It's the first morning of 2018 and I've found myself a new outdoor blogging spot in the early Aussie morning sun. I'll share a picture of my new spot later in this post. The light feels warm on my skin and I'm in the best of moods...
...except...
I find myself with renewed vigour, ready to fire missiles at the enemies of us all, banks. I'll admit, I saw a healthy red this morning as I lay in bed and scrolled through twitter, Zerohedge, steemit and various other sites.
One article that caught my eye on the Sydney Morning Herald is the catalyst for this post. It's found here and has been picked up by Zerohedge here and is entitled as follows.
smh.com.au
Australian Banks Reportedly Freeze Accounts Of Bitcoin Users
From the original article:
Bitcoin investors are claiming Australia's banks are freezing their accounts and transfers to cryptocurrency exchanges, with a viral tweet slamming the big four and an exchange platform putting a restriction on Australian deposits.
Apparently the big four Australian banks, National Australia Bank, ANZ, the Commonwealth Bank of Australia and Westpac Banking Corporation have been called out for "freezing customer accounts and transfers to four different bitcoin exchanges - CoinJar, CoinSpot, CoinBase and BTC Markets".
My first reaction was instant rage. I felt personally touched this. The article references one of the banks that I use to send funds into my exchange and my exchange is one of the ones also mentioned in the article. I then am ripe for the freezing.
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What's more infuriating than the imposition itself is the hubris and hypocrisy of the reaction by the banks and the nomenclature of the original article. How's this following example for instance?
Bitcoin, a currency once known for its use by criminals trading online through a ‘Silk Road’ for drugs and weapons, has become a popular investment option.
Fear porn at all? Where's the evidence behind this? Am I to instead hold US Dollars that have never once been used to fund criminal activity? Who gets to define what criminal activity is? I presume it's criminal to not hold funds in a banking institution where it can be subjected to bail in legislation and degraded by the pernicious and insidious impacts of inflation.
What's more, I'm fairly sure that these so called criminals who deal in drug and weapon trading also drink water. Let's ban the consumption of water too because that will bring the terrorists to their knees. As you can hopefully see, the whole situation is asinine to say the least. Highly objectionable in reality.
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Will I need to change the account that I get paid into in case that account is frozen and I can't access my earnings? I shouldn't have to do that. I'm not a criminal so why should I have to manouver myself around such financial restrictions? It's my money (that's already had tax criminally stolen from it) and I'll do with it what I please thank you very much.
From Zerohedge:
While not every bank had explicit policies governing their relationship with cryptocurrencies, according to the Morning Herald, Commonwealth Bank’s June 2017 terms and conditions for CommBiz accounts specifically excludes this activity, saying it can refuse to process an international money transfer or an international cash management transaction “because the destination account previously has been connected to a fraud or an attempted fraudulent transaction or is an account used to facilitate payments to Bitcoins or similar virtual currency payment services”.
May I see evidence of this "connection"? What court determined this? What due process was involved in determining this and why is the user not involved in the decision?
A Commonwealth Bank spokesman said it was receptive to innovation in alternative currencies and payment systems “however, we do not currently use or recommend any existing virtual currencies as we do not believe they have yet met a minimum standard of regulation, reliability, and reputation compared to other currencies that we offer to our customers".
Translation: The banks haven't yet organized the structure that allows them to fully profit from the new space and are being obstructionist until they have the policies in place that allow them to be the biggest beneficiaries of the crypto evolution.
Banks were remaining tight-lipped on whether bitcoin activity was causing specific accounts to be closed or frozen, though its understood none had company-wide policies banning cryptocurrency investment activity.
So being a major hindrance in one of the only processes that have allowed hard working people to generate any sort of returns in this Zero Interest Rate Policy (ZIRP) world of ours is an ad hoc policy currently is it? Isn't that a relief. The thing is that the fiat gateways are something that we are all still victim to. It's not possible to provide an employer here with a LTC address to be paid salary deposits. We are forced to use the system and hence are slaves to these actions whether they be unofficial policies or otherwise.
Perhaps we should take this as a warning and add some urgency to our efforts of getting fiat into exchanges. I'm not totally comfortable with holding large amounts on exchange but at least they don't have hundreds of years of history of screwing over humanity.
What's more, I got to thinking about other alternatives to holding funds in banks. This kind of nefarious behaviour will only worsen from here and, the thing is, all you need is to be labelled and you're subjected to whatever draconian policy is in effect at the time. "Terrorist" is one such label. Associate that with "Bitcoin" and you're suddenly having your finances taken out of your hands, no doubt "for your own safety".
What alternatives are there? Well I've already mentioned using the exchange as an account. The risks associated with this need to be weighed up by the individual, but I'd probably recommend spreading it over a number of exchanges to mitigate some risk; assuming you want to endure the KYC invasions required to open accounts with these operators. That's another thing, being so strict with the KYC requirements should mean that freezing of accounts seemingly indiscriminately shouldn't be necessary.
...but surely this is an isolated incident related to a single disgruntled Twitter user, right?
I'm glad you asked!
A recent statement from cryptocurrency exchange CoinSpot said it was putting a “temporary restriction on all forms of AUD deposits” that would remain in place until at least the first week of 2018 as a result of issues with Australian banks.
It doesn't seem to be a minor isolated incident if one of the exchanges themselves are restricting all forms of AUD deposits due to issue with Australian banks. Nooooo, this seems more systemic to me.
Coinspot went on to say:
“We assure you we are just as unhappy with the situation as you, but unfortunately Australian banks have been so far unwilling to work with the digital currency industry which leads to frequent account closures and strict limits on accounts whilst they remain operational, in effect debanking our industry"
Just wow.
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It's been a little while since I've lost my composure with the banks and that is arguably not a good thing. I'm happy to be spreading the word about their utterly deplorable conduct again and hopefully adding publicity to these issues.
I'm finding more and more that I'm having to position myself and consider the banks themselves as a fundamental risk to my financial dealings, and I'm just and average Joe who makes a wage. My mental bandwidth should be more focused on producing value in the economy, not avoiding hindrance and theft.
A Solution?
Unfortunately we wont be rid of the banks today and we wont see the perps behind bars, possibly at all. One thing that comes to mind however is investing more of my personal funds in the @sbbank initiative that I'm involved in. This is not a plug, it's a genuine discussion of what I am considering doing with my funds. @sbbank allows for USD marking and provides great returns to boot. That aside however, it's a non-bank cash storage facility and that is rapidly becoming a priority for me.
If you're interested, have a scan through the @sbbank posts for details. As I say, I have held personal funds in there from inception and am simply voicing that I am looking at bank behaviour as a reason to view "instruments" such as exchange accounts and @sbbank as actual deposit accounts in a way.
I am also a big fan of precious metals and have a decent allocation in that space. This instrument doesn't address this issue however. It's not liquid enough in terms of paying bills etc to act as a bank-replacement, although the goldmoney style solutions may be a hybrid solution.
For excess funds however, those that you aren't going to need immediately, I'd definitely recommend getting into metal. I'm a regular buyer. Even if you do see a need for funds down the track, metals could be a "wealth storage instrument" for a period of months or whatever is appropriate for you.
Summary
I find this latest intrusion by the banking sector egregious and thoroughly recommend that people look at alternatives to store funds. I believe this is an ongoing global trend to restrict personal financial liberty and in doing so, produce even more profit for the banks.
As I promised, here's a shot of my new blogging spot. It's lovely, but I've been so worked up by writing up this post that I think I'll leave the computer now and make myself a nice calming Earl Grey!
Peace.
What we need in Australia is a crypto lobby. We need to find out which banks (or even credit unions) have a welcoming stance to crypto traders and actively take our business there. The "Big 4" can go and get fucked. They might dominate the market but they aren't the only banks in town.
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A bank for the people. I love it. Sounds like a good model to follow. I think there would be a lot of organic growth in an institution like that but a lot of political power leveled against it too.
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Class action lawsuit. Now. Against the big four.
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Yep. Hit them hard. On top of the royal commission. I just feel it's all so politically entangled that the classical tools for addressing such behavior won't work. I've frequently heard that APRA is complicit.
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Awesome post I could not agree with you more. Imagine that, the governments and the bankers are getting voted wholesale to be replaced are not happy about the whole crypto market. Too funny, too predictable, too true.
By the way extremely cool furniture set. I have a post that has some very similar sentiment about what is going on within American economic systems as well.
https://steemit.com/politics/@cryptkeeper17/the-bloodless-american-fiscal-revolution-will-now-be-digitized-section-1
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Hey thanks for the support @cryptkeeper17. You never know what response you'll get when you post something as polarizing as this but generally over found the steemit community to be pro freedom anti bank so in that sense I'm on safe turf. Still great to hear people voice similar things.
Thanks for the link. I'm following you now too.
You know I almost think such moves are a blessing in disguise. The more disgusting the banks become, the more people get rage triggered as I have. So be it!
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For sure. If you posted info like this on Facebook you catch more flack because that is such an "ignorance is bliss." I have very happy I found this platform I have had more better discussions on topics like you brought up over the last two weeks since I started here than my entire life combined. Great stuff truthful content like that is very important for people to know.
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these banks dont want people making money,they literally want us to keep getting loans from them so they could make nice interest from the loans. fortunately for us as investors n the crypto world who are seeing steady gains because people are no longer getting loans from them anymore,so they decided to throw in an excuse which i believe they wo'nt succeed. thanks for sharing this with us.
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You have it exactly right @vellzz. Bigger names than me have publicly called the banking business model "pure fraud". If they run out of people to fleece then they become like cornered animals. I suspect they'll get more dangerous before they finally die... but die they will!
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Your blogging setup is pretty chill. Love that chair.
The banks hating on BTC makes me think it will rally, though not sure how the money will get in. Tell people they cant have something and it makes them want it more though!
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That's a really good point @scaredycatguide. As I mentioned in my reply to @cryptkeeper17 I actually wonder if moves like these are a blessing in disguse for exactly the reason you describe.
I've noticed BTC up a little today so this may be the forbidden fruit effect in action. I hope so!
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Criminals would just find ways to circumvent the banks anyway. They always have, so that excuse is a load of crock in my opinion! I was wondering how long it would be before they started doing this. This is why I would like to see cryptos functioning better as spendable currency, then the banks could be left out of it.
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Couldn't agree more @minismallholding. It's the classic valid rebuttal to the nonsense of gun restrictions. You can't use the law as a tool to stop people who don't obey the law! I too look forward to the day that our children have to google what "banks" were because they have never know one. Bliss!
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That's a bit rich coming from the CBA considering they now face millions in fines for AUSTRAC breeches (which were obviously not a case of 'oops, we didn't realise we were allowing money laundering'). Note: money laundering in Australian dollars I might add.
But that's just the tip of the iceberg. A Sydney Morning Herald investigation back in September found the big 4 banks were STILL laundering millions of dollars each day through their branches.
The article 'It's not just CBA: all the banks are exposed to millions in money laundering' begins:
"Gaping holes in the anti-money laundering systems of Australia's big banks are being exploited by crime groups to wash up to $5 million in drug cash a day, according to confidential briefings by federal and state policing agencies."
And yes, again, that was money laundering in Aussie dollars.
Here's a link to the article http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/its-not-just-cba-all-the-banks-are-exposed-to-millions-in-money-laundering-20170914-gyhhpi.html
Now, when I originally read this article, I thought it was going to go ballistic, as a Royal Commission into the big 4 banks was being pushed heaviliy in the wake of the CBA scandal.
But the article went without notice. No politician came out swinging. No banks tried to defend themselves against these fresh money laundering allegations. No follow up stories.
It simply went away with little more than a whimper. And, we can assume the 5 million a day money laundering operation continues unabated.
On another note, more establishment Bitcoin & crypto bashing today. This time a nonsense article from Michael Pascoe equating crypto currencies with stamp collecting and footy cards. It's really just sad.
You can read the rubbish here ... http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/why-bitcoin-investors-are-like-stamp-collectors-20171229-p4yy47.html
Happy New Year
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Yeah I completely agree @atnicholson. We live in a consequence free time it seems... that is if you're part of the criminal class. For the rest of us, a few clicks over the speed limit and the book's thrown at you. They say that one way to deflect attention from yourself is to accuse others of the crimes that you yourself wish to hide. Sounds like an approach the banks are using now.
Sorry for the late reply and a happy new year to you too. Thanks for the comprehensive comment!
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"Bitcoin investors are claiming Australia's banks are freezing their accounts and transfers to cryptocurrency exchanges"
I have had a few problems with my bank in Canada when I bought crypto. Not sure why because the coin exchange has stricter rules than Amazon or Ebay. I had to send them ID and confirm texts every time and confirm email every time. The bank said it was to prevent people stealing my Visa and buying crypto, that seems like them trying to protect their legacy. You have to be careful when you see a smear job like that. Crypto equals drugs and crime is a stereotype banks want to maintain in the public conciseness.
Also enjoy your summer its cold as hell in Canada tonight
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Bingo. Bang on @viraldome. I couldn't put it better myself. In many ways I'm amazed with how unmasked their self serving undertakings are. The agenda is fairly easy to see. I feel in my bones it's coming to a head. Crypto is becoming a system threat to the criminal class. Hold on to your hats!
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Is hell cold? Sorry, just couldn't resist the chance to play! The summer is very enjoyable thanks.
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The banking industry is so negative on crypto. I think your right it's because they cant control the market. We were disappointed when the Coinspot transactions were shut down and have looked into other exchanges but all have I come across have put there registrations on hold.
Every banking employee I have mentioned crypto too has told me to get out now! I feel sorry for them as they don't even know what they are missing out on due to the blinkers put on them by their industry.
I hope this doesn't happen but if it does then time to look for alternatives.
Happy New Year!
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Happy New Year to you too @insideoutlet! Your experience mirrors my own. I wonder if there will come a time soon where the fiat/crypto gateways are entirely shut down. You have the crypto you have and that's it. No chance to move funds in or out of fiat. Believe it or not, that may be a good thing! Very interesting times ahead.
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Coinspot has opened AUD transactions back up now. 😁 I just need to find a way to trade into steemit now.
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What Australia needs is a strong and vocal group in government and society to work to protect citizen's financial rights.
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Yes @dubvdave that's right. Before that can happen, we need the citizenry to actually care more about what the government and banks are doing to them. Unfortunately, rights and freedoms are often only valued when they're long gone, not when they're in the process of being taken away.
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Wow these banks are sad. People are running away from them for this very reason
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Exactly right. The more they struggle, the more the quick sand of progress and liberty will consume them. Thanks @realconspiracies!
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Happy new year I follow you and hope you wil do same for me thanks
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Nice blogging spot :) Is the furniture weatherproof? Do the horses come and nom on you while you're blogging? :D
On the articles, sounds like more frantic attempts to protect their business/status quo at all costs. Or maybe a complicated plot to force/drive more people into a blockchain where everything is tracked and nothing can escape because then they can dispense altogether with cash and anyone who dares use cash or privacy coins or barters is obviously a criminal with something to hide (why yes I do love conspiracy theories :D).
Might be time to move bank?
I kind of really want a cryptocard but getting one means having to thingi with bitcoin and I don't wannnnaaaaaa [whine] XD
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