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in anarchylibrary •  8 years ago  (edited)

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So, tell me how you plan to sustain a modern electronic lifestyle on your survival plot?

You must have the industrial complex to create the solar pump that pumps your water.

You have to have the industrial complex to make the solar cells that create the electricity that powers your wifi.

Or was that just a red herring?


If you want to escape to a cave, that is fine, I won't be bothering you, and would defend you from attack, but when you come out and find that we just give you the generator you need because we know that as long as everybody joins in on the production of consumer crap we can have all kinds of consumer crap for about 20,000 hours of production, each.

By dividing the work among all able bodied humans everywhere, and distributing this production to the planet, not just to the oligarchs' warehouses, we can escape this war/murder/death/ paradigm to a much higher lifestyle than a survival cave.


But I'm afraid that your lord, and savior, crapitalism, has been put into you just like the training the most zealous assassin gets, you are not capable of taking the steps it would take to enlighten you from the dark path instilled in you as a child.

If you were, you would read this book.

I think I got a safe bet here.


Just as it is likely that me saying, 'FUCK Christ', or insert your favorite man in the sky here, would offend you, so too is it impossible for you to look at alternatives to crapitalism, and for the same reasons.


I mean, I got out, but I am an exception that had exceptional circumstances that led to years of reading over decades of thinking about what I have read.


It is the propaganda that you got in school that leads you to believe that a survival plot is the epitome of what humans can create.

And realistically, without a reason to band together into group endeavors, it is all we can hope for as individuals.


So, don't confuse what I have proposed with any rule by force paradigm that has preceded it.


Anything that was done today could have been compensated by the privilege of ordering anything from the interwebz to be delivered to your door for free, but instead you want to account for most of the 'value' of the 'production' through the 'price calculation' to crapitalusts/oligarchs that just want to bomb some more Syrian children in a world wide satanic ritual.



I mean, unless that isn't what you meant,....


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Your last sentence is spot on.

I wrote my comment as a n example, in a small form, for you to get a feeling on a personal level. (English is not my native language so I hope you know what I mean) I maybe should have written " for example" I thought I did but I removed it.

Everything else you said is not at all how I life my life. From the cave to the god thing, and me not knowing that all wars are bankers and multinationals wars. I know that. I only see a different way out, by ME taking responsibility as much as I can, I'm not gonna present a plan for the planet.
I could describe it to you, how I think we could stop the bankers and multinational war's, but I'm not gonna do that right now.

I also am living in a community and I see the ties with the whole world.
And I think in the end the sort of community I live in would not differ very much from your's. Except for the everything is free part. Of course I would share from my surplus although I don't have to, but that's a part of me. I however can not stand people/governments/multinationals/banks/collectives stealing stuff.

I give you a small real live example of the free stuff thing, before I go and work.

I have neighbours, the one does a small thing like mowing the lawn or helping, and they get a week of food in return. They don't know what to do with it all , so it lands in the bin, after ofcourse trying to give some of it to other neighbours , like me but we do not eat it or else we would become unhealthy heavy. It's all sweet and so, but it's a waste of energy from all the people that made the food, they told the neighbour over and over; please don't do that but it does not help. It would be better if the neighbour asked precisely what she could buy for them or just gave money (you know those papers with ink) OR would work on the guilt feelings and giving them what they asked for in return, namely nothing.

I could explain more topics in your reaction, on how I see the thing's
but I won't for now I'm going outside my cave (lol) and do some "work"

Thanks for replying and maybe I'll get back to you later. I might even read the book you suggest, but I promiss you nothing.

Have a good day

Thank you, @wordsword.
It's hashing out our differences that will bring peace to the world.
You said you had somebody in the neighborhood who gave away too much food?
Is it cold there?

daytime 15/ nighttime 8 degrees , ( edit; forgot to mention Celsius, cold)
I think I know where you're getting at.
if it happens again I will talk with my neighbour to give the food to a shelter, good idea.
I'm under the impression though that lately the person giving the food is not doing that anymore.
The person need help herself.
(I say "the person" for privacy reasons)

If I guessed wrong, and this is not what you wanted to say, tell me.

Yeah, I try not to go places that get under 20, even at night, even for free food.
I guess a short visit wouldn't be so bad,...in the summer.
We already live under the proposal, only we restrict it to our immediate family.
If my proposal was implemented, we would retire to resorts on the moon in a couple years.
Instead the rotshields will have another quadrillion dollars because, crapitalism.

I don't get what you're saying here, a visit.. a visit for what .. are you inviting yourself? I don't like that.
I do not want to go to the moon or live there, horror.
I want to live a simple live in peace with the people around me. I don't want much materialistic things.
I don't care about the rotshields, ignore them as much as possible not "feeding"them, staying out of debt, informing as much people as I can.
I live in my own community helping the ones around me that want help.
I don't like chatting, if you don't mind.

Hit me up at steem.chat if you want to do this privately.

Nope, here is all the same to me.
I am happy that you can have that life, it is not for me to have here, or now.
No, I wouldn't drop in uninvited.
I think you have described nearly the life I seek.
Simple, few worries.
You are very lucky.
It misses only a tropical climate.