A conversation
Anarchist: I'm going to start a bakery.
Statist: Oh yeah? How are you going to do that?
A: I'll rent a commercial property, put some ovens in it, hire some bakers...
S: Where are you going to find a property? In this utopian vision of yours, you think a building is just going to sprout up out of the ground?
A: Actually, there are already a few in my area that I've looked at. Some have been there for a while, maybe 20 years.
S: Oh yeah? Who built them?
A: I don't know... A contractor I suppose. But they're there. I can show you some pictures if you like.
S: Well, I'd have to see it in person to believe it. Where will you find the ovens?
A: I'll buy them - here's the pamphlet from LEWCO.
S: Yeah? How are you going to get the ovens delivered? By teleportation?
A: They'll use trucks, I imagine.
S: Where will they get the trucks?
A: Auto manufacturers... General Motors.
S: Where will they get the oil?
A: Shell, BP... there are a lot of petrol stations around.
S: And where will they get it?
A: Oil rigs off the coast of Canada perhaps.
S: Oh yeah, and I suppose they're going to transport it by truck too - but they can't, because they need oil to move the trucks in the first place. Where are they going to refine it? And using what process?
A: I don't know, personally. I'm not in that business of oil. I just want to run the bakery.
S: Aha! So you admit you don't know how your business is going to function, how you're going to get the resources to run it. If you're proposing this new system of a bakery, and you don't even know how something so basic as the refinement of oil, how do you expect investors to believe that this is anything more than a pipe dream? Just face it - the whole thing is ridiculous. Obviously if you want to propose a business model, it's your responsibility to know exactly how it will work - otherwise, how is anyone going to accept it?
How do things work in a free society? How do they work at all?
This is how some people behave when confronted with the idea of a free, stateless society - the idea that law, arbitration and public utilities will not be provided by a state - putting the complete burden of demonstrating how everything is going to work on the person proposing the idea. The problem is, they've never given a thought to how most of the systems around them work, and they haven't noticed that 99% of them work so well that they never have to think about it.
Those things already exist
Many people might come back with the argument that things like bakeries and oil refineries already exist, and so we don't need to worry about how they will be operated. Actually, many systems which can be used in law and other public services already exist, such as Bitnation, private arbitration, private roads - even private police.
If the USSR had declared that they were going to de-nationalise their oil industry, nobody would have freaked out, paralysed with fear that oil refineries are so complex, that they cannot possibly be managed by anybody other than government. Why would it be the case with police, courts and roads? Are those things so sacred, so holy, that they can only be performed by an ordained minister of the state? What could possibly be so special about roads?
A market for violence, and a market for peace
The argument that Ayn Rand makes is that the state's only function is to provide violence, and obviously competition in violence would be awful. The problem with this argument is, the reason people desire a state (ideally) is not to provide violence, but to maintain peace.
It's very rare to meet someone who wants violence for the sake of violence - even someone who is very pro-war usually takes that position because they care about the protection of themselves and their loved ones, and even someone who calls for the imprisonment of potheads, only does it because they believe it makes society safer and prevents the potheads from "harming" themselves. They call for the service of the state, because they want peace.
Imagine if you had twenty firms in your neighbourhood, competing to make it peaceful. Would it be more peaceful, or less peaceful than if you had one firm, with a monopoly? Why?
Conclusion
Unless it's our business, we generally don't need to know exactly how something functions, for it to function. If there is a demand for something, such as peace, then people can figure out how to provide it. It won't always be easy, and there will be challenges along the way, but the value of a peaceful, civilised society based on mutual respect is worth more than any number of years you can name, or any amount of effort you can think of. We can learn to live together.
About me
My name is Kurt Robinson. I grew up in Australia, but now I live in Guadalajara, Jalisco. I write interesting things about voluntaryism, futurism, science fiction, travelling Latin America, and psychedelics. Remember to press follow so you can stay up to date with all the cool shit I post, and follow our podcast where we talk about crazy ideas for open-minded people, here: @paradise-paradox, and like us on Facebook here - The Paradise Paradox
Some other cool posts
Here are some other posts of mine to check out:
Liberty in a nutshell: 3 quick arguments to make you think about smashing the state
Freedom trumps fear: Everything you do is an act of liberty
Automation: An age of unseen prosperity
Choose Liberty, or Choose Domination
If you don't know how each and every thing will be accomplished without government, you are a utopian fool!
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Then I claim the title with pride! Haha.
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Great post! Was it partially inspired by my post about Ayn Rand?
It's always frustrating to hear that argument against anarchism - that since we can't know everything about the future, it's not worth the risk to try. If statists had been able to know the future of the state, they would have never agreed to statism. Oh, wait...they did know what states become and they still agreed to it - and still currently support it! Their opinions about and objections to anarchism are worthless.
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Yes, I definitely had Rand's arguments brought to the front of my mind because of your post. Also, my friend just posted a video of Rand today on Facebook. You know something funny - feminists in anglophonic countries would never be caught dead reading Rand, but many feminists in other countries seem to love her.
Hahah. If they fully understood the implications, probably.
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Yeah. That's true about feminists here in the US.
And I realized after I posted my comment that many statists would still agree to statism, even if they knew the consequences. So, I guess I'm wrong about that.
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Well, I hope they wouldn't. Time will tell.
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why does a certain group of feminists dislike Rand?
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I don't know exactly. Certain people describe her as a "right-wing bitch". That probably has something to do with it.
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The "conversation" sounded a lot, and painfully like most conversations I have with my Aspie son. If I don't know how the oil is made and delivered then how could I possibly run a bakery! sigh always an idiot in his eyes because I admit I don't know all the answers. But my policy is not to be all-knowing. I just want to do good things and live a fairly simple and honest life. #DoGoodThings
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He's got an insatiable thirst for knowledge, I suppose. I know I used to bother my mum with endless questions too.
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Well said
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Cheers!
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Had no idea where you were going with the conversation and then.... BOOM, the stateless analogy! Perfect! You, sir, have the lobes for the opportunity of punchlines! I ''ear'' you: let's do it and stop worrying about figuring it all at once!
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This is the best analogy I've seen yet for how dumb it is to demand that anarchists supply all the answers for every minute detail of how a stateless society would work. I'm saving it to my Pocket so that I can refer future internet warriors to it. Thanks!
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Great, thanks Starr
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Great way to show the foolishness of statist arguments against anarchy, except many (most?) statists find the idea of starting a business almost as terrifying as living in a voluntary society.
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Yes, it depends where you live though. Here in Mexico, everybody knows a little something about starting a business, but when I lived in Australia, there always seemed to be an assumption that it takes a special kind of person to open a business. Weird, isn't it?
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Excellent content and great blog congradulations on such well wrtten material kudos to you keep up the great ideas!
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I see what you did there!
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Well put. I guess the impulse of "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" will be playing a part for many statists. Which i can sympathise with, at least while they haven't yet heard anything about how a stateless society could function.
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Yes, I suppose it takes some skill to see how things might work. You have to have a little imagination, a little entrepreneurship, and even a little faith to say, maybe things can function in a completely different way to the one I've always known.
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