Dogs and Octopi have property, yet no government. Every premise you believe is false.
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personal property and private property are different things, but either way that was the dumbest shit I've ever read in defense of ancap ideologies. Kudos!
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The personal/private property distinction doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps in the same way that voluntary/coercive hierarchy distinctions don't make sense to you?
Suppose I have a lawnmower. This is personal property. But I see an opportunity to do yard work for others, and hire someone to use my mower in this entrepreneurial venture. Suddenly I am exploiting a worker with my illicit private property, even though my employee did not need to invest in a mower, and he gets paid whether my startup yard service company makes a profit or not.
And then, remember that my profit is counted in the difference between income and expenses, my employee's profit calculation is dollars versus labor and time, and my customer's profit is calculated in cost versus service. It can be a win-win, with everyone "exploiting" the desires of everyone else according to their value scales such that everyone benefits. So I don't see a division between personal and private property or an inherent exploitation.
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Why should you profit from mowing lawns? Why can't you just live and die doing what you love for others that want to do the same?
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In this scenario, the person whose lawn was mowed profits by gaining a mowed lawn without expensing time and energy. I profit financially. Following the money only sees half of the equation, so no wonder it appears unequal. Further, the economy is not a fixed pie, so financial profit is not ipso facto proof of even equal exchange, much less exploitation.
People don't want to do most of the things that are necessary for a functional economy. Put simply, a lot of work just plain sucks. The market solution is a carrot. "Hey, if you do this for me, I'll pay you enough to make it worth your while." It is a decentralized, voluntary, anarchic solution.
As technology has advanced, and the expectations of workers have increased, automation has replaced human labor in many of those drudge work fields, and labor has transitioned more and more into less and less unpleasant forms, but the fact remains that necessary work sucks sometimes. You can't just hand-wave that away.
Money serves a very real purpose as a medium of exchange and a unit of account that informs all market participants through the price network. This informs workers of the benefit they can expect for their labor, and the benefit they can expect for their earnings. Is it any wonder so many in the political sphere want to manipulate money and set prices? And can you not see how price controls and money manipulation harm everyone in the real productive economy for the perverse profit of the political class?
The alternative to the market approach is the political approach. "That needs to be done. Do it (or fund it through taxes we demand) or I hurt you." This is what we see in authoritarian regimes, including the US and various self-professed socialist and communist regimes. It ain't anarchy. The US system was sold to the public under a veneer of pro-market rhetoric that collapses under scrutiny. Why can you not see through the socialist rhetoric behind self-professed socialist state programs?
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Right, you don't know what I mean by profit.
Profit means you gain something over someone else. You take extra. It's additional. I don't think we need profit in a society. I'm content mowing everyone's lawns if it meant I had no need to spend money on housing or other necessities. I don't think I should get a higher rank on the Capitalist Leaderboard because of it.
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Who decides what is "extra" or "too much," though? Everyone has different value scales. There is no absolute value in anything. It isn't a physical property like mass or energy.
In the market, gaining monetary profit means providing something other people valued more than the money they paid. This only indicates a problem when that market is restricted by force, which is only possible in the long term under political influence. Your concept of a "capitalist leader board" doesnt't really describe my goals or philosophy at all.
If there is enough demand compared to the supply, you could mow lawns and be assured of housing and food. Money, prices, and markets decentralize the economy so you can make a good estimation of whether that is feasable. Unfortunately, the housing market is heavily distorted now by decades of political intervention, money supply inflation, interest rate manipulation, etc. and we need to fix that problem so a trend toward price equilibrium can be restored. Removing money, prices, and profit from the equation altogether doean't fix the root problem, and instead only removes the possibility for any rational economic calculation whatsoever.
That said, if I am really wrong in these matters, I am the first to say, "you should be free to compete with us in the market of ideas and voluntary association so you have a chance to prove us wrong." That is how our actual ideas work, after all.
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The natural end line of what you profess to believe in is what we have now. Where people have hundreds of billions and over half the planet is starving.
The only way to prevent that is government intervention or organizing a better society from the get go. Since we aren't playing Minecraft, the latter is less likely to occur. We have a state apparatus, pretending it's going to disappear tomorrow is stupid and silly. We should use this apparatus to get the world back under control before we expand into those realms.
Again, I understand history and you don't. All you are is theory, and while you're writing Minecraft Fan Fictions, 40,000 people a year are dying in the USA because they can't afford basic medicinal needs. It's homicidal and delusional to profess these "beliefs" without a reasonable path to achieving them.
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If you are going to misinterpret what I actually wrote to that degree, there is no hope for constructive discussion here.
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Octopi eat each other.
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I have learned a lot about diversity as a biologist for a state agency, and believe your statement is based on misunderstanding what 'octopi' means.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/why-octopuses-are-building-small-cities-off-the-coast-of-australia/
You may find this interesting.
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