Good Anarchist - Bad Anarchist with Adam N. Williams &amp; Larken Rose: Video Number One

jamiewynacht (42) · 8 years ago

This pig could not explain at all how a society can create security without sacrificing Liberty. It's no shock, since his job is to steal and oppress.

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consentist (25) · 8 years ago (edited)

@jamiewynacht, he is a human being, not a pig. Based on his response, it sounds to me like he has not considered the scope of strategies that could be utilized to meet the need for security without sacrificing Liberty. I hope that these exchanges cause him to further reflect on that question, especially considering the profession he chose to enter into. <3

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riceowladam (52) · 8 years ago

Agreed

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riceowladam (52) · 8 years ago

I don't think he deserves to be called that, but yes - the job of the order follower is to enforce arbitrary laws.

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chris70x7 (28) · 8 years ago

The Apaches didn't have military leaders in the traditional sense. They had warriors with voluntary followings. Geronimo was the most famous example. They led by example and other warriors fell in behind them.

For this reason, they were the most difficult nation for the US government to defeat. Every time an Apache military leader was killed, more simply rose up organically from the ranks.

This is a much more secure structure for society. They outlasted every other native nation in the face of US aggression because of their non-hierarchical relationships.

They were finally defeated when the leaders were corrupted and cynicism demoralized them.

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riceowladam (52) · 8 years ago

Excellent point

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lisa3vol (37) · 8 years ago

Good conversation. Would have liked to have seen more follow up especially from Larken addressing some of the moral issues regarding law enforcement. Cole brought up scenarios that were obvious because they were direct acts of aggression. Asking Cole questions regarding arbitrary laws i.e. traffic infractions (forcing people off road), victimless "crimes", and how that relates to moral relativism.

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riceowladam (52) · 8 years ago

Thanks, agreed.

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consentist (25) · 8 years ago

I am still listening to the video, but I wanted to point out that the sound quality is sub-par. There seems to be some sort of digital interference. I can still make out what is being said, but having to decipher it is somewhat mentally exhausting.

Other than that, this is a great format so far and the host does a great job at mediation. :)

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riceowladam (52) · 8 years ago

Thanks! The guest had a sub-par connection so that shouldn't be an issue next time. Larken is in PA and I'm in Holland so I was happy it came out as well as it did.

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consentist (25) · 8 years ago

I just finished the episode. That was a great exchange of questions & answers! You and Larken found a great interviewee, too! I have to say it was shocking to see Cole say "the world needs more people like you" to Larken, haha!

Adam, this is one of the first times I've had exposure to your work, and based on your chill, up-beat and respectful attitude, I am very much looking forward to seeing more of what you have to share.

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riceowladam (52) · 8 years ago

Thanks very much! Connect with me on Facebook: Adam N. Williams

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arabon (25) · 8 years ago

Adam! Great vid! I'm looking forward to more of these. I may inbox you later with a few Q's if that's cool.

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elissahawke (61) · 8 years ago

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riceowladam (52) · 8 years ago

I don't get it? :)

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crypto-toll (49) · 8 years ago

Well done Mr. Nice Guy, watching it now...

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jaredd (25) · 8 years ago

wow great first episode guys. love all the respect you all had for each other as people first this was probably the most civil discussion about morality between law enforcement and anarchists i've ever witnessed.

look forward to more episodes

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scooterrockets (25) · 8 years ago (edited)

A good, but brief dialogue. A couple of observations... notice how Cole had to use qualifiers in front of every response. This is usually a strong indicator of a moral conflict in the mind. Larken was not nearly as fundamental as he usually is, and let Cole off the hook on pretty much every topic (his topics or Cole's). But most important in my view, is the missed opportunity to nail down this persistent fallacy that morals and rights come from somewhere else. Throughout my years of research, blogging etc, I kept landing on the same two laws applicable to every individual: 1) agress against no living being or the planet, 2) for those that can't seem to get #1... vigorously defend life and the innocent. That's it. Also, Cole's attempt to imply that his job is necessary because people are cowards, must be examined in the context that he is looking at a society that has used these fallacies to govern itself for so long that it has created these cowards. In other words, people are under the mistaken impression that the condition of the world is not their problem or their fault. Well then, who's problem and who's fault is it?

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