RE: Anarchy Misunderstood

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Anarchy Misunderstood

in anarchy •  5 years ago 

Right, you don't know what I mean by profit.

Profit means you gain something over someone else. You take extra. It's additional. I don't think we need profit in a society. I'm content mowing everyone's lawns if it meant I had no need to spend money on housing or other necessities. I don't think I should get a higher rank on the Capitalist Leaderboard because of it.

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Who decides what is "extra" or "too much," though? Everyone has different value scales. There is no absolute value in anything. It isn't a physical property like mass or energy.

In the market, gaining monetary profit means providing something other people valued more than the money they paid. This only indicates a problem when that market is restricted by force, which is only possible in the long term under political influence. Your concept of a "capitalist leader board" doesnt't really describe my goals or philosophy at all.

If there is enough demand compared to the supply, you could mow lawns and be assured of housing and food. Money, prices, and markets decentralize the economy so you can make a good estimation of whether that is feasable. Unfortunately, the housing market is heavily distorted now by decades of political intervention, money supply inflation, interest rate manipulation, etc. and we need to fix that problem so a trend toward price equilibrium can be restored. Removing money, prices, and profit from the equation altogether doean't fix the root problem, and instead only removes the possibility for any rational economic calculation whatsoever.

That said, if I am really wrong in these matters, I am the first to say, "you should be free to compete with us in the market of ideas and voluntary association so you have a chance to prove us wrong." That is how our actual ideas work, after all.

The natural end line of what you profess to believe in is what we have now. Where people have hundreds of billions and over half the planet is starving.

The only way to prevent that is government intervention or organizing a better society from the get go. Since we aren't playing Minecraft, the latter is less likely to occur. We have a state apparatus, pretending it's going to disappear tomorrow is stupid and silly. We should use this apparatus to get the world back under control before we expand into those realms.

Again, I understand history and you don't. All you are is theory, and while you're writing Minecraft Fan Fictions, 40,000 people a year are dying in the USA because they can't afford basic medicinal needs. It's homicidal and delusional to profess these "beliefs" without a reasonable path to achieving them.

If you are going to misinterpret what I actually wrote to that degree, there is no hope for constructive discussion here.

We the people decide what is too much. The problem with ancap garbage is that it is inherently anti-democratic. And again, you have no actual plan to implement your ideology in the current age and it's nothing but nonsenseical theories. You can pretend I'm "misinterpreting" what you're writing, but actually I know more about your own theory than you do and you just haven't really figured out how to implement it (because you can't) and instead of realizing how silly it sounds you just want to sound like an edgy cool kid with a cool kids philosophy.

Theory is great, but if we're gonna devise theories, we should really make ones where millions aren't suffering, because why should we spend so much time writing fantasy worlds when they're all bad?

Still open to a discord conversation if you think voice communication would be easier than talking once every 15 hours.

Democracy has no inherent virtue. Why should an ignorant majority override the knowledgeable minority or individual?

Liberty requires no implementation plan. It requires rejecting and dismantling the State. Cryptocurrency is one of many tools we can use to undermine their monopoly. Revolutions and violent overthrow sound sexy, but history shows a consistent trend of new totalitarian regimes as the result. Time to try something new, don't you think?

People are suffering. I don't deny that. But you placing the blame at the feet the free market advocate is beyond senseless. It is the market process that has lifted much of the world out of poverty today despite government wars, prohibitions, corporate cronyism, and interventions.
I want people to be free to build, associate, and trade in their own terms without you, me, or the government trying to dictate how they must do so. I advocate the market because it seems to me to be nest, but I wouldn't coerce you to participate. I only demand that you not coerce me into your system, either. But your posts here betray your authoritarian intent against me.

Democracy has no inherent virtue. Why should an ignorant majority override the knowledgeable minority or individual?

ahhh there it is.

You will never be in the Elite

You will never be one of them

They will always have more than you

You think this because they want you to.

Time to try something new, don't you think?

You're a puppet. There's more than one way to bring about peaceful and meaningful change. Pretending everyone wants a "revolution" is bizarre and stupid, and it goes against your own beliefs.

Pretending that because I want to save 40,000 people per year in the USA is "authoritarian intent" is where your stupidity becomes homicidal. You present no path to move forward other than wishy washy theories that only help the billionaire class and only hurt you and everyone like you because you have bizarre and impossible dreams of becoming one of them. You'll never be that. You're a joke, and anyone with half a brain would look at you like you really are: A Clown. A clown that thinks that because they have an internet blog where they can let their stupidity fester unopposed for months and months that it means they've discovered something new and awesome and wonderful, but in reality it's just nothing. You know nothing, which is why your plans have no way of being implemented. It's not because "you can't centrally plan liberty!" it's because you are an idiot who is captured within the confines of their own imagination and doesn't have empathy or care for anyone who is actually being affected by this system.

Again, open to a discussion voice to voice on discord if you want to actually build anything, since your posts reek of ignorance and nonsense, surely you'd be able to articulate them better in a more open forum, no? Haha, didn't think so.

This has nothing to do with joining any "elite." You do not know what is best for me, and vice versa. Adding more people to either side doesn't change that fact.

You want to help people. I get that. So do I. We disagree on the causes of their problem and the best means to address them. Your solution is authoritarian, though. You would demand my compliance, or else, and use the opinions of strangers as justification. And you call names when people point it out to you.

If you're saying that not having access to a doctor is someone's decision and not a society preventing them, then you're homicidal or stupid. I'll go with stupid on this one.

Pretending that a universal healthcare system is "authoritarian" is stupid.

You do not want to help anyone, you said it yourself, you aren't wanting to implement anything. You're doing nothing at all but larping in a fantasy land of theories that makes no sense and will help no one.

40,000 people. Every year. 365 days. 40,000 deaths. Preventable, but you don't want to prevent them. You like watching them suffer, admit it. Nooo, wait, you don't want to watch them suffer, since that hurts your ego. You know they are dying, you know there can be a way to stop them from dying, but you don't care. Actually you'll fight to the death to keep them dying, all to prevent the scary boogey man of "authoritarianism!!!".

Reminder, factually, the best healthcare systems are government funded. Your first principles are homicidal. You are a psychopath.

A scared, cowardly psychopath who is afraid of a real honest conversation on a voice platform. Presumably because you need to outsource your stupid and murderous opinions before spewing them here because you have no real beliefs.

Fucking idiot. This isn't minecraft, stop larping. Saying "I really wish the government wouldn't exist!!!" doesn't help the 40,000 people who died last year. It won't help the ones who died this year. And it won't help the ones who die next year. All it does is make you feel epic and super dooper smart.

Irrational and homicidal. At least admit that like dullhawk and valued whatever did. Don't cling to the charade of wanting to help people, just embrace your selfishness. All you want are video games and jetpacks, who cares about the people who die in the process.

(also reminder universal insurance is cheaper than what we have now, so even if you pretend to cling to "I want lower taxes!!!" pretending to be against it is just homicidal. Not financially conservative, just homicidal.)