There are no 'special accounts' to make sure no one breaks the rules as far as the actual design of Steem goes. It's a decentralized network with no authority figures or admins, and each of us has influence based on our stake. Steem is designed based on the hope that people will use their influence to reward productive and sustainable behavior thereby creating a self sustaining community. If instead Steem attracts people who are only interested in extracting as much short term gain as possible, it will die. I've looked at many systems through the eyes of a newcomer, and when I see that sort of behavior in them it makes me less likely to invest either time or money. Do you think people are more likely to buy Steem because they see value created by your posts?
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I think that often there is a following: a newcomer comes in, publishes an introduceyourself message, and since he does not have the money to promote this post, the post does not collect much money at all.
He does not despair and continues to spread out his posts, ordinary posts, there are thousands similar posts, but they are geting 3-4 ups and a ridiculous amount in cents, no more than 3-4. On some post, he ceases to believe that he can earn something, go out of Steemit and forget about his account.
Posts with the distribution of free sbd can make some of the newcomers stay for a longer time. People like to get something for free. During this time he will have the opportunity to take a closer look at the steem. Perhaps he will see what posts are coming out on top and he will try to write something original and interesting.
And maybe someone will invite his friend, telling him that he can get money in Steemit, just from upvoting the post. And this friend will start writing good original posts later. But I certainly would not invite anyone, if I saw that such posts are downvoted.
Regarding your phrase that the steemit will die, I will tell you one simple thing - it will surely die if there is no influx of new users and no one will buy Steem or Sbd.
Once again, I repeat that my posts do not cause damage, because whales do not participate in them. I believe that posts with free sbd's are useful for steemit, so once again I ask you to take away downvotes from my posts.
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Great write up, Fogel.
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Steem will never be successful as a social platform if the people it attracts and retains are only here for the money. Most competing networks not only have ads, but don't share profits with users at all. Sharing profits is only a worthwhile, sustainable, and competitive strategy if those profits are linked to real growth and productivity.
Since the rewards are now linear and you're rewarding based on vote weight, you aren't even doing much to help newcomers. Most newcomers won't have enough vote weight to get much from you, and if they did they could get the same by upvoting their own posts. The difference is that this way you have the chance to accumulate SP and reputation in addition to the SBD you pass on to them.
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Do you really enjoy the fact that your actions cause people's anger and irritation?
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I don't enjoy the anger and irritation at all. If I did I wouldn't waste time explaining what I'm doing. I'm trying to increase the health and growth of the Steem network. As I see it, the anger and irritation is not caused by my actions, it's a reaction by some who fail to understand my actions despite my efforts.
I have nothing personally against the authors of posts I downvote. I'm just countering specific posts I see as destructive by downvoting them. I don't downvote other content by an author to punish an unrelated action, even in response to those who attack me in that way.
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Do you really think that those 150-200 people who upvote my free sbd posts are either idiots who are unable to understand what harm they inflict on the steemit with their upvotes of similar posts, or malicious destroyers of the steemit, and you are alone - a knight on a white horse who rides to save the steemit?
Isn't it a paradox in how low you assess the community, which, according to your words, you do care of?
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That's a false dichotomy. The fact that they don't understand is no indication that they're unable to understand or that they're malicious. No one focuses their full comprehensive capacity on every aspect of their interactions, because human attention is limited. We rely on feedback, past results, and incentives to prioritize what merits our attention. That's what I'm providing.
Of course I'm not the lone knight. I'm just one more person on the network expressing my ideas and preferences, as I'd encourage everyone else to do.
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Do you attack all autovote paid vote and such systems? How about peoople upvoting their own post? My understanding is upvote if you like downvote because its plagiarism misleading simply bulshit offensive etc not because you personally dont agree with the content.
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I downvote what I see that I think is destructive. I don't care if people upvote their own posts as long I don't consider the posts spam or otherwise abuse. They have just as much right to express their valuation of that content as anyone else does. I'll upvote things I disagree with if I think they're effectively communicating a different perspective. Recently I've started upvoting more of my comments to counter people who downvote and hide everything I say just because I'm the one who said it...
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You downvote what you THINK is destructive! you should definitely THINK about the way you THINK! why you've been such an asshole over the last weeks what is wrong with your life?!
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Pot calling the kettle black? You downvoted a bunch of my posts for no apparent reason.. lol. though your downvote does nothing to me.. Interesting though how you act like such a childish little bitch over things and cry because about downvotes then go around and do the same thing to others.. amusing.. your obviously an idiot... and a hypocrite.. What is wrong with your life.. lol
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I've explained my reasoning, and most who express disagreement with my position (yourself included) are doing so without countering that reasoning. Several have indicated that altered their positions as a result of my explanations. I gather that you feel hurt because you saw your potential for financial gain reduced by my actions, but please consider the context of those actions and my explanations of them. If you have a counterargument to make, I'm open to considering it as I have other responses.
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Hello at 2, I'm reading and the 2 have a different point of view but in a sense the 2 sides (to call it somehow) you have some reason.
I'm not going to give my opinion because I'm still learning and I'm not even able to give reasoning worthwhile on this subject but I think you are partly right in 2 according to my thoughts, I mean nothing black or white there are intermediate grays and other colors;) to say it in some way everything absolutely everything in this life is bad, so the best thing is always to find a balance and a middle point and that is why I understand the 2 arguments and the 2 have some reason.
but I wanted to interrupt this talk since I see here in steemit problems of a magnitude infinitely larger than what I see here, here are exchanging some very good points but I think it is a bit of a possible waste of time since there are other problems much more serious and before them the ideal is to give higher priority to those larger problems to try to solve them in the best way possible.
What I do not think is good is to put flags and more flags without warning or give a warning or propose better methods, that is, I think it is much healthier and sportier to have good conversations than to put the flag and discuss it to try remove it or solve problems once created, it is better as I say exchange ideas and also in the course of these exchanges of ideas you would be giving a real value to the platform since you would be looking for the best solutions or the best ways of doing things.
13 hours ago Receive 0.008 SBDdeupv4life Your share of honolulu-s-free-sbd-giveaway-46-13-01-2018-reloaded-just-upvote-to-enter - please read payoutreport !!! IMPORTANT NEWS NEWS NEWS !!! - Thanks for participating!
@troglodactyl e looked at your account and seen that you have a small profit from the participation of a giveaway in your last purse history, I was really a little surprised by that because I see that you are completely against it and you are giving your arguments with which I agree as I said at a certain point but I do not understand why then you are participating in that giveaway when precisely that is what you are criticizing, I hope it is something else or an error or something I am not understanding at all because if you really are participating in one of them (or more, I do not know) and you are against them and marked with red flags then that would be a very hypocritical aptitude, therefore I hope I am wrong and that it is something else or that you give me a good explanation about that since it is not my intention to call anyone hypocritical because it is not a very pleasant word but I base only on what I was able to verify in that transaction.
Summing up I think it's better if you want to help and in your case you have a big enough account to go to other more serious matters as you can see here where there are very large accounts that are taking a lot of the total reward from Steemit a way that does not help anything to steemit because they are simply voting on each other in a systematic and automated way without giving good content only by taking advantage of those gaps that the system still has to self-benefit in the short term and endanger sustainability.
and as I said before I think there are better ways of doing things than putting red flags, or punishments, if we are decentralized and there is no censorship it is clear that you have to have some basic rules of coexistence but I think that punishment is not the best way to moving forward is better to propose solutions and help is to be on the side of solutions and not on the side of problems, I hope not to be voted with a red flag for my comment because then that means that whoever voted did not understand what I mean.
what we should be clear is that no one is perfect nor are we in an uptopia, I am the farthest to perfect, and a lot of mistakes are made but the important thing is not that we are perfect or want to be and we want to be right in everything , the important thing is to have a good attitude and want to improve because we will not be perfect but we are all unique and different and each one has something to contribute if given the opportunity to do so
peace and love!
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I'm as puzzled as you are by that transfer from @upvforlife. I'm assuming it was an error as I didn't upvote the contest. I downvoted it and then removed the downvote when @honolulu agreed to end his giveaways, which may have caused confusion and error in his payout system.
I agree Steem has a lot of problems, but I don't have either the time or the SP to solve all of them. I upvote the good content I see, downvote what I think is destructive, and follow up on both as I can. I have no delusions of being able to singlehandedly address all the issues, but I try to do my part and hope that others will do the same.
Also, that's a lot of text. I read it all, but if you work on being a bit more concise I think you'll be more effective at communicating with people in the future.
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