Private Property In a Stateless Society

in anarchy •  7 years ago 

In a stateless society how would the distribution of land work?
Who would get which land?
Would everyone have rights to all land?

I have thought about this issue for a while and I can't envision a working system to answer this question.

I understand the premise of the communist model where as no one owns the land but anyone could produce from it. Communist models would leave individuals with no assurance of privacy if they chose not to participate in the society. I believe that the communist model would lead to conflict quickly between people who value privacy and people who value collective involvement. In my opinion this would eventually see a violent outcome no matter how voluntary the society was.

Non collective or non communists system would have all individuals owning the land and producing resources for themselves and then engaging voluntarily in trade to acquire resources they don't have. How would the land be distributed amongst the individuals? Who would have which land? How much land would a person receive? Obviously not all land is equal in distribution of resources on or under it. This would lead to resentment between individuals because there would be an inequality of opportunity based simply upon the land they owned. I could see conflict quickly rising from this system. Further I don't know how each individual would be allocate the land or who would be the deciding distributor.

I would love to hear comments on any models addressing stateless land ownership. I think this conversation is very important because we do live currently with very shaky government systems and we could be stateless sooner than we think. If government collapses I think it is the real opportunity for anarchist to shine and not only survive but prosper. Finally demonstrating that humanity does not require being governed over by a state.

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The problem I see is that we as humans need good structure (government) because of our nature to control and be selfish. I don't think I have ever been able to count on the majority of humanity for doing the right and moral things. Is there a connection between anarchist and globalist? I am very anti-globalist. I believe in strong independent countries.

"Is there a connection between anarchist and globalist?"

To answer your question.
No. Anarchism means "no rulers".
It's Individual. It has nothing to do with a globalists agenda/policies.

Wikipedia

"Globalism is group of ideologies that advocate the concept of globalization. It tends to advocate for such policies as increases in immigration, free trade, lowering tariffs, interventionism and global governance."

You could say; This is statism in it's biggest form.

Edit; added

We can agree on that. Thanks for taking the time to educate me. Much appreciated!

I totally agree that a majority of people have a need for control and are selfish. It creates a weird paradox where as a structure would need to be implemented but that structure would always infringe on the freedoms of people. Government once it is formed becomes an instant monopoly on the rule making of that society. A form of representation for the government is required and that is where the easily manipulatable tool of democracy enters. Government require funding which means a uniform monetary unit, another monopoly, and forces the society to not have the choice of voluntary transaction. You can't fund a government with livestock or crafted items. Governments always establish a monopoly on force to be used to enforce the monopoly on rules.

If people were more responsible for all of their actions we might be able to figure something out. Degeneration of morality has made us a complicated species and society.

It the people can't control the government, it their own fault. I call it apathy! I see it every where. People love help and the government makes promises! Then you get sucked in to a welfare state and on the poor and wealthy thrive and you lose your middle class!

Ya it is the usual exchange from citizens to government.
Upgraded security ---> less freedom of people
Provided Convenience ----> less personal responsibility
Empty promises ----> More taxes and more division in population

so true...limited government means power in citizens hands. In my opinion some anarchist ideas sound interesting but it has been tried before and never successful. Kind of like socialism (see Venezuela for latest example). Democracy with LIMITED government seems to give most freedom to its citizens. The USA is going to far left and we are losing our freedoms.. Again, good article!

Hey...very good question! I never actually thought specifically about this. What did they do back in the wild west? Personally speaking, I would rather live far enough away from most so this wouldn't be a problem.

I don't think though that it will ever get to that point, unless it's established at the onset of some global or national reset at the highest level and the respective inhabitants agree to it. Even this doesn't really seem feasible though.

It is a tough subject that i have poured much thought into. I don't know how the wild west would have operated but I think it might have been very tribal at that point in history.. I don't know if a return of tribalism is of any benefit going forward but a resolution would have to be reached amongst society. Tribalism would become the on set of a new era of feudalism in my opinion.

I totally agree that it is looking like a situation where an oligarchical class would be completely gone is not in the cards. I think technology has put us on a knifes edge where tough decisions need to be answered. The land allocation pales in comparison to what happens to nuke bombs and nuke plants... How would that become managed as a decentralized society. Technology might be the shackles that we cannot shed...