Hi creatr,
Well, I am apparently not learning to get around nearly as quickly as you! :-) I just now saw your reply from 6 DAYS AGO! My goodness, God could have re-created everything in as much time.

I understand your point of view about the options for "atoning" for sin, which is indeed poles apart from "forgiveness". Again, to "forgive" at all, it must be freely given; without payment. I think Jesus' blood functions, not as a payment "to God", as though somehow God has to have His forgiveness purchased, or bought off. Rather, I think Jesus' blood functions as a payment to"the law" - effectively appeasing what the law (not God) required. Hebrews 9:22 points this out when it says; "In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Most tend to only read the last part of that verse without considering the first part which says "the law requires..."

Of course, where there is no law, there is no sin (cf. Romans 4:15)

Jesus' humanity is another conversation that I'd be happy to have, and is fact integral to understanding the atonement for what it is; humanity's only hope for immortality. Before you discount the notion altogether, I would at least give John 8:40 a read, as well as John 17:3, and really chew on those two.

Really appreciate you creatr. Thank you!

Peace,
David