What if they do not have a link in them?
What if they are a minimum amount of 0.010 STEEM/SBD or some other amount?
At what amount would they be classified as spam or not spam? What about with links in them?
What if you only want to send them to your followers? And, following?
What if you select certain accounts by different parameters such as Reputation, STEEM Power, STEEM Balance, followers/following, activity, duration, and so on?
Should users have to subscribe to receive memos from another account?
Merriam-Webster defines spam as, "unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as e-mails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places."
If it's unsolicited, it's spam, and any amount of STEEM/SBD won't change that. However, I think most minnows would love getting some free STEEM/SBD and would end up helping you with what you wanted from them.
I think sending them a link would make it a little more spammy, but you could always ask in the memo if it's okay to send a link.
I wouldn't consider sending a memo to your followers spam at all. They followed you for a reason.
Subscriptions would be good. A user could send a small amount of STEEM saying they want to subscribe. You can send that STEEM back even and then it will at least be in "writing" that they want to sign up for memos.
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When people create an account on the STEEM blockchain, they are soliciting communication through memos. As long as those memos aren't threatening or unethical, I don't think it qualifies as spam. If there was some scam getting run behind it, then it would be spam.
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I disagree about the scam thing.
Even without scamming, a memo can be spam.
In my country I constantly receive shop catalogues in my mailbox (actual paper mail). It is not a scam, and sometimes it's even interesting... but most of the time it is used as something with which we start the fire in the fireplace, making it just a bit more useful than trash.
That's how I define spam - something useless that tries to grab your attention and steal some of your time.
But if you enjoy it, then it's not spam.
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Right, that's what I'm thinking - "something useless that tries to grab your attention and steal some of your time."
I'm thinking of spam in terms of email marketing. I think with Steemit, since the only way you can send a memo is to literally provide value to them, the grey area is even more grey.
I really think that if they follow you then a memo is completely warranted. If the recipient isn't a follower, they're still receiving value and shouldn't have a problem with it as long as your memo is genuine and helpful. Back in the old days companies would send out physical mail to cold (new) prospects with a dollar bill inside to increase their conversion rates.
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email marketing is still to this day the most effective way to build up relationships with people that have interest in a niche. When you buy from ebay you will get sent emails from ebay about related products that you have looked at. I use email marketing massively but its in exchange for value that I share and its through an opt in page so the recipient has consented before hand. I started an email campaign to bring in new steemians which also helps me to automate emails giving them guidance on how to get started. Here I would say if people have opted to follow you they can always choose to unfollow just make that option a clear choice @money-dreamer clear at the bottom of your memo and if you are interested in starting an email campaign come and have a chat with me. You could even put a caption page link in and build a list of subscribers and that way it does not matter what platform you are on your list is yours to update when ever you want. like I am about to shoot a quick email to my list to invite them over here to steemit. Anyway cut a long story short if you point out that people can freely unfollow if they feel offended then at least you made the choice clear and that's fair in my books :)
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^^^this^^^
You gotta PAY to PLAY and sending a small amount is like a postage stamp, but the receiver gets the postage. Just how it is here @steemit IMO
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I'm still learning the ins and outs of this Steemit thing, even though I've been on for just over 90days now, it's trickling in.
Love and light,
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Do you think it is spam if I send mass memos to my followers?
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hey @alecreed how are you? I seen your upvote but it carried no weight which actually uses your bandwidth. Im new here but for the last 4 weeks ive done nothing but study and get with some smart people. My advise whilst you are at almost the same rep as me is only upvote 10 times in a 24 hour period. I have a few blogs i have done recently that explain some of the stuff that you might not have been taught yet bro but here is a tool you would benefit from from https://www.steemworld.org/@yourusename this will show you when your vote power has gone below 0.001. Im guessing if you allow your voting power to drop below 80% your vote loses value. My profile has my FB link you are welcome to send me a friend request just trying to look out for the newbies :)
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This is a good question for @steemflagrewards to answer also.
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Hi @steemseph, thanks for the mention!
I think the one solution for those not wanting unsolicited transfers is perhaps an opt-out user attribute to be added to the code which would require consensus.
Perhaps, the attribute can require that the sender be followed by the recipient otherwise the transfer will error.
One good thing about transfers is they have a minimum cost which means their potential for abuse is indeed limited.
I recall last year there had been a lot of promotions for resteem services via SBD transfers. I think these would fall into the category of spam especially considering the scale. Another consideration if an opt-out attribute is added is maybe added a transfer limit per hour. This would effectively limit the reach of spam.
As a flag incentivization intiative, it may be possible to start flag campaigns against the links being promoted in the spam transfers but, as always, the community would need to be behind it. Definitely a good discussion.
Would love to invite others to continue the discussion on our Steem Moderation discord channel and maybe we can plan how flag incentivization may help address the problem.
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The wallet interface should have a user specified setting to hide messages below the specified value. It could aggregate transfers of lower value so the user can check them if they want, like checking your spam folder. At the top level it would just show transfers above the specified value with their memos, and a cumulative total received in the last week in transfers below that value.
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This is a great idea and seems like it would be easy enough to implement on the front end. Who would we need to bring this up to? @ned, maybe?
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Probably @ned for Steemit and various others for each different interface/website @good-karma/eSteem might be a good fit initially. Someone could even build it as a standalone messenger app. Just build in encryption/decryption and the spam filter into a minimal wallet and you've got a minimum viable product. I've been meaning to get into app development for some DPOS chains if I ever find the time to get bootstrapped.
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exactly
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I saw you get that downvote. I think ultimately some people will view it as spam unless they request the message and some appreciate the gift even if its a promotion.
Personally I see it as a promotion that gives something for free with no strings attached. Like those food stalls that let you eat a tiny piece of food.
Lot's of whale accounts have their idea on what everyone should do and if they don't do that they down vote sometimes down vote everything they do until they quit steemit. I guess they think they have some sort of authority. What you doing is fine, don't worry.
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I do not like the authority we are all here because we do not like the authority and that some say what is good and what is not, we are decentralized (theoretically) but some begin to want to be the police or politicians and impose their opinion based on flags, this has to end, we can not impose on anyone, there are some who are abusing too much of that and want to have absolute power in the platform, this platform will not go far if we let this happen, without realizing they are harming to themselves.
I curse that kind of selfish thinking that some have that want to impose just because they can impose themselves.
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I don't like it either, my hope is if more and more people join hopefully they won't have the power to control so may people and the percentage of the platform they can control will decrease. Ultimately though power is brought on this platform so the early adopters and rich will always have disproportionate power. Yes it is also gifted in upvotes but mainly brought.
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I agree with this, you have a new follower @money-dreamer
Whales gonna whale
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I would vote for subscription.
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What do you think the best way to opt-in or opt-out of memo subscriptions would be?
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Opt-in. This way you won't bother anyone.
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How should they opt-in?
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By having a button or something...like the subscribe button from youtube.
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Follow = opt in
Unfollow = opt out
Mention this in all your posts, this way if someone follows you, its implied that they actually 'read' your posts, right?
If not then they are spamming the network anyway with pointless follows...
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very good idea
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That's a lot of questions
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I guess it is a survey.
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Absolutely @money-dreamer, it was a great post to know how far steemian contribute on it
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I was talking about that with @takeru255 , who have limit because of the amount of text on the boomerang´s transacctions , but if it was like textless we agree that it would not be spam because it would be like a donation.
Is like your gift , but well maybe just this "<3" would be enough dont you think ?
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<3 sawcraz.art
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<3
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<3 sawcraz.art
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It depends upon the perception of the receiver of your memo and the type of memo sent. Say like for example ,you've sent them 0.001 steem. kinda like you're asking them to follow you in exchange of that steem but it depends upon them.It is not mandatory for them to follow you. It is their free will if they want to. That is how I see it.
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I agree with this.
Someone sent me 0.001 Steem when I first joined. I didn't even know until this year when I started to take Steemit seriously.
Speaking about which, lemme check out his blog now
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Just my opinion
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0.010 SBD/STEEM is a lot of money for some people. I remember people throwing around 0.01 BTC back years ago - me being one of them - when that valued $1. Some people might find a 0.001 SBD/STEEM gift in their account in a few years from now and be more than grateful.
What do you think the best way to subscribe is?
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Agree with 1 as it is limitation for legitimate use. For instance, when we diatributed flag rewards last campaign.
There was a user that merited 0.001 SBD rounded up for offering the downvote according to the reward shares. Yes, it's a trivial amount of SBD but they did earn it.
Adding a minimum transfer would hnder the ability to reward plankton and minnows for flag rewards. I could maybe save the amount until it reaches whatever threshold but that requires more accounting. If necessary, that is what we would do however.
Opting in or out is a good idea. I was suggesting perhaps opting out to only receive messages from those you follow for example but affording the user more flexibility would be a good thing.
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My program finds recent posts with a lot of words and written by people matching a reputation filter. It sends them 0.001 SBD with the memo "a gift"
That happens roughly every 30 minutes.
People seem to like it.
The question isn't "what is spam?" but "what pleases people and what annoys them?"
My transactions are indeed a form of spam. But they please the people being spammed, instead of annoying them.
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It's so subjective. I don't mind tbh but I guess, for those that do, it would be good if they had options.
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Sure it's spam, but I don't have a problem with it and rather like it.
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Creating an account publishes a way to be communicated with, so it is solicited and not spam.
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Nice post.I respect you very much because you contribute to steemit.I will do activities like you.I would like to extend the steemit.
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THANK YOU @money-dreamer!
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Sounds like a great idea to me.
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I think it should be exactly how it is atm. The one thing I would change is the option to block certain users memo and/or block certain user transactions. It would work the same as a flag really but it only effects how they can interact with you. Thant way if you think its spam one click and that user won't bother you. Otherwise no one would be able to make transactions with anyone unless they opted in
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nices posts hai han
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Thanks for 0,001 steem gift :) Every little thing in time can become big :)
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why so much questions??
@money-dreamer
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Although unaware of the exact memo system you are referring to, @money-dreamer, my thought is that the charge could be made high enough to discourage all spam, provided a configuration setting on the receiving end could specify the percentage of the charge to be deducted from the standard fee. This could range from all to nothing, with sender given that info just prior to sending the message.
There was a simular debate during my involvement with a Devcoin Bounty Project, which offered email options to SMF Software.
P.S. Also a list of those one would except no charge memos.
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Er...
This could be very subjective.
I think sending a memo to everyone that's following you shouldn't qualify as spamming since you can infer that they subscribed to your thoughts.
But asking for individual subscription wouldn't be so bad; besides it shows a kind of respect for the receiver.
My thoughts alone
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In my opinion i don't see it as spam unless the people tries to force you into something you don't want to be a part of, otherwise, i see the memo as a means to communicate with your followers and bless them with your success
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Could be one of the ingredients for us to understand. steemit gives freedom to the users to be creative.
Interesting post @money-dreamer.
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I like pos you
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LOL, I see what you did there. Thanks for the "Gift!" I guess if we got paid a little to accept all of our spam, we wouldn't care that much. Since I get these kinds of memos only a couple of times a week, I did click through to your account to see what was going on, so it worked. :)
I imagine that the whales here get a lot more of it than a little prawn like me, so maybe it is annoying for them.
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If a whale doesn't want to receive dust transactions, then they should use some sort of filter software to remove the transactions so they don't see them. It should be OK for any account holder to send a memo another account holder unless if they explicitly opt-out.
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It seems to be the only way to send a direct message, so I agree with you. I guess if you want to send a private message, you'd have to take it to another platform too.
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I'm not sure I understand. I always thought that sending mass mailings was an abuse of the network, not the receiver. Unless of course the same user gets repeatedly hit.
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I would like for someone to repeatedly send me SBD/STEEM. I guess for a very popular account, if a 0.001 memo gets sent every hour or so, then they will be stealing attention from their profile.
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even if they have 5 steem, they are spam, because your aim is to bring attention to yourself, ie: advertise. what if we are simply uninterested in junk mail? what if instead you get negative attention?
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would it be wrong to mail an envelope with a penny in it to somebody? what about one dollar or 100 dollars?
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nice thing to learn thanks
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Interesting post
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I don't feel as if it would be spam as long as the content is of use and your not trying to sell me stuff with a bunch of links!
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a very good question, I like your question @money-dreamer
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I'm actually fine with it as long as they send some Steem or SBD. I usually view the tokens they send as just a payment for some of my attention.
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I created an Opt-In list that people join to receive memos from me. They send a wallet payment of 0.001 SBD, which I reimburse them, with memo of Opt-In. They can leave by doing the same with memo of Opt-Out. I pay at least 0.003 SBD for each memo I send.
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Thank you for using my service. If anyone else wants me to resteem their post just send me 0.1 steem and I will resteem their last post they posted.
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thanks #dreamer for sending your lovely gift, love you too.
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By the way thanks for the gift you sent me, all the best
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Thanks for the gift sir. Means a lot to me. Thanks again.
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We can actually do what we want here on steemit if the system allows it. If not, obviously it will be ignored or will pop-up an error. But, be aware, the system also allows users to downvote or mute or flag their fellow users if they feel doing it. And we all know that there are whales out there. We will be thrown out of the water anytime. There's no kids here on steemit. We're all mature people. We know what's right and wrong. We know what's moderate and what's too much. Steemit for me is also a game, with a 51% chance of winning in my opinion. And it takes time to master a certain game. And we have our own disposition. Some are fast learners some are slow.
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thanks a lot for the gift you give
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what should i do so i can multiply the steem and SBD or power steem
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I prefer to send larger amounts but I'm also not into mass-mailings like that. The connected STU's are like postage to me. Great Idea! WAY Better than the pop-up ads you see online all over the place. If someone wants me to look at ads these days, they better PAY ME! I did faucets for a long time.
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@underground
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Spam is pretty tasty with eggs!! Thanks for the gift!!!
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Thanks for the gift 0.001 steem....
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New people have exposure to everyone now. There should be a choice to send personal messages and posts. Great idea. Joy
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Thank you for the gift. I am sending prayer up for you so blessings come down. Keep caring and sharing. Thank you. Joy
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wow amazing
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This post has received gratitude of 2.41 % from @appreciator thanks to: @money-dreamer.
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See @money-dreamer sending would help new user atleast promote their post and grow and gain much more upvotes...... Nice topic you have chosed for discussion
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To know the scam or not, can be seen from the amount of content that is produced every day. In addition, it can also assess the content of the content. So that later more objective if it was a scam or not
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great post my friend
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@shohan11/bitcoin-in-a-nutshell
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ok done..... thanks
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Thank you for your support @money-dreamer plz help me it means to me lot. And upvote my blogs☺☺☺
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To me it's completely silly that people call this spamming, this platform was created to share information and share STEEM. I just think people are ridiculous.
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it's very good, the original is very valuable even if there is no value, Thanks @money-dreamer
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https://steemit.com/love/@sarnaly/magic-word i want to work with u on steemit plz accept me dear i am active person
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why gift me 0.001 STEEM ?? @utpoldebnath
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Allow the user to determine if he wants to be a part of it or not.
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An excellent post and some great advice and information. It is great to see good quality content here on Steemit. Upvoted and followed.
Thank you.
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thanks for the sbd!
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Perdebatan - Apakah menurut Anda mengirim memo massa adalah spam?
money-dreamer (54) dalam penyalahgunaan • 21 jam yang lalu
Bagaimana jika mereka tidak memiliki link di dalamnya?
Bagaimana jika mereka adalah jumlah minimum 0,010 STEEM / SBD atau beberapa lainnya?
Pada jumlah berapa mereka akan diklasifikasikan sebagai spam atau bukan spam? Bagaimana dengan link di dalamnya?
Bagaimana jika Anda hanya ingin mengirimkannya kepada pengikut Anda? Dan, berikut?
Bagaimana jika Anda memilih akun tertentu dengan parameter yang berbeda seperti Reputasi, Kekuatan STEEM, Saldo STEEM, pengikut / pengikut, aktivitas, durasi, dan sebagainya?
Haruskah pengguna harus berlangganan untuk menerima memo dari akun lain?
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flagged for disagreement on reward.
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Resteemed to over 10000 followers and 100% upvoted. Thank you for using my service!
Send 0.100 Steem or 0.100 Steem Dollar and the URL in the memo to use the bot.
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To me spam comes from a "spam-account". If you have nothing other to promote than promotion itself, to me that is a spam account. If you have also other content that really gives value, I don't see a problem in promoting yourself.
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Thanks for the gift ;)
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This is why concensus can only be reached via fiat. Decentralize anything and you have to have a mechanism for settling among differences. Hence here. We need one algo but we have divers opinions. I came to this post because you "spammed me" -- but if STEEM / SBD is worth $10k one day, will I be mad you gave me $10? nah.... :D
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It somehow works, like mass email maybe. you can have the CC and BCC functions.
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I shouldn't think so if for instance it was done maybe once a week, like my favorite radio program, he sends me a reminder the day before and the day of because I get pretty busy and forget about the show. Then he leaves off until the following week. If it is each and every day, it gets old quickly and people will develop a tolerance to it, then ignore it altogether. So, in essence, it's not spam worthy to me if it's done tastefully and once or twice a week. Pick a day. Then leave off until the next week. Btw, thank you for the spiff, that was very kind, every little bit does help.
Much love and light,
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I like your question @money-dreamer
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If they have some value and are non-malicious I don't mind. In the U.S. we are hit with a steady barrage of advertising. Most of the products and services I am not interested in. I appreciate STEEM being a good platform for crypto news and analysis. I don't feel your memos are intrusive because you are giving something of value.
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On the one hand, I don't see the down side to receiving money (Steem). Whether or not I take whatever action the giver hopes I take in response -- or even bother to read the memo -- I got paid.
On the other hand, I'd be interested in the extent to which lots of mass memo sending might congest the Steem network and slow everything down.
And thanks for the memo with the Steem :D
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hey! thanks for the gift!
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Hi Dear Friend!
Please help me.Plz Auto Upvote me and i send some Dollars to you.
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Nice post
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What's the point of sending .001 SBD and writing gift in memo?
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<humbly Thanks for the gift :D Thank you <3 :D
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Yes, they are.
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i dont think it classifies as spam. Easy enough to ignore. If one wants to be on the very safe side only send to newcomers or subscribers.
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I put it in his other post but I copy and paste it here since I speak just about the subject of the debate
networker5 (55) · 11 minutes ago
I also! ;)
if this is spam, I want more spam, please! Hahaha
Spam means unwanted emails. Who the hell does not want to receive an email with money? We're all here for money, spam with money will always be good for me, at least!
really the spam issue is too complicated, it is clear that some rules have to be established, all systems need rules of good use but the subject spam is something very subjective, as is the quality that is also very subjective, there is a very thin line in what is understood as spam and what is not spam and we also have to think that each one has different thoughts and opinions and for which some seem to be spam to others, and the rules that define spam are those that also wrote to a person or several with their thoughts and that thought may be more or less true than others, and I say that it is difficult to establish the barrier or the fine line that is spam and what is not.
but what I see wrong is penalizing too much when I have seen much worse and more harmful things for Steemit and I am overlooking them.
please, there are priorities, go on the hunt for the real steemit abusers, there are many and they are quite big.
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yo quiero eso
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Thanks a lot for 0,001 steem gift :) for me today,,
Every little thing in time can become big, biger, and can be bigest....
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