A friend said to me a few weeks ago the future is going to be a battle between socialist and libertarians. A battle between those who want to control and those who wish to be left alone. I think he may be right. Legality honestly means nothing to me. Morality is more important. If my side was in the battlefield at this time I may consider joining. I think for myself not as part of any collective. Libertarians and anarchist sometimes cannot stop fighting with each other to actually do anything ( like every political party). Our Facebook groups constantly get infiltrated by commies stirring up shit( guess we deserve that as much as we publicly troll them). So for the moment as a anarchist yeah I'm going to sit back and watch it burn.
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I think most Trump supporters are basically Libertarian. Constitutional Libertarians if that's a thing. The political Party names don't mean much any more. Half the 'Independents' are disillusioned Democrats (what used to be classical Liberal) and Socialist Bernie supporters and supposed 'centrists' who think everyone should 'compromise'. Usually that compromise does not include the Constitution but rather the current majority vs minority opinion.
Anyway, what do you think will be accomplished by not being involved in making the change? What is your next move when it all comes crashing down?
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Libertarians love to tell other libertarians how they aren't real libertarians so good luck with that lol. Spreading information and pissing off liberals is my part in this fight. If I don't get blocked by a few liberals and a get a few death threats from extreme conservatives I haven't done my job. Assuming it all did come crashing down. Tough question would depend on the scenario.
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Well I'm not even sure what a Libertarian is sny more. I don't think anyone fits in these political boxes at all. Imo it comes down to pro-American Constitutionalists vs anti-American anti-Constitutionalists. Regardless of whether someone's a Socialist, Progressive (not even sure what that's supposed to be), a Postmodernist (white-prividge- retribution for past 'injustices'etc) and yes anarchists, all of you are anti-Constitutionalists and basically anti-American. Anti-American in my view does not neccessarily mean bad person. It's someone who dislikes our Reublic (what America is) and wants it 'changed'. I love you because you're my Steemit bud ...;) (I hope) [pun intended...lol]...but I'm sad that you're not helping us restore law & order.
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google liberland. It's a new country just founded based on libertarian/ancap principals. we'll see how it goes. My money is on successful.
The constitution itself is socialist. That part right there about the government coining and determining the value of money that's socialist and it fails every time. Only the market can determine what is acceptable currency and what its value is, no one entity can do this. Our government has taken this a step further and let a third party constantly print and devalue our money. Also forced flag worship is another form of socialism. Government is good at pulling on peoples heart strings to make them feel certain ways about things and demonize others who think outside of the spectrum. Another thing I don't believe I've said this yet because I yell it all day on facebook but taxation is theft. If you feel differently try not paying them. They will take it from you no matter what, the irs has a plan to collect taxes in the event of nuclear fallout they have swat teams as well.
When it comes to the commies and socialist I'm on your team. I would like nothing more than to watch every single last one of them be dropped from a helicopter
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You are totally correct in all this government corruption including the Federal Reserve, the qe printing that's wrecking havoc on World markets let alone our own. Every negative aspect you see, I see as well. We agree on so damn much! The difference betwen us entirely revolves around your 'hope' that your way would work better than the Republic way but I just can't help but to think that you haven't let enough deep thought (from our founders point of view) into your vision. Our founders already had this arguement!!! The same 'old' arguement of no government. Why you believe the 21st century version of it (like Socialists believe 'their' version of Marxism) to be now needing RE-argued is beyond me. You obviously have not finished watching the Jordan Peterson videos have you? Because UNTIL you do that, until you're willing to think AS DEEP as our founders did, about THE issues 'they' thought about, (and CAME TO AGREEMENT on btw) which is precisely what Peterson does,..if you're too busy or not into it or whatever to even go that deep? Then I don't see how you can even be so sure of your ideology. Just mho.
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I don't get your point? Liberland is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. You don't believe in Central government. Why have me check them out?
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They are starting off like America but different.
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But what does that have to do with anything? It's a centralized government. We already went through that 'formation' stage. It doesn't show that you can go from a Constitutional Republic to no government ..?
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Not yet. It's brand new. It's also a voluntary society is what I was trying to point out but Google hasn't got much info yet.
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You become an anarchist when you become so disillusioned with government corruption that you fall into an anti-government mindset because it's easier to complain than to actually do something real to change things. It's kind of like the Socialists who decry poverty and volunteer everyone else's money to fix it. I have many relatives like that. It's like the Social Justice Warrior who kneels at the flag decrying bigotry while actually..practicing bigotry...lol The Anarchist can sit back and dream about the imaginary better World we'll have when our Republic colapses without really doing much to prove it even possible. https://steemit.com/jordan-paterson/@julzee/jordan-peterson-on-the-psychological-signifigance-of-the-biblical-stories-part-3
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I can't even comprehend no law. You say legal doesn't matter to you. That morality is what matters. Don't you see that's EXACTLY what Socialists say? They have their 'vision' of what 'their' moral World looks like and our Constitution is a barrier to forming their utopian caring government. You do the exact same thing if our current law means nothing to you. You donxt mean 'any' law, you mean 'your' law. But not all Americans believe in the same morality so how is yours any more vslid than any one else's?
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Natural law can be broken down very simply. Either you took something that didn't belong to you ( yes rape and murder fall here) or you didn't. If you did it can either be made right or it can't and you should die(rapeos and murderers should die). Now you ask who is going to enforce such rules. Well this depends. If you choose to live in a community and they decide to voluntarily fund a police force and private courts. Now if you choose to live out on a homestead away from civilization it's up to you the individual to protect yourself.
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Then ask yourself this question. Do bad people follow the law? Criminals don't fear the jury or jail so if they don't fear their victims is the law really keeping it in control or only providing the illusion of control
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Yes but not everyone has the same interpretation of natural law. A muslim believes natural law to be very different than America's version of natural law. That's 'why' we enshrined 'our' interpretation in our Constitution. Without that Constitution, (or at least a majority population who 'believes' enough in that Constitution to actually 'protect' it), who says 'your' version of natural law is the one the population would see as valid. You're assuming that your interpretation is correct. Others believe theirs to be correct. Ergo THE NEED for a central base (government) to define this. It's exactly what our system is supposed to be. THE least amount of government humanly possible to provide that base that humankind CANNOT live without. You may call your nonaggression agreement as not a government but it actually is. The only difference between your proposed government and our Republic is that our Republic is proven to work regardless of what someone feels natural law is. Our version is LAW!
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It's law to people who respect laws. I get that argument a lot what I'm proposing is a government. It's whatever you and your community want. If government really did stay out of our lives them there wouldn't be a problem but people have rolled over giving up freedoms for a false sense of security since our country was founded
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How can you say that if government stayed out of our lives there wouldn't be any problems? Of course there'd be huge problems. Without a central authority you become multiple communities fighting multiple other communities who don't respect your version of morality. The only reason Americans have..uh used to have a pretty common morality is because it was our religion & then became law, through that central government. Had we never formed this Republic, we never would have this core belief in our version of natural law.
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Lol seriously? You mean the barbaric 'tribal' Afghanistan-like Indians who murdered, pilagged & stole lands from eachother? Oh yeah, I forgot, all others before us were so much more pure than our Imperialist barbaric Nation...lol
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I'd prefer such tribal warfare, which was largely treated more like a sport than total war anyway, over modern nation states drone-bombing civilians and imposing police state rule. And there is no guarantee that it would even be like that. We have football now, and open trade encourages peace. You might want to look up Xeer law, too.
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