Centuries ago most people would have thought it was impossible for two people who belong to two different religions to be neighbors, yet it happens every day in modern society.
In this same way, it is possible to envision a future world where neighbors have different concepts of economics, culture, and politics, and are still able to live in peace. If we aim to create a stateless society, we must understand the potential hurdles and pitfalls that we may experience along the way. As we have studied revolutionary movements of the past, several areas of concern have consistently appeared in our research.
We hope to remedy these complex situations by providing a balanced perspective into how people of varying beliefs can co-exist. As we have made clear in the previous chapters, we believe society is capable of spontaneously organizing without the need for central authority or government. However, one of the biggest roadblocks to achieving this goal comes from within the “radical” movements themselves.
Namely, the conflict between those who believe private ownership of property is itself an act of violence or theft, and those who believe private property norms are the key to a free society. These different camps have vastly different ideas about economics and culture, which puts them at odds and make it very difficult to form alliances, despite a common enemy in the state. However, these differences are not irreconcilable, and it could be possible for these groups to live side by side if they both adopted an attitude of mutual respect.
Regarding the title of this chapter, Can Propertarians and Non-Propertarians Co-Exist?, we do not intend to argue in favor of complete private ownership or total communal ownership of resources. Our goal is to illustrate that co-existence based on mutual respect and a recognition of individual sovereignty is possible. Many anarchists of the past have sought to determine who is right or wrong in property claims, and who has the moral high ground.
These contributions are valuable, but they have already been discussed at great length in various social circles and publications. Our goal here is not to determine blame or moral high ground, but to predict how free humans would handle disputes in the most civil way possible, since peaceful resolution is in everyone’s best interest. This is not to say that morality is relative or a matter of opinion, morality is a very real and objective thing that centers around the use of force. However, we recognize that not everyone is going to share the same views on topics like this, so it is important to determine how this disagreement could be rectified peacefully.
We believe in panarchism, a true marketplace of ideas where all forms of governance and anarcho-hyphens can compete and cooperate to their liking. During the transitionary period between the state’s total collapse and the establishment of new free communities and collectives, there is great potential for a power vacuum as opposing groups attempt to gain a foothold in the post-state world.
However, we predict that this potentially violent period will be short as people realize that peace and cohabitation is in their own self-interest. If the battle with the state was particularly grave it is highly unlikely that the people will want to continue to wage bloody conflicts among themselves.
This is not to say that conflicts will be non-existent, but we believe mutual respect will make for more manageable conflict resolution. The anarchists involved in the Spanish revolution of 1936 were ultimately crushed by competing factions of communists and statists. This lesson should not be forgotten. Still, we should strive for common ground because the other option is endless conflict.
The world is a beautifully diverse place and will always be so. If we cannot compassionately debate differences of opinion we are doomed to repeat our violent past. As noted in the last chapter, authoritarians of all stripes buy into the illusion that they can force the world to conform to their particular worldview and values, but this is an impossible task, even if one end in the conflict does have the moral high ground. So then, how do we go about achieving this state of mutual respect and healthy conflict resolution? We believe the answer lies in the work of Josiah Warren, America’s first individualist anarchist, abolitionist, and founder of anarchist intentional communities.
Under his leadership, the community of Modern Times, New York lasted several years with thousands of residents without maintaining a police force or court system. Modern Times was also unique in that it did not end in failure as many homesteads did, but instead was swallowed up by the growing United States.
Warren espoused a philosophy based on what he called The Sovereignty of the Individual, a principle which recognized the value in individualism and stressed the need for mutual respect of other free individuals’ right to be free from coercion. He stressed that individuals living in a complex society have interlocking interests and as such, there will be conflicts and there will have to be compromises. Warren was adamant that free people should not impose their will on others and instead allow diversity to reign.
According to Warren, “Liberty, then, is the sovereignty of the individual, and never shall man know liberty until each and every individual is acknowledged to be the only legitimate sovereign of his or her person, time, and property, each living and acting at his own cost; and not until we live in a society where each can exercise his right of sovereignty at all times without clashing with or violating that of others.”
With this principle in mind, let us examine a few scenarios involving conflicting views of property and see if there is a possibility for coexistence. These scenarios represent some of the common objections and most difficult questions to answer.
First, imagine the state has dissolved and people are free to organize and homestead without intervention. In the absence of the state, competing insurance companies would insure people’s property against theft or harm. Now, Imagine we have two adjacent plots of land, plot A and plot B. Plot A is occupied by a farmer, his house, and his crops, all of which he acquired through his own labor.
The farmer on plot A supports private ownership of property. Plot B is unoccupied. However, prior to the state’s collapse the land had been sold to someone who owned the title but never actually homesteaded or made changes to the land.
One day, a group of anarcho-communists discover the two plots of land and decide to homestead plot B.
The AnComs begin planting crops, building shelters, and altering the lay of the land. The farmer from plot A is friends with the man who holds the title to plot B so he decides to question the AnComs about their new settlement. The AnComs insist that it’s obvious no one has lived on or made use of the land and declare themselves the rightful stewards.
The farmer says the title holder to plot B will not be making use of the land. Is it legitimate for the AnComs to occupy and homestead plot B? If the previous owner has no plans to return to dispute and it is clear that no one’s sovereignty will be violated in the process, we believe plot B could be homesteaded without the need for conflict.
Also, if the title holder to plot B came into possession of the land with the assistance of any state privilege then it was not justly acquired and therefore not a legitimate claim.
To satisfy this argument one would need to make reasonable effort to determine whether the property in question was in use. This leads us to a major issue with deciding land claims of this nature: the arguments tend to venture into arbitrary territory which makes it difficult to establish norms.
For example, how long must one wait before homesteading someone else’s unused property? And what qualifies as unused? Also, who decides how much land is “too much” for one person? How do we answer these questions while respecting the sovereignty of each individual?
We think this is an important time to reiterate the need for spontaneous order and discretion based on mutual respect. What we mean is that in a truly free society without imposed central authority there is no way to force or coerce every single person to live according to the property norms of your choosing.
The vast human experience guarantees that we are not always going to agree on complex moral issues, and with that being the case, it is best to find a way to handle these issues without hurting people or throwing them in cages. Of course, there will be rare occasions where violent and unreasonable people will need to be subdued or isolated, but that would be the exception to the rule in a world where people are attempting to avoid the use of oppressive tactics seen throughout history. We imagine a world where some communities implement private property norms and others have property arrangements that resemble unowned or community ownership.
How will each and every conflict play out with such a patchwork of norms?
Only the individuals involved in each particular situation can decide. Unless AnComs and AnCaps are prepared to yield the force of the state to ensure their specific property views are the new monopoly, we better get used to mutual respect and compromise. A one size fits all solution is already a part of the problem we face today.
Let’s look at one more example to see how these conflicts might be resolved. What happens if the title holder to plot B returns to find the AnComs living on his land? The title holder tells the AnComs he has been waiting for the right time before he chose to build on the land.
The AnComs say that they found the land unused and believe they now have a stronger claim due to homesteading. Who has the stronger claim? How do we resolve this conflict without resorting to violence? Many anarchist thinkers have suggested competing arbitration agencies which would be responsible for sorting out conflicts. If the original title holder calls his insurance agency (IA1) to defend his claim to the land, the AnComs would likely hire insurance agency 2 (IA2) to defend their claim.
The two agencies would consider the claims and attempt to resolve the conflict as impartial third parties. In the event that the two agencies cannot resolve the conflict to the satisfaction of their customers, the title holder and AnComs would hire an arbitration agency to settle the dispute for good. If after consulting with the insurance agency, and the arbitration agency, one of the parties are still not satisfied, a private protection agency could be hired to enforce the ruling.
Obviously, this increases the possibility of conflict, but in the end we believe the lack of incentives for war will deter individuals from pursuing this path. Especially, as humanity grows to accept the sovereignty of each individual.
Insurance agencies will be influenced by market demand to resolve these situations as peacefully as possible because their business will be negatively impacted by stories of violence, especially in the age of livestream and YouTube. Again, we stress that the above situations are entirely theoretical. We have no way of knowing how free people will choose to self-organize and handle dispute resolution.
There will always be conflicts and differences of opinion. It is up to each of us to hold ourselves to a higher standard and strive to always respect the sovereignty of other individuals and use our best discretion in each case of conflict. Even if the whole of society is forced to accept one specific dogma there will always be dissenters and the only way to stop the dissent is to enact totalitarian control.
We can either have freedom to disagree and peacefully resolve conflicts, or we can continue the cycle of violence and coercion. It has been said that ideas which are worthy do not require force or violence to implement. If one stands by their beliefs wholeheartedly they should be able to respectfully debate the merits and potential failures without resorting to violence.
This was a selction from my book with Derrick Broze "Finding Freedom in an Age of Confusion" which can be found on Amazon, or at the link in my bio below.
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We already have laws concerning squatter's rights in the USA. There are laws about something called "adverse possession". Depending on the locality, a person can claim property if they have been living on it openly for 3 to 30 years. https://budgeting.thenest.com/claim-abandoned-real-estate-32741.html
Would the "private protection agency" be like a mafia?
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exactly, or you could call it a "cartel" or "street gang". You don't even have to live there, you just have to use the property for the specified period without permission. If they give you permission at any time before you acquire the property your claim disappears. You could go mow a field and take a picture every year and as long as you don't have the property owners permission then you can take it by adverse possession.
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Excellent writing. Concept is also important.
If we can't co- exist with each other. Soon, we will be destoying ourselves around the world. It is obvious.
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Josiah knew well the failings of the commune, he mentioned how the 'law of diversity' was directly its undoing in regards to New Harmony.
Its like he was forseeing the rise of subjective value in the capital economy, yet he continued to live within the labor theory of value.
He said the formation of society was the first fatal mistake. Of this I would agree. One of the primary norms for Ancaps is to not aggress against people or their property.
To really understand individual sovereignty is to understand no group or social construct has any more authority than a individual.
Society or whatever social construct that arises typically attempts to ignore individual sovereignty. In the end these social constructs have no reason to recognize individual liberty if it conflicts with the desires of the construct.
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You might want to switch from rural land to apartment living, this is most of the folks.
How will city dwellers find apartments?
What about the tenets that refuse rents?
Are they just out on the streets, and if so, wouldnt that violate the nap?
Consumer culture doesnt go away in the absence of rule by force.
As things are today, the workers, adequately prepped, could simply keep working , but refuse to pay for goods produced and there wouldnt be any interuption of supplies.
As long as the workers do the work, the goods are available for consumption.
Whether accounting accounts, or falls in a lake.
Perhaps we can sell anarchy easier if we point out that stuff will be free and retirement can come at 50?
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Even in today's society, people who pay rent have squatter's rights. It can make it really hard to evict someone who doesn't pay. For example, see this article: https://www.landlordology.com/how-to-get-rid-of-squatters/
The landlord can't do anything to the tenant to make his property inaccessible until the court kicks the tenant off the land or out of the apartment. It can take years to get rid of a tenant who won't pay.
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Depends what state you are in.
In my state, you get a hearing date and 30 days later the sheriff forcibly evicts you.
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Curated for #informationwar (by @wakeupnd)
Relevance: Sharing the truth.
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This is interesting, since over here the extremely very few anarchists there are are most likely "anarcho-communists" or anarcho-collectivists...I think they have to work a little bit on their contradictions, but hey, maybe they could say the same about voluntaryists, I don't know. In my opinion too it's possible for pretty much every form of true anarchism to co-exist, if we accept non-aggression and voluntary interactions (That can also be applied to collectivist forms of anarchy if one is free to leave it if he doesn't wish to partake in fully communal life anymore, for instance)
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Ciao fratè.. ho sentito una tua intervista con Mark Devlin e con molta fatica sono riuscito a trovarti qui. Ti capisco anch'io tento inutilmente di fare video dove tratto temi del genere ma come hai ho letto in una descrizione di un canale che avevi, Youtube non fa girare i video scomodi. Prima di dirti altro vorrei sapere se ricevi questo messaggio. Ciao ; )
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Ehilà! Ho letto il commento su Youtube! Sei riuscito poi a sentire l'intervista? Quel video è solo un montaggio di alcune presentazioni di Mark...purtroppo in quell'intervista il mio Inglese ha fatto schifo, non mi venivano le parole e sono andato un po' in agitazione, comunque il lavoro di Mark è molto interessante!
Ho visto che hai diversi video su Youtube, ti consiglio di cominciare a trasferirli su Dtube, BitChute o altre piattaforme perché possono toglierteli senza dire una parola...
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L'intervista è stata bellissima fratè.. io l'ho sentita tutta e non devi preoccuparti per l'inglese perché si capisce che stavi usando una lingua che non era la tua (chi mai si dovesse lamentare del tuo inglese è un demente perché non capisce l'importanza del messaggio ma si preoccupa di una cosa superficiale). Mark è stato bravissimo ed era concentrato su quello che dicevi (e non su come lo dicevi) e rispondeva in modo completo perché appunto anche le tue domande erano stimolanti.
I miei video che ho in Youtube sono salvati in diversi backup offline però capisco quello che dici e so il rischio di vederli sparire da un momento all'altro. DTube mi continua a dare tanti problemi in upload dei video.. mi da sempre errore (carica il video poi alla fine mi da sempre errore) Proverò a registrarmi anche su Bitchute e vedere se va meglio.
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Grazie!
Su Dtube i video vanno caricati in hd mp4, accetta solo quelli purtroppo, prova a insistere perché secondo me vale la pena. BitChute accetta penso tutti i formati, a volte s'incanta ma con la cura F5 poi di solito gli passa, hehehe. Comunque per comunicare io di solito non uso Google e non ho Facebook ma sono su Minds.com, dove c'è un sistema di messaggistica (https://www.minds.com/LiberoPensatoreTS), visto che sennò qui siamo super off-topic, XD
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This is complicated.
That said, we need to clearly define what is greed?
We live on a shared planet, yet there is, and always will be someone who wants to own it all.
In some ways, I think most people respect basic property rights, society would be total chaos if we didn't.
It all comes down to resource allocation, its clear that we are in a society that is designed to be disposable.
Three subjects that everyone needs to understand, behavior, conflict resolution, and sustainability.
Underlying all of this, is communication, most of us (including myself) are stuck with one language, and we may not be able to communicate as clearly as we should in order to to have an effective understanding of one another.
The words we use are often used against us, in ways that we may not even understand.
Most of us are so compartmentalised that we can't see the problems that we all share. The left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing, and for some, they don't even realize they are just a cog in a very large machine.
Deception is everywhere, its how we got into this mess in the first place.
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it's not really possible for the current population of humans to be "sustainable" if you define sustainability as living without using fossil fuels.
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There is far too much waste in modern society. Look at all the trash in the ocean, for example.
Its easier to place blame on the sheer size of the population, rather than think of solutions that enable all of us to use resources more effectively.
It all boils down to economics, and more specifically, the fact that we live in an oil based economy.
Waste=profit. All of that cleanup, regulation, and related diseases are an even larger industry.
Its the same pattern with almost every major institution.
Create a problem, wait for wide scale public outrage, have a pre-planned solution in place, and profit.
Fossil fuels are not being used in a sustainable way, its part of the plan.
Boiling frog syndrome for most of the population.
Most are comfortable in the warm water that exists currently, it will start to boil eventually, and most won't survive.
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It's not about placing blame on the size of the population it is about understanding that the population only achieved that size through the use of fossil fuel derived fertilizers and that it is impossible to sustain the current number of humans without fossil fuel derived fertilizers. Even if everyone swore off meat and you eliminated all so called food waste you could not feed 7 billion people without using fossil fuel derived fertilizers.
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We have food waste on a scale that could feed millions, if not billions of people.
There is a substantial percentage of the world population that eats out of a garbage can.
Fossil fuels are not going to run out anytime soon either, according to most of these "peak oil" theories, we should have all been dead by now.
What will happen, is that oil will be more energy intensive to extract in the future.
We can't continue to waste resources like we do now, that is unsustainable.
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all I really wanted to know was whether you define "sustainability" as using fossil fuels or not. All I was trying to explain is that the carrying capacity of the earth for humans without using fossil fuel fertilizers is only 2-3 billion.
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Its a pointless discussion topic. I'll keep that in mind next time it comes up.
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This is where I always have to write off anarchists, that belief is a central premise of their philosophy, despite the fact that in all of human history the opposite has occurred.
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Throughout history we have had sociopathic leaders that use violence as a means of control.
Same script, different day.
In the past it was more obvious, now almost everyone is kept distracted with endless 24/7 entertainment.
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they did it in the past as well, that's why they built the coliseum and other stadiums. Bread and circus, that's what the people want. It will be the same in the future, rewards for those who follow the laws and punishments for those who do not.
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Technology, specifically mass adoption, combined with the use of internet surveillance, enables real-time analysis of what makes people tick.
Always remember that human behavior is the most studied subject, ever.
The current entertainment industrial complex is a weapon of mass distraction, and possibly the best weapon system ever devised.
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yeah it's terrible, they target you with ads for things you actually want. unless you decide to turn the ads off.
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Irrelevant for me, especially since I don't own a television or use any commercial websites.
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Then they can't figure out how you tick, they only have the information that people willingly give them. This is a commercial website.
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I haven't purchased anything here, and there are no ads here.
I'm a poor consumer, not much to gain off my presence as I don't have many followers.
Everything that is posted online is scraped and analyzed, there is no such thing as full anonymity.
So yes, many sites could be considered commercial, if the users are considered a product.
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I am willing to peacefully co-exist with people who prefer other modes of interaction and exchange. It fits with my philosophy of respecting the rights of others. My only question is whether they would also allow me to live peacefully as I choose. I can only hope the people I encounter online do not represent the majority of such people.
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