Hi @anitap !!
A few clarifying questions:
we do need taxes
Who is "we"?
not everyone in a government is out to get the country's citizens
What does "out to get" mean? How is it possible to expropriate an individual's property and expropriate it simultaneously? Given that "citizen" is legally defined as someone who owes allegiance for protection, how can it be demonstrated that anyone owes allegiance to an expropriator? Absent this reciprocal obligation, how do you prove citizens exist?
benefits you receive from taxes
How does returning a portion of my stolen money to me constitute a benefit given that I would have preferred to spend it how I choose instead of on war and welfare?
Had you not been taxed, then you would not think of everyone
What's your evidence of this claim?
which means the roads that everyone needs would not be built
What's your evidence of this claim?
there would be no police officers to protect you from physical violence
What's your evidence of this claim?
While these services can be privatized they also lend more power to the richest few of the world which means the further growth of economic inequality.
What's your evidence of this claim? Why would this justify theft and murder, if true?
No governance is great, but we have not reached a point where we can work without governance.
Again, who is we? Are you saying that you want people to force me to pay them? Why wouldn't I be able to do work without being forced to pay people calling themselves government?
Thanks for the comment!
I guess I should apologize for make such normative statements, I am honestly giving my opinion on the matter that's all.
'We' is meant to refer to humanity at large, not addressing any particular government. Any reference to the benefits of paying taxes is also meant to refer to the benefits of paying taxes in well managed societies where the citizens reap benefits of the taxes, perhaps examples such as Denmark, or Sweden.
The benefits received aren't meant to constitute individual wants but instead a society's needs.
I do not have any evidence of my claims, so I am stuck there. But if you ever find a society where the members are altruistic enough to spend resources for the benefit of everyone, count me in.
Also I am not from wherever you are in the world so I am not trying to say you're wrong and taxes are benefiting you, I was just presenting a counter argument stating taxes can be beneficial.
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People are not altruistic enough so we need government... made up of people.
You should check your logic there.
You don't pay taxes. They take taxes whether you consent or not. Taking something without the consent of the owner can be called many things. If it's property that is taken you call it theft, if it's sexual you call it rape, etc. Obviously consent is a very important aspect of human relationships. A civilized society would not have, at it's core, principals that violate consent.
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