Stopping @haejin Will Require A Combined Community Effort!

transisto (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

If you see so few users flagging @heajin maybe there are good reasons. Is everyone too lazy or scared of him?

Delegating to a bot will cost you 7 day of lost steempower when you remove delegation. For this reason I don't see this initiative as the most effective.

If you want to protect people doing bad investment following his predictions then you should make a notice on all his post and upvote it so it's the first comment people see.

You can count on support from whales to resolve unjustified flag wars, if you feel like @heajin post are more over-valued than the majority of Steem content then flag them and don't be scared of reprisals.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

Did you just say we can rely on whales to reverse unjustified flags?
What is the process for asking for assistance? Who have they helped?
Who are the whales who are offering support?

When people start rewarding "desired" behavior, that is when the behavior will change.
It starts with those with the most influence.

I also acknowledge you did publically support and upvote one of my flags, and I was actually impressed. If you want people to flag, do more of that.

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https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@haejin/bitcoin-gold-btg-price-needs-to-break-to-the-upside

transisto (74) · 7 years ago

I responded to that here https://steemit.com/abuse/@hendrix22/stopping-haejin-will-require-a-combined-community-effort#@transisto/re-hendrix22-re-transisto-re-hendrix22-stopping-haejin-will-require-a-combined-community-effort-20180220t155840033z

I witnessed and asked @heajin to not systematically censor users he has previous disagreement with.

I'm ready to offer him the same medicine if he start doing it again.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

So, you punished Haejin, that is great. If you do not reward the flaggers or at least protect them from damages, it seems unlikely that you will change anyone's behavior.

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This is what our stake looks like right now. If the large stake holders can't or will not protect it, it is only going to get worse.

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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frantik (36) · 7 years ago

I read all your comments, took for yourself a lot of useful information, thank you all to friends

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

I think a lot of people are scared of him. They don't want the account they have built up to get flagged. Delegating to such accounts may be a little safer, but if course its all traceable. I don't like to see people just taking. It harms steemit

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

I wonder if he'd go after everyone who delegated to an account that flags him. If there's enough of us then it would be too much work. I'll take the chance

awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

You know.. I delegated what little SP i can afford exactly because you took the risk. Now if he did wanna go all out flag, he'd had to waste his vp on both you and me. if enough people did it we can even go against the biggest abusers too.

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

It would be great to have 100 people delegating. Maybe that can happen. We don't even need a whale. I'm not attacking him directly as that's likely to bring retaliation

missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

Someone needs to create a cheaper account creation service. It costs 3 STEEM (plus delegation) to create an account, so a reasonable rate might be 3.25 STEEM. If anyone has any tutorials on how to develop apps for the steem blockchain then I'll create a cheaper method of creating an anonymous account.

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago (edited)

If anyone has any tutorials on how to develop an app for the steem blockchain I can do so, or else I can create accounts manually for 3.1 steem a piece (please get in touch before sending money via otr.io – otherwise I'll return the money)...

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haejin (88) · 7 years ago

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

Well, if that's the case, why did you downvote @lindsaybowes? I see no lies or racism there.

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

Looks like the meme's made him feel a bit self-consious about his icon.

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

We can do this with minimal effort. I don't care about losing some curation rewards for myself.

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thereaper1233 (3) · 7 years ago

I am with you always...this @haejin sucks.

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

Re-organize...

cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

Why don't Brendan use same anonymous delegation tehnique @steemlegion introduced? People delegating will avoid flags in that way.

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

To be honest, I don't know whole process of delegation because I never delegated or receive delegation. Just thought it can be done anonymously. Thanks for clarifying.

steevc (73) · 7 years ago

Delegating is not too hard. You can always get the sp back, but that takes a week to prevent voting with it twice. Its not anonymous, but I'll risk it

mulyadi95 (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

I am sure if we are together and help each other ,, surely we can solve this problem together ,, .. let's get up and fight ,, we must be ready in any condition ,,, never give up.!!!!

travelersmemoire (58) · 7 years ago

Personally I like this solution the best. If I see something off or wrong I’ll comment rather than flag. With flagging it’s just too easy to spread negativity and start flag wars. I’d much rather have a conversation and let people judge both sides. Sometimes I’ll get no response, sometimes I’ll be flagged(not calling anyone out but some whales do this routinely), and sometimes I’ll get a dialogue.

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thereaper1233 (3) · 7 years ago

No @haejin and his followers thinks himself of a freight train...huh what a joke... WE WILL MAKE HIM EVEN WORSE THAN A CART PULLED BY A DONKEY... I AM WITH YOU @hendrix22
So much unnecessary ego in this evil haejin

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frantik (36) · 7 years ago

I like how you argue, after reading your topic of conversation, I made conclusions about the fact that you are here all good people, thank you very much

jaredcwillis (60) · 7 years ago

I'm sorry, but when this happened last time and I got involved, there were no whales to back me up except for @patrice and @r0nd0n. It took a couple weeks to get back up and running again after getting downvoted by rancho and haejin. So, don't give us that crap. The whales were nowhere to be seen and that's why we're back here again seeing the same thing. Give me a break.

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rose98734 (64) · 7 years ago

I think people are scared of getting flags themselves.

I saw someone else say that it's more productive to just vote for someone else, to shift the percentages. So that's what I'm doing.

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's funny you are saying anything about reward pool rape. You are upvoting you own comments with 80$ upvote and also upvoting your second account @zer0hedge for copy/paste articles from ZeroHedge. Ammount of cognitive dissonance on Steemit is staggering!

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charitybot (63) · 7 years ago

It's all about perception if you happen to be one of the self or circle-voters, throwing some mud at the other guys is advantageous in a closed system with a fixed reward pool.

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's more about protecting his reward pool rape then his honest desire to protect reward pool. If @transisto really cared about reward pool, he wouldn't abuse it himself.

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

Transisto is probably a fraud. Unfortunately we have haejin to deal with first.

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

Yes, there are only a few flagging because majority is scared. He has already ruined many people's accounts and reps and flagged all of their posts to $0.00 for voicing opinons.

People disagree with the rewards of his posts. You are well aware of haejin's 10-12 posts per day reaching an easy $350 per post every time.

I don't think anyone is against his predictions in the sense that anyone is able to use common sense and choose if they invest or not based on his predictions.

I have not seen any whales helping recover these people's accounts for flagging him. Perhaps this is not an unjustified flag war? I have sacrificed my entire blog and all earnings for six weeks to try and lower the rewards. I am not scared of the consequences as I know what they are.

People are scared though so I think if a lot of users delegate a small portion of their Steem power to one of these accounts then the rewards can be lower substantially. I also feel that it would be a more organized approach at flagging him as it will be a scheduled downvote of 10 posts every evening.

I feel that if enough people make the delegation's he will be unable to flag every user that delegated down to $0.00 as he would have to use all of his power flagging instead of upvoting himself.

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yes, there are only a few flagging because majority is scared. He has already ruined many people's accounts and reps and flagged all of their posts to $0.00 for voicing opinons.

Unfortunately account rep is a very easily manipulated metric, it doesn't mean much to me though. I think the only thing that matters about rep from the point of view of Steemit is when it reach 0. I don't think @Heajin would go as far as flagging a rep below 0. I think that would require about 5 full strength flag with his rep on a 25 rep account.

People who get flagged for voicing their opinion can always re-post the same thing right after. Getting flagged by him or flagging his post has the same outcome except that it's being initiated by him. If I wanted to disagree on @heajin reward I would prefer being flagged by him for 7 day straight than to delegate to a bot that will eventually cost me a full 7 day of lost SP anyway.

I saw that you reached to me on Discord, please let me know there if you see flags from @heajin that steps out of his boundaries.

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haejin (88) · 7 years ago (edited)

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hello @haejin,

I'm glad that you decided to come here and contribute to this since it's about you. I would like to make it very clear that I have not once made any racist remarks or memes about you or your KR community.

I did create some memes and called you a "Donkey" many times. The word Donkey I chose because Donkeys are useless and stubborn animals and also considered an ass.

I'm am unsure how you being a stubborn ass is racist. If in anyway that is racist then I apologize for that. I also would like to state that I have stopped the memes over a week ago and currently only just flag you.

Your excessive posts and tremendously large upvotes to yourself as well as your organized ranchorelaxo upvote are frowned upon by the entire community.

Once again you have accused me of crying about being flagged and that your downvotes are only reactionary to my flags. So once again I will explain to that my flags are only reactionary to your excessive posting and high rewards.

I have made it very known to the entire platform that I started 2 additional accounts to flag you with. I made a post requesting to have a civil discussion with you and you answered with a flag.

As I previously mentioned to you we as a platform feel that 4-5 posts per day would be sufficient.

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

Behaviour
Donkeys have a notorious reputation for stubbornness, but this has been attributed to a much stronger sense of self-preservation than exhibited by horses.[24] Likely based on a stronger prey instinct and a weaker connection with humans, it is considerably more difficult to force or frighten a donkey into doing something it perceives to be dangerous for whatever reason. Once a person has earned their confidence they can be willing and companionable partners and very dependable in work.[25]

Although formal studies of their behaviour and cognition are rather limited, donkeys appear to be quite intelligent, cautious, friendly, playful, and eager to learn.[26]"

-Wikipedia

Donkeys are far from being useless.

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

It's not racism. It's #ARTivism.

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

That is so funny. A downward chart would have been even more appropriate.

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cathi-xx (65) · 7 years ago

Practically everything on the trending page is overvalued, everyday. So, why pick on one person?

I'm assuming that Haejin invested real money into this platform, so. naturally he wishes that investment to be profitable.

There was another whale who was hounded for self-voting, and as a result he powered down and left the site. How does it help steemit if investors leave? The whale was not powering down, he was merely building up his steem power as a hedge against falling prices, but because of the dolphins, he powered down completely and took his profit with him.

Ironically, many of the dolphins who hounded him have never invested a penny in Steemit, but power down constantly to support their real life. This whale didn't need to power down as he was already wealthy in his RL. Obviously, the dolphins wanted him gone so that their payouts would increase, so that they had more fiat to spend.

Personally, I think that your crusade against Haejin is misguided because you have been incited to attack one person; by the people who would rather that you never figure out what they are up to.

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

I am against "one person" haejin because he posts 10-12 posts a day.

You assuming he invested real money shows me that you took zero time to investigate and educate yourself on the situation before creating a lengthy comment of mumble jumble.

The money he uses to self vote is through a 300k plus delegation from another user ranchorelaxo.

Ranchorelaxo also comes with an additional 1 million SP upvote to all of haejin's 10-12 posts per day with 100% upvotes.

Thank you for voicing your opinion on what you feel is a misguided crusade.

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cathi-xx (65) · 7 years ago

So ranchorelexo invested real money and he wishes the profit on his investment to go to Haejin. What difference does the name of the investor make to the point that I was making? Of course you missed the point because that's what crusaders do.

Waste your time on your misguided crusade because you don't understand that people expect a return on their investment, particularly when the investment is so high risk.

cathi-xx (65) · 7 years ago

I should have said before that I actually think that you are very brave and your intentions are admirable; I'm just disagreeing with your focus.

Actually, investor self-voting could be seen as a vote of no confidence in the platform and I agree with you that it does hinder the growth of the platform, but, I think, not nearly as much as the group of dolphins and whales who earn enough to constantly power down and live the high-life, despite having invested little of their own cash into the platform. The early BTC miners didn't live the high life and/or hoard 50,000+ BTC they gave BTC away and sold it for pennies, and the smart ones probably saved a few thousand not a few hundred thousand!
Too many people on this site are blinded by greed, while they throw crumbs at minnows and pat themselves on the back and then point the finger at single people like haejin, who are merely a symptom of the underlying sickness that they have caused.

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bitfiend (59) · 7 years ago

I think that you are unjustly pulling the race card. Race has nothing to do with what you're doing or why people are flagging you. You know what you're doing.

The pictures aren't shitting on your head because it's not your head.

I don't think that your reactionary flags are because of race. I think that the race card is your scapegoat.

I'm also not sure how you see every single donkey pic as racist, but then again, I've never heard of orientals being referred to as donkeys. Maybe I've missed this one.

Either way I think it's just a way to deflect the situation.

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twernli (40) · 7 years ago

@Haejin, you are awesome. I hope you can ignore the haters, and keep letting us know how we can help you. Thanks for your awesome TA.

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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thereaper1233 (3) · 7 years ago

Here's mine recently demolished by this mad elephant @haejin
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thereaper1233/haejin-destroyed-my-steemit-account-evil-monster
He will not get away with this.

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cryptoj215 (42) · 7 years ago

I find this hilarious!!! How did this even start???

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

The delegate to bot element of this takes away the anonymity. It is far better (to keep a sense of decentralization) for everyone to flag him individually. But really we should buy a large amount of steem power delegations, swell our power for a week or so and flag @haejin until he comes round to the negotiating table. https://steemit.com/flagthedonkey/@missioncontrol/plan-of-action

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sircork (64) · 7 years ago

Hear hear! Well stated Mr. T!

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dexterdev (62) · 7 years ago

@hendrix22 : To be honest, the idea is great, but the concept of SP delegation is confusing to newbies like me. Can you give me a link which explains what does SP delegation means in a simple way. Thank you. :)

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https://steemit.com/howto/@awesomianist/how-to-delegate-steem-power-the-truly-easy-way-with-steembottracker-delegation-manager

awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

You can read all about it in my latest post. Not only I explained as simple as I can. I even give you a simple tutorial on how to do it. Comment if you have anymore questions!

https://steemit.com/delegating/@jackmiller/how-to-delegate-steem-power-the-easy-way

lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

"How to delegate Steem power the easy way"

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

Try steemconnect.com/sign

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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haejin (88) · 7 years ago

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

Of course I sent him and his services Steem Power. It's a cause I really believe in. By delegating I can save my vote power for all of the upvoting I do, and get to help put rewards back at the same time.

Many more of the good folks on the Steem Blockchain will be too. The people that believe in the long term relationships we are building together here. The dreams we have for our futures together.

You won't be able to flag everyone, soon there will be too many and you will have 0% vote power and have to try and bring rancho in, which will cut into your profits again. I gladly sacrifice my blog for this.

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awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Now obviously the concern is "what if im found coordinating a downvote effort against this guy and he decides to put me in the crossfire?"

So far i haven't see anyone from the comments delegating anything to the above account. "am I putting myself at risk for doing this? will my post earning potential be wiped out?" These are all the fears (understandable) when looking to go against someone has top 10 most SP in the whole of Steem blockchain.

Nevertheless, I agree, the community needs to get something done. I'm no whale or dolphin. But to show everyone in the below comments that it's possible to join the effort, I'll delegate 10 steem power as a minnow to each @flagthedonkey and @weflaghaejin.

Those here in the comments who got an upvote from @hendrix22 by saying they "support" this. I challenge you to prove it.

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

I've lent my support to this. If we can get hundreds of people to delegate a few steem then we have a powerful weapon to deal with such greed. We're each not losing much in curation rewards

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awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

I'm definitely behind this.

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wisewoof (52) · 7 years ago

Me too not that I have a heck of a lot to delegate

lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

exactly, it's tiring manual work to flag 1000 minnows who delegates 10 SP each. plus as you said since they are basically self-voting any SP is spent falgging others is less $$ for them.

It's an uphill battle though. Most minnows might not know how to delegate SP, and those who knows still needs convincing to get pass the fear against the titan.

lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

Hahahaha im just about to make a tutorial post on delegating SP with steembottracker tool!!

wisewoof (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

Count me in! My first delegation of 50sp to @flagthedonkey. Quite the martyrdom to be on the forefront of this. Now that he is flagging Lyndsay too I am MAD! She uses her votes and time to HELP PEOPLE. This guy clearly does not give a damn about Steemit or anyone but his greedy self. It's a little unnerving to participate but I love Steemit and I want to see it succeed. Gotta stand up for what's right.

On another note - This post is a good indicator of who supports steemit and I'm taking note of all the people who are participating, these are the kind of people I'd like to interact with.

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

You are awesome!!! Every little bit helps and 50 SP is good amount. Thank you so much for realizing that damages that haejin and his team are doing to this platform. :)

On your other note: This is where we all will find our true tribe!

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arthur.grafo (69) · 7 years ago

Just as a question, I'm not asking to show I delegated (as much as I can). I looked to see at the donkey wallet if my contribution was recieved, but did not see anything that shows I've delegated. Have you somehow stopped the History showing?

Next, as I think many others will also not know, and we should know, if we are joining you. I thought that if you have earned, for example, $10 in a post, for 6 days it can be flagged and if the voting power of the flagger is $10 or more, your payout goes to zero.

What I find confusing is how it is that the Rep goes down. How is it some have gone down to zero in rep?

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

Hello @arthur.grafo your delegation was received. Delegations do not show up in the Steemit wallet. The history has not been stopped it's just not how it works. Please go to https://steemd.com/@flagthedonkey to find the information you are looking for.

Due to haejin's rep and amount of vests he can lower a users with a small rep very easily. Haejin has flagged some of the users with rep 25 to zero very easily.

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dillonford (56) · 7 years ago

I’ve been doing what I can brotha! Honestly the worst part of watching his account and flagging hm recently is seeing how he doesn’t acknowledge a single comment on his posts whether they are his own fake accounts or Fellow Steemians...It is truly just a waste of Steem Power and waist of effort for new Steemians trying to support somebody! Reading his comments from the past days is 98 percent him defending himself and nothing further...I’ll continue to flag his posts, resteem, and follow any Steemians who supports the same vision Hendrix has!

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

Thanks Sweet D <3 <3 <3 I saw all your Love!!

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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tosinsmith (34) · 7 years ago

Real one for sure

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joeblack1 (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

100 SP.....delegated.....to @flagthedonkey
(to use as you see fit)
as a big thank you!
for your time and effort.
:-)

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

Thank you so much buddy! All the 100 SP's will add up beautifully. Thank you for caring about your platform!

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eonwarped (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Enough is enough. Time to delegate.

You can use excess VP in selling the vote and exchanging for more SP for those accounts also.

Also my tool of choice is this one : https://steembottracker.com/delegation.html

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

He's one of those who just takes and bullies others. I'd rather see good people getting a better share of the rewards. A small delegation by hundreds of people is enough to deal with it

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bluewinter (57) · 7 years ago

Abusing is not tolerate on Steemit!

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kryptonaut (57) · 7 years ago

I agree that Haejin is ultimately hurting the platform. Thank you for defending it. Upvoted and resteemed!

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awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

You can delegate just 10SP to the above accounts to do your part. if enough people delegate to it it might get the job done.

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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kryptonaut (57) · 7 years ago

Thank you for your reply. I felt I had to take a side and it was obvious which one to take. I wrote a post a few weeks ago for awareness. Hopefully more people will understand that while the rules are not optimal and allows for this sort of behavior, that doesn't mean it be done anyway. It's sick, but at the same time this sort of behavior should be expected given how the platform is set up. Haejin needs to be stopped but I think it is more critical that the platform is tweaked. I can't understand how this goes issue goes unnoticed and not addressed. Baffling.

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tryskele (64) · 7 years ago

It hasn't gone unnoticed. @berniesanders and @themarkymark have been after him for a while now. They have tried to talk to him. His response is along the lines of I'm still making tons of money and you can't stop me.

I believe he thinks he's unstoppable. If he gets banned he has other accounts he can fall back on. With the amount of downvoting I hear he gets I'm surprised that he gets anything, but the records show otherwise.

If the constant downvoting and attempts to talk to him aren't working then what is the next course of action? (Yes I am still really new to this) Do we all start an all out campaign posting war ??

I resteem anytime anyone does a post like this, since you all have been around longer and know exactly what the issue is. I totally get all the bogus accounts and upvoting himself essentially and the fact his content is junk.

kryptonaut (57) · 7 years ago

I'm aware of bernie and markymark, but what about a word from steemit core team or our elected witnesses?

i doubt that the majority of active steemit users are unaware of the problem, by now. however, the people that can actually push to make platform changes haven't done anything.

the large issue is how to get suggestions heard and considered overall. i see weekly "how to make steemit better" posts but they get written and fall into the ether abyss. the fact that this issue hasn't been addressed by now is baffling.

awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

Steemit Inc will not interfere with this because it's not an issue that warrants their action. (attention yes, I can bet they are watching VERY closely).

The best course of action is the community itself rising up to the pitchforks and make a statement. And this is one of the better ways to do it. Since haejin is very clear that he's here to rape the reward pool.

Just a simple 10SP delegation is enough to make a point.

lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago (edited)

You can buy steem power delegations on blocktrades.us. What we need to do, is go for a co-ordinated week of flagging, draining every single post and comment of his to 0, and knock several points of his reputation. Once that has happened he will have no choice but to come around and talk.

I have laid out a more detailed plan here: https://steemit.com/flagthedonkey/@missioncontrol/plan-of-action
#flagthedonkey

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thewidowmaker (42) · 7 years ago

Just flagged him! Honestly, though, I would like to know something about the ZCL fork if he is writing about BTC.
Either way, I felt like I just dropped off his daughter in a shopping cart after a Delta toga party!

Okay.... That is an 'Animal House' reference. It sounded bad for those that aren't old enough.

Again.... Animal House is movie from the 80s about a fraternity house with John Belushi and it is quite amusing... Somewhat racist, sexist, anti-social and - Oh Boy. Never mind...

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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thewidowmaker (42) · 7 years ago

If you're too young for Animal House then I am way too old for STEEMIT... and cryptocurrencies... and maybe the internet and I'm 40(ish).

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

Bahahaha I just meant that it came out in 1978 and I was born in 85'

I don't think I've seen it though actually. I think I'm going to have to watch because of all this though

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bluehorseshoe (61) · 7 years ago

You are correct sir!

UPvoted and reteemed.

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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jason7282 (61) · 7 years ago

Can't do much with my current Steem Power, little by little I guess. The longer I'm in Steemit the more intense it seems. First it started off with berniesanders vs Haejin

awesomianist (64) · 7 years ago

just 1 SP will do it! it's about raising the pitchforks (for good reasons) even if its a small pitchfork.

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

You can do a lot still! Your help matters and is appreciated. Please just spread the word to your friends that these accounts exist and are in need of delegations. @flagthedonkey and @weflaghaejin

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

Looks like the problem was solved for us by someone else though.

fedrotto (25) · 7 years ago

Unity has the ultimate power, specially in decentralized ecosystem.

fedrotto (25) · 7 years ago

I appreciate your efforts. I'm new here and trying to understand whats happening in this "Crypto Wonderland".

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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artzanolino (64) · 7 years ago

I agree it's terrible how the reward pool is getting raped by certain accountss... I feel that my 74 SP is still way to low to make a difference though...

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

It definitely is not. Please consider delegating 1 SP to one of the accounts to show your support.

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

Delegating to steemcleaners will probably help clean up steemit. Or else to minnowsupport?

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jesusbatallar (58) · 7 years ago

I'm fucking IN. Let's stop haejin the bitch

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

Awesome Dude!

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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homalinadir (57) · 7 years ago

Upvoted and resteemed! Keep up the good fight!

--Homa

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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bbilgin (43) · 7 years ago

First of all, thank you for your efforts. I appreciate it!

But how much does that user drain from the system in a given year? The reward that's paid to the authors and curators in a year amounts to $65 Million USD a year! What's the share of that user in that reward?

How much of that reward is paid to the posts and curators that didn't deserve it in the first place?

Suppose that we eliminate that user. What's going to happen then? Will the abuse problem finish?

The ROI of abuse is the same if you have a huge stake or a minimum stake. What's the difference between a person stealing a million USD and hundred thousand people stealing ten USD?

I doubt that we can fight the abuse by focusing on single cases.

The only way we can prevent the abuse is to get rid of the reward system for authors and curators and to introduce the tipping system for posts and authors. Otherwise, with this scale of cash bleeding, the Steemit ecosystem won't last long.

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taddeus (47) · 7 years ago

@bbilgin someone calculated it (i'm terrible at remembering/finding/linking such things) and it's like 4% of the total reward pool going to Haejin daily. for a platform with tens or hundreds of thousands of active users, that's a pretty ridiculous proportion for one guy.

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bbilgin (43) · 7 years ago

Do you mean 4% in USD terms or Steem terms? Someone calculated that in a comment to my post Steemit Reward Pool Abuse, Myth or Fact? He found it amounted to 25% annual ROI in Steem terms. That is still a good deal of money, if Steem manages not to lose its value against USD.

4% daily would be an insane ROI especially if you consider the near 0% interest rates nowadays. I can only imagine that happening in USD terms when Steem is making a rally. Otherwise, it doesn't seem possible or sustainable to me.

By the way, as I said above, the ROI is the same for accounts of all sizes. Smaller accounts are especially advantageous, because no one cares about them.

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taddeus (47) · 7 years ago

No, I mean that out of all of the rewards received by all users on Steemit daily, haejin gets 4% of it. Doesn’t matter the value, there’s a set amount available on the blockchain ‘being printed’ and he is taking 4% of it all.

In other words, if there were 25 other users receiving the same daily rewards haejin gets, nobody else would get ANY. That’s why it’s a problem.

I don’t even care if he posted ten posts in a day and pulled in that much, if he only did it once a week. But it’s every.single.day. He singlehandedly milks this cow for 1/25 if it’s total potential output.

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bbilgin (43) · 7 years ago

You're right. I've completely misread your comment. I'm sorry for that.

Actually, I was looking for stats like that, so thank you for that.

I'm looking for reward distribution stats. Stats like percentage of the pool to each level of Steem Power ownership.

My gut feeling says that abuse is widespread at all levels.

What's the total percentage of the reward pool that is abused?

No one knows the answer to that question. Is it 10%? Is it 50%? Is it 90%?

My hunch is that it is closer to 100% than it is closer to 0%. Or in other words more than 50%.

That's the feeling I get when I look at the trending tab. The signal to noise ratio there is 1 to 100 for me.

If we assume that the abuse ratio is 50% on Steemit, by eliminating that user, we'll eliminate only 8% of the problem. The other 92% will remain.

If that 92% consists of thousands of small accounts, that would be even harder to deal with.

That's why I don't think we can eliminate the reward pool abuse problem by focusing on few people only. The system has to be changed completely.

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bitfiend (59) · 7 years ago

I've tried to reason with him and mostly his followers and someone that claims to run his site as well. I'm already getting retaliatory flags from one of haejins followers whos account was destroyed by bernie.

It sucks that I can't freely delegate my SP to this cause in fear that I'd have my account ruined. Even talking about it causes fear of having my reputation ruined.

I tried creating a new free account but I never got a confirmation email and can't say I have money to create a new one. I will see what I can do about helping.

I watched your declaration of intent video. It's truly a shame that this guy is unwilling to talk it out. There are basically three flag wars happening right now and the three people are unwilling to talk or have any kind of discussion.

I find it ridiculous that they claim steemit is such a small part of their 'empire' yet they take 40 grand a week in the name of "everyone else is abusing the platform too".

Of course, they will say I'm taking it out of context, but in essence it's what he's doing.

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

Looks like someone has simply stepped in for us, and sorted out haejin problem. But that's not it, we've still got more spammers coming our way. We need to remain vigilant.

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defango (64) · 7 years ago

You have my FLAG

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jackie2017 (44) · 7 years ago

I find this interesting because I posted a comment on berniesanders blog and two days after I got a 100% downvote. When I checked the link, the person had a rating of 2 and said he had downvoted all the people who comment on bernies pages because he destroyed his account and he has nothing to lose and he's going to downvoted all account. I think that was the craziest thing I had seen. I am not sure what is happening but the community will hurt by all this behavoir. thanks for sharing.

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cryptocartograph (54) · 7 years ago

I thought people with low reputation score aren’t able to influence with their flags anymore? Was this feature removed?

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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taurus1983 (55) · 7 years ago

Hi @hendrix22, I've resteemed this post.

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arthur.grafo (69) · 7 years ago

Okay, done it - hope it helps

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kukup (53) · 7 years ago

It's really discouraging to see all these steemit old birds abusing the system, but as newbies like me, no SP no SBD no nothing, can only sit back and watch(the most i resteem for other friends to know this campaign). Or just turn back to use FB instead, as felt so unfair .

sircork (64) · 7 years ago

Nah, don't go back to wastebook. This shit comes and goes here like the weather. In the last year its a procession of these nimnods and wars. Just do your OWN thing, ignore it all, and for the most part if you don't get engaged, you won't end up married to the mob.

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kukup (53) · 7 years ago

thanks your advise, will definitely consider this point

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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tylerjmusicc (28) · 7 years ago

I read your post but can you explain more of what he's doing wrong?

thabiggdogg (56) · 7 years ago

Go look at my blog too. He took me from REP 48 to REP -2 in 5 mins.

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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tylerjmusicc (28) · 7 years ago

Yeah no problem

frantik (36) · 7 years ago

I like how you argue, after reading your topic of conversation, I made conclusions about the fact that you are here all good people, thank you very much

riazsheikh (44) · 7 years ago

There are many good wishes for you to see this post for you. You have promoted through steem.great post sir. upvote done

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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fitnessgoals (0) · 7 years ago

frantik (36) · 7 years ago

thank you for your voice, I am very pleased

septian (25) · 7 years ago

together we have power

mornevd (7) · 7 years ago

haejin is a tyrant

mulyadi95 (43) · 7 years ago

I am sure if we are together and help each other ,, surely we can solve this problem together ,, .. let's get up and fight ,, we must be ready in any condition ,,, never give up.

adnan840 (15) · 7 years ago

I haven't come across most of the @haejin posts but if that is the true matter then we will definitely boycott him.it is a platform where we earn for ourself and at the same time have to help others as well.

narakupallottini (43) · 7 years ago

Another solution is that many of us must work together to benefit, I think that if we all organize ourselves we can give effective solutions everything will work out well, we must also think about the new users that are entering this wonderful platform, fortunately I am in a small group and we we help to emerge on the platform. We know that there are multiple accounts in steemit, but if you report and nobody does anything, it is a problem too, but in case there are no solutions, one way to find alternatives is to help, help the one who is starting, even those who have time on the platform and still have doubts, then there you should help and you will get many benefits and you will gain much more, because I have seen that in a few people, it is for all this that we do add ourselves seriously, this will work successfully.

akilasultana373 (61) · 7 years ago

Unity is strength. We all know it. If we have the power then we can make it possible from impossible.

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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yassinof (51) · 7 years ago

i do really have faith in this gorgeous community, hope it can spread awarness amoung people. all the best.

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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rojib (37) · 7 years ago (edited)

You are right, but the public never thinks of them.............@hendrix22

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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rojib (37) · 7 years ago

thank you sir..............

chelinxar1 (32) · 7 years ago

how do you delegate steem? blocktrades doesnt allow to buy more steem dellegation.

lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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chelinxar1 (32) · 7 years ago

thank you! I´ll take a look.

manraman (45) · 7 years ago

I agree with this statement

siman25 (43) · 7 years ago

Keren

aliputa (43) · 7 years ago

Bek meuayang ngon sialy puta

joeldnut (50) · 7 years ago

Good idea

afridayanti (50) · 7 years ago

Good posst boss

azrilyansyah (30) · 7 years ago

Mauuuu jugaa

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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rhom82 (47) · 7 years ago

tienes toda la razon.. el pueblo unido es el que tiene el poder.

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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cldgrf (39) · 7 years ago

Whats wrong with him?

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mafi001 (43) · 7 years ago

that's very helpful post!!
thank you..

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frantik (36) · 7 years ago

I like your post, thank you friends for such great information.

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thesisw07 (47) · 7 years ago

Very helpful

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zul28 (43) · 7 years ago

Bereh that

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carolineschell (66) · 7 years ago

This is really interesting, I didn't know this story.... I will observe that now;-)!
Thank you for the informations, and for your upvote that you gave me for my sculpture:-D

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jamalsw (44) · 7 years ago

Mantap

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guchtere (65) · 7 years ago

Upvoted en resteemed.

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outtheshellvlog (61) · 7 years ago

I'm not putting my 501(c)3 non profit into some flag war. Not worth it. There's better things to spend the resources on that don't involve trying to take on someone in a mass flagging campaign, which I also see as abuse. This is turning into old school YouTube all over again. Funny how that works.

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aban (47) · 7 years ago

Peu maksud nyan?

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dolah75 (44) · 7 years ago

Really nice post

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pikri212 (44) · 7 years ago

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arabarea (41) · 7 years ago

Que guerra tan tonta, para una plataforma hipócrita en la que la gran mayoría de las publicaciones se votan sin leer, para acumular dinero, que al final es lo que os importa a todos.

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alfinnaja (47) · 7 years ago

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Together we can and together we win

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sublimate (48) · 7 years ago

Why not something like instead of ranchorelaxo voting 10 post per day of haejin, voting just 5, and then using the other 5 votes to help other steemians?

he is rank #23 in the ranking of the most powerful votes

I am just a newbie, i barely know 5% of what i need to know from steemit, but i believe that the principles of creating and sharing are the ones that would help us grow as a whole and not just making a killing out of others

instead of fighting each other, lets start to love each other

Peace

@sublimate

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drotto (48) · 7 years ago

This post has received a 1.42 % upvote from @drotto thanks to: @thabiggdogg.

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cryptojmagic (35) · 7 years ago

Personally I think you guys are going about this in the wrong way. I personally don't care about rewards or up votes etc. Like it or not Haejin's analysis are very accurate. I have gone back many months and his information has made others thousands of dollars. I joined steemit because of him and I am sure most of his followers did likewise. His following will only get bigger as word spreads. My suggestion is you try and reach an agreement. His followers don't care about the few dollars you get from votes as they can make that in 5 minutes from his information. I have no idea what you can do to stop this battle but it seems like you guys are fighting over cents and he will end up with the dollars. By highlighting this the way you are you are advertising him and will backfire by making him even bigger. This is not a smart move on your behalf with very little thought process behind it.
I do follow Haejin and will continue to do so as I have made real money from his advice.

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taddeus (47) · 7 years ago

Actually, his analysis is total BS and if you followed his advice through January this year you would have lost big time. Yeah he said stuff would noon in 2017 and it did. Uhhh everything did. Can’t miss! January? Called a bunch of stuff about to go up. Did it go up? Nope!

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zozoma (42) · 7 years ago

Apam mandum

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zemmysen (42) · 7 years ago

Apom mandum

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postpromoter (63) · 7 years ago

You got a 13.49% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @hendrix22!

Want to promote your posts too? Check out the Steem Bot Tracker website for more info. If you would like to support the development of @postpromoter and the bot tracker please vote for @yabapmatt for witness!

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demix (36) · 7 years ago

Hello. I liked your post, keep it up. Good luck to you and have a nice day :)

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arival (44) · 7 years ago

Yes, you right and iam true

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aidafitri (43) · 7 years ago

Yeah... Because all people have power self

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saintopic (49) · 7 years ago

We keep reading this type of post almost all the time now on the forum and am surprised which I can't say reason why but the funniest thing is that even the notification post are making some good reward out of this.

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buildawhale (74) · 7 years ago

You got a 16.44% upvote from @buildawhale courtesy of @hendrix22!
If you believe this post is spam or abuse, please report it to our Discord #abuse channel.

If you want to support our Curation Digest or our Spam & Abuse prevention efforts, please vote @themarkymark as witness.

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appreciator (66) · 7 years ago

This post has received gratitude of 19.08 % from @appreciator thanks to: @hendrix22.

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rajib916 (25) · 7 years ago

greate

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muhaimin (33) · 7 years ago

good post, I have given a small gift that is vote, please help vote my post as well and follow @muhaimin

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @hendrix22!
Your post was mentioned in the Steemit Hit Parade in the following categories:

Comments - Ranked 8 with 188 comments
Pending payout - Ranked 7 with $ 449,48

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helen-kotka (28) · 7 years ago

Very good!!!

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fortkavanagh (30) · 7 years ago

talk about irony?

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

Care to elaborate?

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fortkavanagh (30) · 7 years ago (edited)

that the people have the power to choose there new leaders... BUT there too desensitized to choose correctly.

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thereaper1233 (3) · 7 years ago

THIS HAEJIN MOSTER EVEN DESTROYED MY ACCOUNT BY DOWNVOTING ME HIMSELF AND BY HIS FOLLOWERS...I WILL NOT LEAVE HIM EITHER....WE MADE HI WHAT HE IS....AND NOW THIS ELEPHANT HAS GONE MAD AND NEEDED TO BE TAKEN DOWN...
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thereaper1233/haejin-destroyed-my-steemit-account-evil-monster

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https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thereaper1233/haejin-destroyed-my-steemit-account-evil-monster

thereaper1233 (3) · 7 years ago

See @haejin true face...

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thereaper1233/my-post-now-hidden-due-to-haejin-fans-downvotes

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

THERE ARE FAR BIGGER SCAMMERS THEN "HAEJIN".

AND FIRSTLY WE NEED TO HAVE A "COMPLAIN BOX", WHERE NO ONE RAPES REWARD POOL ONLY BY WRITING A COMPLAIN POST..

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bitgeek (62) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @hendrix22, this post is the most rewarded post (based on pending payouts) in the last 12 hours written by a Superuser account holder (accounts that hold between 1 and 10 Mega Vests). The total number of posts by Superuser account holders during this period was 1506 and the total pending payments to posts in this category was $14484.62. To see the full list of highest paid posts across all accounts categories, click here.

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littlescribe (65) · 7 years ago

Just one question, and maybe I'm just daft, but why not combine the two accounts into one and have twice the SP?

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roguedenied (49) · 7 years ago

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orgoniteog (63) · 7 years ago

Got to stand up for whats right I believe in that

bluehorseshoe (61) · 7 years ago

Good choice of gif.

arthur.grafo (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

PS: I had to vote myself for the gif to show - sorry

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roguedenied (49) · 7 years ago

Lets do it together!

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teknow (43) · 7 years ago

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bluehorseshoe (61) · 7 years ago

LOL

hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

What friends? I have none...

atam81 (28) · 7 years ago

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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fedrotto (25) · 7 years ago

He seems to know what possible he should do to increase his reputation and also earn rewards. I have similar questions. However, I'm not sure if this is the right way to ask questions!!

atam81 (28) · 7 years ago

I apologize for asking a very stupid question .. but I am honest I still really want to learn in this field ... because I want to be a successful person who can make my parents happy
Thank you very much

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

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atam81 (28) · 7 years ago

thanks a lot of friends .. even though my most stout question but you still answer it ...
I really salute you because you are not arrogant
Thank you very much

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atam81 (28) · 7 years ago

how do you become a successful person in this field

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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atam81 (28) · 7 years ago

thank you very much that you have done to me ... sorry I am a fool who wants to learn .. because I am still a beginner in this field ... once again thank me to say to you who have taught me
I think you are my best teacher

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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atam81 (28) · 7 years ago

thanks a lot of my best friend

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charitybot (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

Steem distribution is very concentrated much like money is concentrated within a few wealthy nations. Hopefully one day global inequality of wealth is not as severe as it is now. Maybe there will be many more in the middle-class from Indonesia, for now you can see if there are successful persons in the #aceh tag that you can learn from. Your English is pretty good though. Good luck.

Okay, just had a look at your comments, here are some tips for new users like you. Focus more on commenting than posting, posting without followers does not do much. Only post if you are using an app that gives frequent votes to a lot of people. Try using @zappl's app, as they give votes for short posts, and the community is very diverse there. Do not post short comments at all, people tend to dislike them.

I have followed you and added you to my UBI. I will vote on your posts as long as you create original content. Also, as a new users, try to avoid flag-war threads like these. The opposing team might come in and flag you, and it can destroy your rep before you have a chance to build it up. Good luck friend.

lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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hendrix22 (64) · 7 years ago

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thalytoons (28) · 7 years ago

This an amazing article @hendrix22 thanks so much for sharing this. I can feel your enthusiasm to help this platform grow. Because of people like you who has so much passion to share and create awareness the growth of steemit will be surely achieve. I do have tons of projects that I wanna bring in to steemit and this guide will definitely help me.
You are such an inspiration to everyone. Keep it up.

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thalytoons (28) · 7 years ago

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eight-rad (58) · 7 years ago

Imho you guys are spending wayyyy to much attention on him, really who cares its a big world full of the good the bad % the ugly. Why not use your your collective voting power to max your own's sp up or turn one of you into a whale to upvote the others.

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

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