RE: AnCap NAP Ethics is Morally Bankrupt & Based on Arbitrary Aggression Against Non-Aggressors

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AnCap NAP Ethics is Morally Bankrupt & Based on Arbitrary Aggression Against Non-Aggressors

in anarchism •  7 years ago  (edited)

@ekklesiagora - First off, I would recommend not classifying the position of any group based on specific philosophers. They helped generate the position, but they did not necessarily refine it, nor do they define it. That's bordering on a strawman argument, designed to discredit the entire philosophy by shooting the messenger.

Secondly, there is a difference between a morality standard and an ethical one. One is purely internal and subjective, the other is purely external and objective. The NAP is an ethical principle (do not use aggression), not a moral one, and as such it deals with actions, not inaction.

And before you say "inaction is a type of action" that is a non sequitur. They are both choices one can make, but they are not both acts. Implying that inaction is an action creates a lot of logical inconsistencies in the foundation of any point built of that premise.

Now, onto the idea that the NAP is "morally bankrupt".

You make the claim that:

It is certainly more cruel to allow a child to die slowly from exposure or starvation than it is to kill them quickly with a bullet or a blade.

In both cases, as you described it, the child will die. In both cases the child will suffer, but one may occur over a longer period, while the other is painful but quick. In one case, inaction is the cause, in the other direct action is the cause. Direct action to end life is more reprehensible than inaction that could result in the end of life, because one guarantees death, and the other assumes eventual death.

However, the reality of that use case is far more complex. Abandonment does not necessarily imply death as inevitable in the real world. It is a high probability, but not 100%, unlike outright murder. The child could be found, given to an orphanage, given to a friend who is childless and barren, etc. This false dichotomy is not a logical argument, and it has been consistently debunked because of its inherent flawed premise.

I know Rothbard's arguments on women and children, and to be frank I also find them logically flawed. That said, I do not consider Rothbard an authority on anarchocapitalism or logical thought.

Now lets take the ancom lifeboat example you used of the capitalist starving his fellow man.

The second man is faced with inevitable death if he does not take some of the resources away from the first man.

This is a false dichotomy for at least two reasons.

  1. The first man could build a fishing rod with the materials, fish for his food, and then either rent out his rod to the second man, or trade the fish for other foods from the second man. This is a voluntary exchange, and requires no aggressive action at all.
  2. The second man could negotiate with the first man to gain that resource by labour. Why would the owner of all the food waste his valuable time picking food, when he can pay someone to do it for him voluntarily? The first man gets fed, and the second man can look to do other things with his recently acquired free time.

But lets assume for now that both points are, for whatever reason, not possible for the second man to do, and his only options are what you describe.

If the first man wishes to enforce his unjust monopoly, then he must initiate aggression against the second man and use physical force to prevent him from taking the food and water he needs to survive. AnCap property is actually predicated on the violation of the non-aggression principle by the proprietor or his representative. Capitalism is a system of violence.

Now, lets break this down. First, I'll ignore the fact that your argument seems to be claiming the negative right of property ownership doesn't exist.

Secondly, you have conveniently glossed over the fact the initial act of aggression is taken by the first man for stealing property from its owner. That is an act of aggression. The fact you don't like that fact doesn't make it any less an act of aggression, and the act of taking any property from another, without consent, is theft. Ergo, responding to that act of aggression with force is a defensive act, not an aggressive one.

This is a typical semantic distortion used by many ancoms to strawman the anarchocapitalist positions on liberties & fairness. By recrafting the narrative to put the first man as some eternal victim to the second man, they are able to ignore the actual actions and consequences because of the need for survival, and create false dichotomies that misrepresent reality in the extreme.

Now that the argument you have made via the Crusoe econ illustration has been correctly framed, and not presented in the biased way you provided, you can see (I hope) that the argument you are making is illogical.

It is equally illogical to presume that capitalism is "wage slavery". That is taxation (an entity forcing you without consent to hand over your labour). No one is forcing anyone to take a specific job in capitalism (which is more than can be said for where people have attempted communism). Capitalism only requires that people work, and that work is judged economically by merit.

TLDR? : You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep others warm.

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I think the main difference between us is that I approach ethics differently. Whether or not an act is "non-aggressive" or "does not violate property" does not determine whether that action is ethically right or wrong. I adhere to a mixture of natural law theory, preference utilitarianism, and consequentialism. Basically, I think that something is morally wrong if it increases overall suffering, and right if it minimizes or decreases suffering. Whether or not it is "theft," "aggressive," or anything else is irrelevant. If a man has no food and can't find work, and he, therefore, steals some food to feed his starving kids, then I don't think his theft was morally or ethcially wrong. (Also, I don't distinguish between moral standards and ethical standards. I regard such a distinction as useless and fictitious.)

If you want to know more about my approach to ethics, see my series on Ethics.

The problem with that style of analytics @ekklesiagora is it doesn't identify root causes. The problems you see on the surface are symptoms of a separate cause, which often has an underlying cause beneath it. The root cause of suffering that can be controlled is aggression. All other causes of suffering are tied to chance, personal decisions, etc. and can be mitigated via voluntary action or via exercising one's own liberty.

The other problem that I see is you have conflated morality with ethics, and you have admitted as much. The distinction does exist. It is hardly useless, and definitely not fictitious.

Ethics is external and objective, while morality is internal and subjective. Or, to put it as my friend @twok would:

Ethics stem from the objective and reciprocal claims to self and property ownership.
Morals stem from the subjective value judgements of self and property worth.

This is why something can be immoral to an individual and yet ethical in the eyes of society, and something can be unethical to society, and yet moral to an individual. What you described is a case of something being unethical (theft) and yet moral to you(feeding starving children). To the person you stole from, it may be neither moral or ethical, or it may be the same view as you, but it doesn't change the fact you would be violating the ethical standard by stealing.

In order for any ethical standard to work with consistency, it must be an objective concept. It cannot be subjective to individual interpretation. To use the libertarian NAP, the principle implies that aggression (the initiation of using force upon another, without consent) causes the most harm, ergo to reduce harm to everyone, aggression must not be permissible. By objectively removing the permissibly of aggression, you objectively reduce the harm done to others.

The mathematical failings of all "subjective ethics" arguments

By conflating morality, your own internal subjective code of conduct, with ethics (an external & objective code of conduct), you are able to claim all immoral acts (to you) are inherently unethical. This makes your subjective interpretation the only one that can be applied, at least for you. Besides this being semantically false (as all individuals have a separate subjective interpretation of reality), the interpretation you have has a 1:7billion chance of aligning with any single individual, specifically.

To make a single, subjectively derived ethical standard apply willingly across all individuals, in all societies, would be a computational explosion problem. Lets look at some combinatorial mathematics to find out why:

There are 7 billion people who could say yes, or no, to any ethical standard you propose. That's 2^7,000,000,000 possible combinations that need consideration here. Even if we could process a trillion combinations per second (for reference, we can do now maybe a third of that now with the absolute top end processors from last year), a calculation of 2^100 would take 40 billion years to list all the potential combinations out. From there you would need to analyse why the no's were given, and then reprocess the results with the new model to fit their needs, presuming one fix is required.

40 billion years is about 3 times the time we estimate the universe has existed so far, and that is just to work out all the possible binary combinations across 100 cases, just to see what could exist. We are dealing with 7 billion binary combinations, here. Do you honestly think a single solution, which is not innately and infinitely flexible (like anarchy), will objectively work when you are multiplying the combination factor by by 70 million? The maths make it so unfeasible that even if you turned all the matter in the universe into a computer, and used the lifespan of the universe itself to calculate the problem, it would be nowhere near determining a result.

These combinatorial failures are why any centralised or single implementation solution is doomed to be problematic for someone in society. Only with anarchy is it possible to have a multitude of implementation strategies that prevent aggression and harm in society, without having any single entity controlling the system in play. These failures are also why the concepts of intersectionality & social justice impossible to implement, as there are far more than 100 possible combinations of groupings for people within society that could have meaning.

You said: “To use the libertarian NAP, the principle implies that aggression (the initiation of using force upon another, without consent) causes the most harm, ergo to reduce harm to everyone, aggression must not be permissible.”

I reject that assertion. Sometimes suffering caused by natural causes (e.g. starvation) can be reduced by “aggression” (e.g. stealing food); in which case a rigid application of NAP would lead to an overall increase in suffering.

You said: “By conflating morality, your own internal subjective code of conduct, with ethics (an external & objective code of conduct), you are able to claim all immoral acts (to you) are inherently unethical. This makes your subjective interpretation the only one that can be applied, at least for you.”

The distinction between ethics and morality that you make is semantics. But, I believe my writings on ethics, which I linked before, explain sufficiently why such a distinction is unnecessary. Morality, our personal principles for distinguishing right from wrong, is inherent in human nature, and since they are inherent in human nature they are shared by all humans. Ethics, the theory of right conduct, is rooted in natural law, and consequently the line between morality and ethics is blurred. I am willing to make the distinction, but it is a distinction without a difference within the framework of my theory of ethics. Also, you seem to be blurring the line between ethics and politics.

You said: “To make a single, subjectively derived ethical standard apply willingly across all individuals, in all societies, would be a computational explosion problem…. Do you honestly think a single solution, which is not innately and infinitely flexible (like anarchy), will objectively work when you are multiplying the combination factor by by 70 million?”

I don't suppose to make a single standard apply. Each community would be allowed to set rules as they see fit. Furthermore, you ought to stop to consider the possibility that anarchism will not maximize human wellbeing. Suppose that anarchism leads to chaos, doesn't establish security and stability like it is supposed to, and suppose that there is some flaw in anarchism (which you are unaware of), which guarantees that anarchism always leads to instability and lack of security in persons and property for the majority of the populace. If that is the case, then a flawed singular solution, though imperfect, would actually be relatively better than anarchism in practice.

So you think impact of natural causes for harm outweigh the aggressive ones? I say "Justify this belief."

You are making a claim that aggression is somehow less impactful to societal wellbeing than natural issues. Crimes with actual victims, war, terrorism, restrictions on trading, the massive amounts of corporate defrauding of entire nations - these are all things that happen because of aggression. They have a far more debilitating effects on societies than the risks of starvation do today.

Your solution is focusing on issues that are less damaging to society, ones that actively cause less harm and can be mitigated privately with ease. To fix these things, you are proposing a state is necessary, and that state is guaranteed to commit aggression at some point to enforce its subjective value judgements on everyone.

In other words, I know your solution won't work because it doesn't care about what causes the most harm to society, and it doesn't actually have a principle to judge those actions from. It is purely subjective, and purely subjective systems do not work to improve things. Every single "Marxist socialist" state has proved this, and every mixed economy shows that it is horrifically inefficient compared with privately designed solutions.

As for your "anarchy could descend into chaos!" argument, sure its possible, but the probability of such an occurrence is far less likely than a state causing actual chaos through war and economic manipulations. This is again because of the mathematical factors I mentioned earlier, something which you seem to have completely ignored.

Regarding Ethics and Morality, you may consider it to be a "semantic distinction" but it is critical. A subjective morality cannot be objectively applied to society and be expected to work well for anyone save the one who created that standard. You must have an objective metric to measure against for ethics to work. Consent is this measure for a vast majority of people, so consent should be considered that which is ethical, and any other subjective value judgement can be considered morality based.

In addition, the means by which ethics are generated are not rooted in any specific philosophy, particularly not natural law. To make this claim is a misunderstanding of how ethics work. The fact you are not distinguishing between subjective moral judgements and ethical principles is why I am saying you are attempting to apply an ethical standard that cannot function.

If each community can decide its laws, and not have them overruled by some other authoritarian group, then its effectively a voluntary anarchistic solution in any case. The democratic confederalism you described, however, does not appear to be this. It appears to be yet another rehashing of the great american experiment, which has now shown no matter how small the government you start with, it eventually will attempt to become an empire.