Taxation is Theft

michaelmatthews (54) in anarchy • 8 years ago (edited)

Imagine your family has owned a farm for 8 generations. This beautiful 20-acre farm has been past down from father to son every generation and is completely debt-free.

Now on that farm, there's row of 10 apple trees. Your Great-grandfather planted those 10 trees decades ago. Your kids love apple-picking. Every year, your wife bakes a bunch of apple pies for the family with the apples from those trees.

One day, you decide to fill a basket with 100 apples. So, you get up at the crack of dawn and start picking the best apples you can find. It takes you about an hour or so. Your wife is so happy! This will be another great holiday season!

Around noon, the door bell rings. It's your neighbor. He saw you picking apples with his binoculars. He demands that you give him 35 apples because he saw you pick a huge basket of 100 apples and his farm doesn't have any apple trees.

Let Me Ask You This:

Who owns the apples? Who owns the labor of picking the apples? Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

Do the apples belong to the neighborhood? What percentage of apples belong to the farmer and what percentage belong to the neighborhood?

Here's What Happens:

You look at your neighbor, slam the door in his face and tell him, "Go to Hell! Pick your own damn apples you lazy bastard!"

A Great Idea to Make Some Money:

You're a hard working guy. so, the next day you decide to pick 1,000 apples that you can sell at the local farmer's market.

So, you get up at the crack of dawn and start picking. It takes you all day to pick the apple trees clean. Now, You have 10 baskets to sell at the farmer's market.

The next day you get up early, load your truck with apples, and head on over to the local farmer's market.

You set up a small fruit stand. You decide on a price. 4 apples for a dollar. Everybody loves your fresh crisp apples!! You completely sell out!

You just made $250 the old fashioned way. You earned it! You picked the apples. You loaded the truck. You set up the stand at the farmer's market.

You head home with $250 cash in your pocket. Tomorrow you'll use that hard earned cash to buy groceries at the supper market for your family of six.

The next day, the door bell rings. It's the tax man. He says, "All income is subject to a 35% income tax. You owe the I.R.S. $87.50 because you sold some items at the farmer's market Yesterday."

Let Me Ask You This:

How can the government demand a cut of the profit just because the farmer decides to trade 4 apples for a dollar?

Who owns the apples? Who owns the labor of picking the apples? Who owns the dollars? Is a man not entitled to all the sweat of his brow?

Do the apples belong to the government? What percentage of apples belong to the farmer and what percentage belong to the government?

Here's What Happens:

You look at the tax man, slam the door in his face and tell him, "Those are my damn apples that I picked myself on my own damn farm! I have to feed my family! Taxation is Theft! Now, Get the Hell off my property!!!"

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
~ Thomas Jefferson

“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”
~ Frédéric Bastiat

"Theft is when someone takes something that doesn't belong to them. Either governments own "their people" as slaves or taxation is theft."
~ Adam Kokesh

“Through inflation, governments secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million can detect the theft.”
~ John Maynard Keynes

"Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Larken Rose - I'm Allowed to Rob You

I like the way you think my friend. And if you think taxation is bad, look into "eminent domain." My family had property taken away from them that we owned for almost 90 years. Now, eminent domain is supposed to be used when the land is needed for the public good, such as to put a hospital or a railroad or a highway. However, our land was taken away to make way for a private for profit corporation. The legal settlement does not allow me to talk about the details, but let me tell you my friend, the government STOLE our land right out from under us and practically erased an almost 100-year old legacy. Now that just ain't right.

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michaelmatthews (54) · 8 years ago

Wow. Damn... Sorry for your loss. That is truly a nightmare for your family. I've heard of people losing their property due to not owning the mineral rights under the land. Oil and mining companies can use their political power to manipulate the government and grab it if they find rich deposits nearby.

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keverw (48) · 8 years ago (edited)

Pretty well explained. I do feel like we need to reinvent taxes. You are taxed when you buy something, that money is taxed when sent to the corporation, then it's taxed again when the employee is paid or products are purchased for the business in an infinite loop. Then the rules and regulations are over 73,000 pages for just the feds taxes, not counting the city, county, and state. So if you're running a business you have 4 different taxes depending on where you live.

It's a mess. I have the dream of owning my own corporation some day, hiring people, making great products and doing what I can to make the world better. But with all the complex regulations and rules, it demotivates me.

Right now my plan is to work on open source and get better at programming. Then once I release my current open source project, I'm wanting to learn a new programming language and framework which I think will make me even more productive and better at programming.

My end goal though is to have my own commercial product or service. I guess my plan is to be more of the product guy/CEO but hire a COO to help with all the legal, accounting(taxes, payroll, etc). I can't make a great complex software product involving servers, web/desktop, mobile, etc if I also have to understand 73,000+ pages written in legalese to confuse people even more. So I feel it's best to delegate that part of the company to someone who enjoys and understands that side more. I enjoy creating the product side more, but I'd also want to be the public face of any product I created.

I do think we still need taxes for services a modern society needs, but I'd like it to be much more simplified. My proposed idea would be one federal flat sales tax and then the fed keeps a percent and then redistributes the rest to the states based on the population of each state. Then the states would be responsible for redistributing it's portion to the counties, and then the counties to cities at the local level. One simple tax, replacing all existing taxes at all levels of governments.

This comment is probably long enough to be its own post, but just something I been thinking about more and more lately. I just feel like regulations are killing small businesses and making new ones harder to form. Big corporations can afford more regulations, so apparently, they lobby for more to hurt small competition. Our whole country is corrupt, money needs to be out of politics.

If things would much more simpler, I feel we'd have millions of new businesses formed and our country would prosper so much more. We'd have a bunch of new innovation. In four years, it will be 2020. I always envisioned we'd have flying cars, really modern cities with new inviting architecture. Instead I predict things will be mostly the same, still old ran down brick buildings, still cars on the road, much more regulations if we keep this trend up.

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michaelmatthews (54) · 8 years ago

Good luck with the corporation. I tried that also. I incorporated in Delaware because of the low corporate taxes and ease of initial filing.

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keverw (48) · 8 years ago (edited)

Thanks :) Right now I'm writing an app that connects to Steem as open source. But I've always had the dream of running a huge tech company. I got a few ideas, and still learning. I figured the best thing would be is to just work on ideas as a individual. Try to make them as great as possible and then convert into a corporation once things are more ready to be monetized.

I've also been thinking of running for congress in 2 years when I'd be old enough. I just feel things are really broken in the world and this country. Really depresses me if I think too much into it and kills all my motivation. I just really wish there was a good way to fix this problem. Sadly I doubt a poor kid in Ohio would even really have a chance at winning any position in gov.

Curious, what kind of corporation do you or did run? Anything tech related?

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michaelmatthews (54) · 8 years ago

Real Estate Corporation. I did a C-Corp... but, later I realized I should have filed for an S-Corp due to the easier tax prep. Oh well... live an learn. My next corp will be a distributed autonomous corporation. I'm a huge Bitcoin fan!

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keverw (48) · 8 years ago

Don't think I've heard of autonomous corporations before. Something for me to Google. Real estate sounds interesting, I think owning an apartment complex would be cool if you were good at it. Recurring passive income, and hire someone to manage each complex.

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fulltimegeek (67) · 8 years ago

"Theft is when someone takes something that doesn't belong to them. Either governments own "their people" as slaves or taxation is theft."
~ Adam Kokesh

I agree with Adam Kokesh's statement but please note that that man is not to be trusted. He has been ousted as a FBI/Russian agent by whistleblower Donald Marshall.

Source

I have even confronted Adam Kokesh directly about this on Steemit. Look at his last two post on here. You can clearly find my message asking him about this accusation. He has yet to reply and has completely abandoned the Steemit platform for the past month.

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michaelmatthews (54) · 8 years ago

Thanks for the info... I'll look in to it.

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michaelmatthews (54) · 8 years ago

If Edward Snowden and Adam Kokesh are agents for the dark-side... we're in a heep of trouble.

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fulltimegeek (67) · 8 years ago

We'll be fine. But, YES, the deception is great.

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Taxation is Theft

Let Me Ask You This:

Here's What Happens:

A Great Idea to Make Some Money:

Let Me Ask You This:

Here's What Happens:

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."~ Thomas Jefferson

“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”~ Frédéric Bastiat

"Theft is when someone takes something that doesn't belong to them. Either governments own "their people" as slaves or taxation is theft."~ Adam Kokesh

“Through inflation, governments secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million can detect the theft.”~ John Maynard Keynes

"Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen."~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Larken Rose - I'm Allowed to Rob You

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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
~ Thomas Jefferson

“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”
~ Frédéric Bastiat

"Theft is when someone takes something that doesn't belong to them. Either governments own "their people" as slaves or taxation is theft."
~ Adam Kokesh

“Through inflation, governments secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million can detect the theft.”
~ John Maynard Keynes

"Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche