sure, but how will you get from place to place?
RE: Have to share this. ATTN: All “Pragmatists” “Let’s All Just Get Along” Types. THIS IS WHAT YOU FAIL TO GRASP.
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Have to share this. ATTN: All “Pragmatists” “Let’s All Just Get Along” Types. THIS IS WHAT YOU FAIL TO GRASP.
That's not the point. Being made to pay for something, no matter how beneficial it may be to myself or anyone else, goes against individual liberty. If someone doesn't want to help pay for the roads, they shouldn't have to.
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Sure, but how do you achieve that? Let's say you want to build a road from point A to point B but someone owns property along the route they don't wish to sell to you, how do you build your road?
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That's the funny thing about freedom. If that property owner doesn't want a road through their property, who are you or anyone else to tell them they have to allow it so other people can benefit?
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someone who needs to get places, like everyone else, doesn't everyone need to get places?
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There's the part that you keep overlooking though. Freedom has nothing to do with what someone else might "need".
To force people to do something they don't want is no one's right. It doesn't matter what "everyone needs", if we have to force that way of being onto everyone.
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On the other hand I have a freedom to go places don't I? A good compromise that we have in the US to these competing freedoms is giving people the fair market value of their property in instances where a road or border wall is needed.
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You have the freedom to go places so long as the land owners allow you passage, sure.
A "good compromise" is to still force that landowner to sell part of their land, whether they want to or not, so long as you're giving them a "fair amount of money" when you take it?
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yes, does this look like a good solution?
Land is just property and when you get the fair market value for it then you can go purchase equivalent land if that is what you want to do.
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You make them a deal they cannot resist. They are paid well to give up a tiny fraction of their land to allow a road to be built. We already have plenty of examples of roads with large turns and other obstacles that were NOT resolved. The state simply bypasses those areas. It can and would be done without theft as it has before.
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Eminent domain is typically that, people are paid market value and holdouts are paid well above market value.
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Pretty sure he's got two legs and a brain, I'd bet he'll figure it out.
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he better learn to fly without roads.
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I imagine he will have to die as private companies cannot, and do not now, already build flat things from point A to point B.
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In fact they cannot and do not now, they are contracted to do so by the government on land the government takes from private individuals.
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You don’t think individuals could work it out for themselves. That’s my point. Read my response to @lucylin. Tired of your spamming BS. Don’t comment here again. I’ve tried to engage you honestly, and you keep bellyaching and making sarcastic quips. If we disagree, we disagree, but there’s no reason to continue disingenuously engaging me in conversation if you have no real desire to understand. You’ve already made up your mind.
The fact remains, Bobby, that a flat thing from point A to point B can be and has been built without a government.
As I said to the other goofball, don’t spam my comment threads anymore, or I’ll apply a silly flag to your inanity. Tired of wasting my time when you’re essentially just playing games. Yes, I am angry! You are correct! Congrats, buddy!
You spit your BS, ignore what is said, and make junior-high-school-type sarcastic jabs without even fact checking shit (our last conversation about Vietnam, for example) and end up wasting my time. Nearly every time.
I liked you, but you’re kind of being a dick. And a bit obtuse. Intentionally, I think.
The whole point of the quote I posted here, and everything I have said to you thus far, is that NOT DOES NOT MATTER whether roads, etc, could be feasible without a centralized monopoly on violence called “the state.” The point is that it is wrong to force people to pay for things against their will, and to not allow them to exercise their nature-conferred ISO. So, whether or not you think non-violent system is possible, is irrelevant. Have your government. Great. Now let the rest of us do as we please in peace as well. Oh wait, we can’t. The state which you support denies each individual their basic human freedom.
Peace.
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All land was stolen.
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eminent domain involves compensation does theft?
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You don't get it; it was never theirs to begin with. Stop paying your property taxes and find out the hard way what you own and don't own. You own something as long as they will let you, regardless of what you paid for it. If eminent domain doesn't work, they will simply condemn the property and take it. This is the exact tactic used by some Cities to build more riverfront marinas in the face of a complete ban on new marinas by the DNR, read the newspapers and/or court documents! They also condemned a Car Dealership to build headquarters for a large electronics retailer. All land was stolen! You can always pretend it didn't happen, but it won't change the facts: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/05/realestate/eminent-domain-revisited-a-minnesota-case.html
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It wasn't stolen, it was taken. When someone steals something from you do you get a hearing?
You could try paying your taxes and then you could keep your property, usually people who can't afford their property taxes can't really afford their property. Do you often agree with the New York Times?
I am not pretending anything didn't happen. When someone steals something from you do they give you $24,000 above market value for it?
Using eminent domain for economic development reasons is controversial but legal.
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