In my opinion it's the worst that I've seen in my lifetime and I think it may be the worst or one of the worst in US history.. I'm of the personal belief it's rigged all the way from the voting machines to the electoral college to the media, but really? These are the "choices"? (Or illusion of choices)
Seems pretty pathetic in context and like a good argument for anarchy when the system is so awful you can't find a single representative that represents you. When our founders got so upset at taxation without representation, I wonder.. Who represents me? None of these high level politicians or government people represent me.
So.. Taxation without representation is bad, but.. It's okay to claim you're my representative and then tax even more and do all these other things like wage aggressive wars?
I hope there comes a day when people no longer look to others to represent them so much, and people can represent themselves more.
read my lips, no new taxes. every one that i remember has been some kind of atrocity or other. all the way back to Reagan/Carter. here is Michael Dukakis in the campaign against bush the greater.
image: http://www.capoliticalreview.com
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I tend to agree.. Though I do think some are worse than others, and this crop is the worst I've personally witnessed.
I mean.. We were suppose to be rebelling from tyranny by coming over here and founding this nation, yet we came over here and became arguably even worse tyrants than those we were rebelling against by slaughtering between 10 and 100 million or more natives.
I'm not sure if we've ever had a good president. Seems like they were all corrupt in one way or another.
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I would have to agree. This Presidential election is the worst ever in my short years actually voting and I am 29 years old. I would rather have Obama have his third term (even though I truly disagree with him on TPP and other issues) than Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. It's flat out laughable the choices that myself and a lot of the USA folks have to choose. I rather bet on Bovada for this race than actually making my decision. It is just flat out cruddy.
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Whoa.. That's a scary thought.. When Obama is less scary than the two people who are suppose to be competing to replace him.. Far too often what's happening in the world reminds me of like some science fiction horror movie or something. :|
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we have a hard time getting accurate news as to what happened yesterday 6PM in our own neighborhood. the research involved in getting even a marginal hint of why america rebelled would span multiple degrees. rebelling against tyranny takes many forms. the best estimate i have been able to dig up of total tax burden levied against the average individual american colonist by the crown was 17%. if we include all taxes, fees, fines, tariffs levied against americans today by our own government, it reaches 2-3 times that. including obamacare, which the supreme court said is a tax, it goes higher still. there were other aspects of tyranny but that was the tax burden. most of the natives died from disease, imported by some of our ancestors, and not deliberately spread with blankets. there were atrocities on both sides but any standard of civilized equity that can be described as decent and forward thinking came from western europe. this is where the abolition of slavery came from. again see the statement about local news from 6PM yesterday. leaders come and leaders go. i don't think we've had a leader in a long time. other than being straight up bought, i think all we have these days are politicians, not leaders. at least we don't have atilla the hun, genghis khan, or stalin, and at least ostensibly, we don't live under a monarchy.
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I can generally agree, we have evolved a bit. Though it the grand scheme.. The reality seems more like technology evolved enough to not need so many ground troops anymore cause our leaders are still doing some pretty barbaric things, now they just do it from the sky and it seems like "progress" cause less people die. Which.. in a sense it is.. I agree. But.. In a sense it's not. Especially to those innocent people who are getting bombed and killed. To them, I don't think it matters much whether it's Ghengis Khan or Obama, or Bush, Or Clinton, or whoever..
"we have a hard time getting accurate news as to what happened yesterday 6PM in our own neighborhood. "
I do very much agree with this, and I'm a very skeptical person so when I speak in a historical sense it's usually like what is accepted history. I do understand the difference and realize I wasn't back there and don't know it all, but.. I tend to operate under a historical model when talking about such things. Though I do get your point.
I'm not sure I can agree with this. I don't think anyone really knows, just like you mentioned above. But.. Even if it was mostly disease it was still caused by us. And it wasn't totally inadvertently that they nearly got entirely wiped out. Some of our founders are quoted as wanting to pretty much extinct them.. And they almost did.
Our founders weren't the greatest of people either.. There's quotes from many of them speaking of the natives as savages that need to pretty much be exterminated like animals. And many of them owned slaves themselves while promoting freedom which is kind of hypocritical in my opinion.
I suggest looking into the "American Holocaust" If you're not familiar with it.. It's not really known how bad it was, some experts thing as I mentioned before between 10 million to over 100 million.. That's quite a gap of mystery.. We really don't know just how bad it was, but we know enough to know they slaughtered tons of innocents and wanted to pretty much wipe them out and ultimately almost did.
I think it's pretty clear what we did to them was prolly worse than what our tyrants did to us. But either way. History is a bit foggy eh? It's hard to know for sure. Though many of our founders were some pretty ruthless people as well.
Agreed. There might be some leaders behind the scenes in the secret societies, but I think presidents and politicians are mostly puppets.. And those leaders behind the scenes don't represent me either, no matter how much they think they do.
"and at least ostensibly, we don't live under a monarchy."
True. The illusion of freedom, is better than the opposite. And we do have some real tangible freedoms, I admit that. In other places I'd get like shot for saying some of this kinda stuff.. I acknowledge that but doesn't mean we shouldn't keep striving to do even better. :)
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i have enough native to get college funds. my uncles have so much they don't grow facial hair. i've looked into how they lived and whoever wants it can keep it. there were atrocities committed on both sides. here's something, not saying the guy is 100% correct but, his citations check out, so far.
https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/47655-youtube-the-truth-about-the-native-american-genocide/
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Nope. I been around for a while. This is the only time I've seen the choices as bad as in the movie: Brewster's Millions:
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Lol.. I've never seen that movie. Looks good though! Thanks for sharing.
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The two people in the main parties selected to run for president are disgraceful. It just shows you how far the country has fallen.
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actually both candidates were selected by the liberal democrats.
twelve million democrats crossed over in the primary to select trump, then crossed back over to vote in the general.
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Not sure I know what you mean by both candidates being selected by democrats? Can you expand on that a lil?
I've never met someone yet who could prove their vote was counted.. How do we know who selected who? I think it was done ahead of time by the secret societies, but I can't prove it.
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Nothing quiet so exotic as secret societies. In fact it was orchestrated in plain view on the radio. Rush Limbaugh suggested and promoted Operation Chaos
..... on his radio show, conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh suggested he may “reactivate” his 2008 “operation chaos,” in which he urged his listeners to participate in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary and vote for then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) against the eventual nominee, then-Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), in order to prolong the Democratic Party’s primary contest.
That's pretty much what happened, in reverse
from 2000 to 2008 there was a change in Primary votes of 10-12 million. Ten million more Republicans and 12 million less Democrats.
where did the Democrats go? Did they stay home? Oddly enough they must have been listening to Rush Limbaugh because.
Trump only got about 3.3 million Republican Votes. The rest are Democrats, approximately 12 million of them.
The election was stolen. Trump would be in fourth, or worse, without Democrats
12 million Democrats crossed over to ensure that Trump would be elected. Then they crossed back over to vote for Hillary in the General. While they were gone Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie then Poor (remember he was poor) bought a $600,000 house on the lake shore. AFTER he endorsed Hillary, something that he'd swore he'd never do. Odd that.
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"from 2000 to 2008 there was a change in Primary votes of 10-12 million. Ten million more Republicans and 12 million less Democrats.
where did the Democrats go? Did they stay home? "
I dunno. Since I've never met a person who can prove to me their vote even counted, I'm very skeptical of all these numbers you throw out.
"12 million Democrats crossed over to ensure that Trump would be elected. Then they crossed back over to vote for Hillary in the General. While they were gone Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie then Poor (remember he was poor) bought a $600,000 house on the lake shore. AFTER he endorsed Hillary, something that he'd swore he'd never do. Odd that."
I'm not sure you can prove all that, but I'm open to the possibility and I appreciate you sharing your point of view.
And the whole Bernie buying a 600k summer house on top of his other two properties that are worth around that much as well while claiming to be a voice of the people is pretty hilarious.. What's crazy is how many people still support him and believe in him.
"Nothing quiet so exotic as secret societies. "
Doesn't have to do with what's more exotic or less, it has to do with what makes sense to me in my opinion. I used to be much more skeptical of secret society stuff, now I'm not. Partly due to personal experiences and knowing people in secret societies. Partly to other reasons.
We can agree to disagree but since I've never met someone who could prove their vote counted, I'm not convinced any election wasn't rigged beforehand.
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The collective intelligence of a group is inversely proportional to it's size. If a group is large..it's stupid. Committees have been accused of having 'all mouth and no brain.' How can something so stupid keep a secret?
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ummm...if you're skeptical of the numbers you might read the article. The author of which explains, step by step, how he come up with them. You are welcome to do the math yourself. Let us know what you come up with.
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"The collective intelligence of a group is inversely proportional to it's size. If a group is large..it's stupid. Committees have been accused of having 'all mouth and no brain.' How can something so stupid keep a secret?"
I don't necessarily think this is a fair statement.
But I mean.. I've never heard of anyone genuinely getting into Area 51 and speaking out about it have you? They fly in unmarked jets of workers in there every day, yet no one really knows what goes on inside there except for those inside there.
There's tons of examples in history of secrets being kept by big groups and many we'll prolly never learn about because they remained a secret.
Heck they keep classifying the JFK files all these years later.
Most secret or initiatic societies report members in the millions or less. Oftentimes it's in the thousands.. Yet, I don't really think size has much to do with it.. but rather how dedicated to the secrecy the members are.
Just what has been revealed by history over hundreds and thousands of years is fascinating enough, though that's only what has been revealed. Much we find out in the future if we are fortunate and much will never know. Because they did a good job keeping those secrets.
"ummm...if you're skeptical of the numbers you might read the article. The author of which explains, step by step, how he come up with them. You are welcome to do the math yourself. Let us know what you come up with."
What math is there to do really if we can't verify a single vote? You can say so and so voted and so many voted, but if you can't even verify a single vote.. What does any of that really mean?
This is one of my main problems with the whole voting system and why so many still support it without any kind of way of even knowing if their vote even mattered or was counted..
There's been a lot of voter and election fraud in history which has come out. So there's plenty of reasons to be skeptical, yet.. with out a single person ever being able to show me their vote even mattered.. That's even more reason to be skeptical. How can you verify much of anything if you can't verify one basic foundational elementary necessary part of the whole process?
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Good point. It's pretty bad. We have no real choice this time. Did we ever?
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It's a good question. And one I wish more people would ponder. I don't know the answer. Though I lean in the more pessimistic direction in regards to that one.
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