if not forever. A lot of things to work with and takes really much huge time. I guess we're starting to see things going toward its purpose. Its not all about profits. Its not all about success on Steemit. Troubles, problems or failures is there trying to do their part. But hey, those are (troubles,problems,failures) foundations for strong and sustainable community. Maybe sometimes we loss control because we want things to get done quickly. Patient is not in our side most of the time. @grumpycat is doing his or her part. Vote buyers/sellers are also doing their part. I am also doing my little part. But let us think sometimes and pause even a little time to discern, "Am I doing this correctly? Am I hurting anyone? Is this for myself only? Do I think only today and never mind what will happen in the next to come?"
We oftentimes forget that we're doing something too much. We forgot that moderation is still our friend to get things done properly.
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Because its a possibility that within the given 7 days period, some might still be able to find it and vote for it. It's for extended exposure of the content....................................................
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Very nice and best idea,,,,i follow your idea
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Interesting I am new here and I did not know that this could be done
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nice one
i love ur write up
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thanks
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Very interesting issue regarding using Bid Bot for upvote for our Steem Community. Thanks @grumpycat for sharing.
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Nice
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I have something else to propose. Leave the voting be available indefinitely as it is now, but also have an icon similar to flag/downvote that will be about locking a topic.
Aka, topics that have no value after a week or are abused for vote rewards will be locked if the locking icon is used and someone confirms the abuse (or lack of use after a week).
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Thats a must!
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I have very mixed feelings about this, I support freeing the network of abuse. As long as there is transparency and support from the network in general, and its not just flag wars, I actually see no problem.
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informative news
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Look who's buying votes via @checkthisout account, lol
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Thanks for sharing!
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Thank you @checkthisout for promoting this post together with https://steemit.com/budget/@jerrybanfield/introducing-steem-budget-proposals
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hm nice your idea
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9.53% @pushup from @checkthisout
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Nice post and list! I don't know there are other bots out there aside from @minnowbooster and @randowhale.
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This post has received a 26.35 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @checkthisout.
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Woah, didn't know things like this could happen
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that is really really amazing after 6 days he get upvotes on their post. He is a great man
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great post.thanks for sharing.
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thx for the info men :D
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This is the place where vote buying is legal. Let's enjoy it :)
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I think this is actually great @grumpycat, thanks for taking the initiative, I hope that you will warn people nicely on your first flag to them and not engage in any of the flag/ ego wars that you are bound to encounter after such bold moves.
Self promotion on a 6 day old post is just another form of abuse of the system, you are very correct. I really would like to take it one step further and see ALL the bots disappear. What good are they serving the community? I will admit I used bots previously on steemit, but the more I look at it the more I see it's really taking away from the overall power of what steemit could be.
First, what are we trying to show the newcomers to the site - just pay per view, or pay per reach rather, is not what will drive people here. Second, it makes all of steemit look scammy and uncouth. Third, it takes poop posts and makes them valuable or trending for no good reason, which also takes away from the site. Fourth, if the bots didn't exist, maybe there would be more effort put into actual human curation. Fifth, the bots may not have the best interests of steem in mind...
I keep hearing 'proof-of-brains' tossed around as steem's original and novel concept - so I ask you - where do robots fit into this equation?
Anyone who is interested I uploaded a video blog about why I am quitting bots literally 15 minutes ago.
Again, thanks Grumpy, I don't think it's fascism one bit, but using your flagging power to combat abuse of the system , fair and square.
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Do you think it's great that he is literally taking far more for far less from the reward pool than any of the vote buyers?
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Please elebarote on where my comment talks about post value or agreeing with @grumpycat.
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You said what he's doing is "great" so I asked about your thoughts on his more nefarious deeds.
Edit: I see there is a mixup in who I'm responding to. You didn't say he is doing great. You said "Thank you for your continued contributions to Steemit @grumpycat," to which I asked if you thought his self voting was a good contrinbution.
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My bad on the mixup - was replying from your comments page.
Anyway, I thank everyone for their contributions when commenting on posts as a common courtesy.
As for self-voting, we all do it right?:
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Yup we certainly all do it. There is even a checkbox for self voting your posts automatically.
What makes this incredibly hypocritical on @grumpycat's part though is that this rule is supposed to allow people more time to flag "very low quality content".
Yet he is literally spamming the lowest quality content possible. He upvotes his own comment replies that read "SBD correction" repeatedly.
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Unfortunately, many of the bigger whales have ulterior motives. Large sums of money bring out the worst in many people. Hopefully they realise the damage this does before it sinks the platform.
I also didn't believe you at first, but then found this stuff within 30 seconds...
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To be honest - no, no I dont. However one person voting on their own posts over and over is the behavior I see from many whales (and minnows too) - and I really hope this doesn't turn into the the flag wars of this month. I really shouldn't even respond to either side - I don't have a dog in this race, I am a minnow with everything to lose and nothing to gain.
As far as I can tell self upvoting is not in anyway restricted - and many whales have cleverly set this up for themselves with sockpuppet accounts as far as I can see. But in the terms of service it does prohibit bots from using the Services provided by steemit.com - Now I can understand that there are many different implications of what that could mean, and I am not sure what it means myself.
However I wanted to take the opportunity on this thread to say that I see bots as being ultimately detrimental to the future of steemit. Really - whats to stop the future of steemit from being 99% bot fueled, with anyone who wants any type of exposure having to pay some service for it. It almost seems that way now if you spend enough time on the hot or trending pages - you have to be a millionaire or pay a millionaire to play the steemit game. And maybe that is how it was set up, but if it's really going to be the internet 3.0 then we have to start looking for ways to evolve that into something else. I certainly dont think you are bad because you are doing the bot thing, really there are thousands of people using bots everyday, but Im really wondering how that will turn out in the long run? And I dont think its my right to tell grumpy how he gets to vote either. I simply want everyone to be able to at least be able to play the steem game without thinking they have to pay some service for it. Content, 'proof-of-brains', etc.
That is the reason I am here, to create and witness others creations. Not be slave to some bot.
Thank you for responding to my comment, sorry if my words here or above offended you, I simply see bots as, you know, being the OPPOSITE of 'proof of brain'.
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I have taken no offence and can understand your view point. I just take exception to one user with a shit load of stake coming in and unilaterally announcing new rules that will be enforced via terrorism. Then there is also the fact that this person is a hypocrite damaging the system on a scale far beyond anyone he is attempting to punish.
It's obvious this person is doing this to increase their own profits and not for the sake of Steem.
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sir please i really more of this
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It's like I miss that when they feel threatened they want to do these things, a part is good because it generates awareness for other people but also generates intrigue in another group
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being a newbie, I don't understand all of it, but seems like there's a lot many ways to game the system here in Steemit
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Hmnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, what's happening in here?so we who don't have nothing in steem whatever don't have hope right? This quite unfortunate.
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Thank you for Using #promo-steem tag, Promote steemit by inviting your friends and your family!
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Very nice post... Thanks for sharing this post.
https://steemit.com/my/@teenauk/hi-i-am-subhan-a-social-worker-to-resolve-problems-of-the-community
plz
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Why should one be allowed to buy votes in the first place?
Content should attract votes on its own.
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I use the bots a few mins after I posted my post because I want people to see my post and read it there is lot information in which I like to share with people if I don't do it and wait a few days nobody will read my post and get's the info I share.
Keep up the good work we need to fight the greed on steemit and make it more to a platform of great information.
LOVE&LIGHT
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Interesting
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Thank you for sharing dear Keep it up I upvote you and hope you also do same for me thanks
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I used to buy votes on the first day then I got flagged.
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I don’t understand what this is about and what are these bots?
I just upload poems and geo-political analysis in the hope that people will get something from it.
Am I missing a trick or something? Please advise...
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I've stop using paid promotional services I wasn't really getting anything with it, thanks for the posts tough I learn something about steemit everyday.
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There are many who do this and made a fortune on Steemit while we lost many good writers...sad
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This post has received gratitude of 10.18 % from @appreciator thanks to: @checkthisout.
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Thanks for sharing,i like it.
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You got a 53.72% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @checkthisout!
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posts that can be very outdoors, teach us that we can post the right, greeting steemit
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Hello Good planting looks interesting, although I have not had much time. I'm not sure how I feel about the way some changes are being discussed, but I think it's important to monitor how they affect or impact the STEEMIT platform.
Best regards
Do not forget to follow me
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To be honest the ammount of spam on the site and "wow great post m8" comments are bigger problem imo than people buying votes. If the content is good i don't really care how people profit for it.
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salam kenal master, posting a very extraordinary, very interesting deserve extraordinary appreciation, best regards friendship from me user aceh steem Indonesia, please give directions for us in order to manage steemit well and true
THANK YOU
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salam kenal master, posting a very extraordinary, very interesting deserve extraordinary appreciation, best regards friendship from me user aceh steem Indonesia, please give directions for us in order to manage steemit well and true
THANK YOU
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I think fighting spam posts making it to the top of the trending tags should be the top priority right now. I see some low quality posts draining the reward pool. I don't think late paid up-votes is as important as fighting the spam posts.
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This will also hurt so many accounts that are trying to advertise their high quality content.
I think there could be a better solution found to fight spammers buying up-votes for low quality content. I'm not sure what that solution might be, but alternatives should be considered.
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grumpycat!! Thank you, your Post.
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Love the cat, btw!
Much love and light,
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Um this is a common thing on the platform , not that would be a bad thing and there is no one to stop this .
But for sure things like this are happening not only here but anywhere under any circumstances .
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lol ...
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If the voting bot is not compliant but the users post is newer than 3.5 days will you still downvote them?
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Vote selling makes a hostile work environment, imagine if christmas bonuses had to be auctioned off.
Vote selling only guarantees that the haves will get more simply for already having while the have nots will struggle to acquire real gains.
Sp delegation by the largest accounts dilutes the chances for the bottom to matter in the math.
The largest accounts should abstain to allow more than 500 accounts to matter in the math.
If you got to buy your votes perhaps you should try something else.
If you cant build your audience one follower at a time perhaps you should try something else.
Ganging up, whether by buying votes or joining a chat group, disadvantages everybody else.
If you cant say things that resonate then perhaps steem is not for you.
Ive done ok, and im grumpy as hell.
If you really want to do something, gc, get us a sigmoid curve that approximates a 50mv sweet spot, or bring back the n2 and downvote any voting over 50mv, eh?
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Thanks for the info
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In the event that you got the chance to purchase your votes maybe you should take a stab at something unique.
In the event that you cannot fabricate your group of onlookers one supporter at any given moment maybe you should take a stab at something unique.
Ganging up, regardless of whether by purchasing votes or joining a visit gathering, burdens every other person.
In the event that you cannot state things that reverberate then maybe steem isn't for you.
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Smart idea !
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Many are still ignorant of how this platform works you know.
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All I want to see is quality content getting rewarded appropriately. However that can happen, I'll be all for it.
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Great Post. AirNet Hawk-Project - @exstyle = 06/01/2018 _AHP11 :
Reminder, GrumpyCompliance in 7 days + Look who's buying votes on his 6 days old posts.
https://steemit.com/@exstyle
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I don't why our people are always like this. Buying votes...hmmm
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great write up sir.
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follow me and like
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I think it's a good idea.
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I vote you, do you want to vote me. thank you?
https://busy.org/coffee/@tanisya/menikmati-secangkir-kopi-di-tengah-malam-eng-ind-0d0f95e858d4e
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Im not understand. Sorry om newbie
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Basically you can buy votes to increase promotion - but after a certain time frame (3.5 days in @grumpycat 's opinion) it is NOT to increase promotion , it's just to increase your revenue, which is simply vote buying for no other reason than to game the system and make (more) money.
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Shortsighted indeed. People who are buying their votes do not have faith in themselves. It doesn't seem like they're here to blog. They're not seeing a future.. they just want this money, so they'll come and fucking take it from everyone else.
This will sound crazy to most people here because I don't think many of them take this blogging thing seriously.
If I make x amount of money here in a year and some bigshot like Lorne Micheals wants to speak to me and offer a nice writing job, how can I refuse his low salary if I purchased what I'm worth as a writer. If you're good at what you do, Steemit can naturally pay more than many writing jobs. Lorne can pass me a number and I can laugh at it if it's unreasonable. He'd laugh at me if I bought my value. This is the business.
There doesn't seem to be any business sense here. People just want to say things and get paid.
*disclaimer. I'm not talking about the people who do give a shit and put their all into their work. I'm talking only about the bottomfeeders like contentjunkie who are just here to rape and pillage.
Those bought votes aren't even advertising. An advertiser comes to ME and pays ME. That entire narrative about exposure is a farce. People buying votes are not getting views. All that money for one or two days of so called exposure? These people are amateurs and that's why they cheat.
In my opinion grumpycat, you're not doing enough.
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So, @grumpycat, are you the anti-bidbot that was prophesied? I know you sell votes too but think I understand from a perspective of utility. Gotta fight fire with fire. I am in the process of starting a project to fight abuse through incentivization of good flags for Steemians at all levels. I hope that maybe you are willing to have a look and get behind this thing. We must work together to take Steem back from the profiteers.
Here's the pilot post of the project if you are interested.
https://steemit.com/abuse/@steemflagrewards/steem-flag-rewards-pilot-fighting-blockchain-abuse
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This boys who want to make money with other posts 😂😂
UPVOTE MY COMMENT PLEASE 😂😂😂
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All these are not necessary, people should just enjoy Steemit and rewards will com naturally afterall many of use has been Tweeting and using Facebook without any rewards.. I am new here, please follow me
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¿cual es tu problema con la compra de votos? ¿acaso steemit no es una red social libre? en la reglas esta muy claro el contenido que debes o no publicar. No entiendo porque personas tan ladilladas como tu hacen esto, segudo debes tener otras cuentas pagando por los mismos BOTS
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