RE: So I encountered an Anarcho-Communist and this is my discussion/debate invitation...

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So I encountered an Anarcho-Communist and this is my discussion/debate invitation...

in anarchy •  8 years ago  (edited)

In Cuba, Russia and other communist countries there were always discussions of the "New Man", an admirable individual who was not interested in selfish gain but only in the welfare of the entire society and it was thought that these altruistic people were what was needed for communism to work. The only problem was there were none, nobody thought in this way and how ever hard they strived the commies never managed to change this fundamental aspect of human nature.
If the world became completely Ancap, charities could replace the welfare state, technology and machines could create an abundance of food and energy, travel and housing could become extremely inexpensive, possibly even free. At this point real anarcho-communism would emerge as status in society would not be found though material wealth but by the importance of the individual's contribution to society.
The "New Man" would come into existence! How many generations will it be?

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That was kind of what I was getting at. If the anarcho-communist ideal would work it could emerge from anarcho-capitalism as I described it. There is nothing in ancap prohibiting that... or much else for that matter.

Yet even here when someone posts and is rewarded we have so many people shouting with envy and hostility. This very thing is indicative why socialism and communism would not work now.

They SOUND GREAT until you think about them seriously and follow them to their conclusion...

"all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs" - is a huge issue. I am a person with a lot of abilities. If I ended up with a position in that society where people had similar abilities that they DID NOT BOTHER to use and they were receiving the same as me then why would I be motivated to work my ass off. There really would be no benefit. And still someone else deciding my needs and what my abilities are worth is A STATE.

Capitalism the market decides the value of what I DO with my abilities.

Most FEEL GOOD stuff fails as soon as any form of human nature enters it.

COMPASSION is only compassion if you were in a situation where you could choose to help someone or not, and you chose to do so. If a state is helping people without your choice then that has nothing to do with compassion.

Furthermore, I have ZERO interest in helping people who have no interest in helping themselves. I do like potentially helping people that I know might DO something with my help. So whether people who don't do shit die from not doing shit... being totally honest. I don't care. If that makes me not compassionate, so be it. I've helped a lot of people in my life, including those I shouldn't have, and some of my attempts to help people have resulted in direct harm to my family.