Portals to Nowhere

in art •  5 years ago 

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I was playing around in my virtual 3D space and I created this today. Really the portals are just a piece of a larger model I was working on, but after modeling and laying out UV's I decided to just make a picture with that one piece.

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I also enlisted the services of one of the materials I created back in my brief affair with Substance Designer.

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Honestly I don't have much else to say about this image. It's just something I made because I'm always making things. I do want to take this time to address something I read on Steem earlier today that I want to comment on.

It was a post about copyrights and credit in work and stealing and plagiarism etc.

So there's this notion/culture on Steem that if you post some art, you should also talk a little about how you made it or show your process or something along these lines. When I first got started on Steem I needed to adapt to posting this way. In time I understood the practical reason behind it, but it's not what most people think. It's not because that's the standard, or the "right way" or the thing you "should" do. It's because most people here aren't artists and without a bit of explanation, if you're posting art it's not something that a non-artist can relate to as well without some breakdown of what they're seeing. You need to cater to your audience or else it's like doing stand up in America but speaking Swahili.

This is actually totally NOT the standard especially when it comes to professional artists posting their work online. It is also NOT the standard that if I do a painting of a person from life or from a photo, to credit either the model or the photo or photographer. That might seem counter-intuitive because you might wonder what could be wrong with either of those things?

The answer might be hard to relate to if you're not an artist, but if I paint something from a photo reference, I am not "copying" the photo. In the end, typically, my painting looks nothing like the original photo. The photo is a reference. Let's start at an extreme to make this easier to understand.

Previously I've posted this imaginary character.

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The image in the middle is the reference sheet I used to come up with the character. I had a couple actors in mind and while the character has some similarities of both, in the end these references are the means to create something original. All art is created this way. This idea that artists sit in front of a blank piece of paper or screen and that's how they work is a false notion. Don't get me wrong, I can draw characters completely from my imagination, but if I were doing serious character design, as I have done, professionally, that's not the way I would do it and that's not the way most professionals would.

So more than likely no one would look at that and say, HEY! You need to credit those actors and the photographers that took their pictures because you used their work! Like I said, start with an extreme example first.

Now let's get into something more murky.

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The only difference between this and the previous drawing is "how much" I referenced the reference material. Other references not shown are old master paintings, specifically ones by Nicolai Fechin whose work I was drawing from when I painted this, plus all the decades of experience and inspiration that can't really be summed up into a few references.

The key is, the new thing created is a new and original thing. Unless you are DIRECTLY using another person's photo in your work, it is not a thing to go through a list of credits for each piece you make.

So by directly I mean, YOU take a photo, create a painting, make something I have access to. I take that thing, and simply modify it, that's a bit of a different story. I would actually ponder why that's even worth posting unless it's a collage or something like that, but then you get into a grey area of "Well, how much did you change it?"

Here is the actual standard practice, and what is common online as well as what is legal. Also keep in mind, I am a professional artist, it's the only thing I do, and I teach at an art school and have taught there for years. I hate to pull the "I'm a professional, so you should listen to me" card, but I want more professional artists coming to post on Steem, and I don't want the culture to go any more down the wrong path than it already is.

If you directly use another person's work in your work, you credit them, otherwise it's not necessary because you created something as original as art can be. Everything is built from something that came before. Otherwise we'd still be painting on cave walls.

That is the common practice. In terms of legality, it's a lot more complicated and the protections for you as an artist aren't great. The moment you create something it is automatically copyrighted, but unless you register your copyright, you can't sue for damages. Also, to sue someone for using your work, you have to prove damages. This is almost impossible to do or worth it unless some big company used your artwork in a product they were selling(rejoice if this happens to you, you're about to get PAID). The reality is, if someone stole your art and posted it on their blog, or they modified your work without your permission, there's pretty much nothing you can do about that from a legal standpoint, again unless they use it in a way where they're making a lot of money(which is rare, if they're making a lot of money they can afford to not steal art, artists are pretty cheap relatively) This happens all the time to friends of mine who post on say instagram. There are accounts there that just post art from other artists, as generic concept art accounts or animation art or whatever. The problem is a lot of times they don't credit the original artist so they'll get a lot of attention and followers instead of the artist.

I personally am not into social media and likes and followers all that much, but if that happened here on Steem it would be super annoying. Great thing about Steem is they would get flagged to death pretty quick, so that's the real answer for all those artists, I digress...

Legit plagiarism, ie I take someone else's work and claim it as my own, should of course be met with extreme prejudice. I also know that we have to be especially vigilant against fraudsters as anyone can just impersonate an artist here and start posting their work. In my mind these are a given.

What I'd like to see is a more post and let post attitude here. If it's confirmed that a person is a real person, but they're not following some made up guidelines that only exist on Steem, if you don't like it, don't upvote it, but I don't think it's good for Steem to go around telling people how to post. If they ask for help, or if you give them pointers in that spirit, like "That's a cool drawing, but if you actually want some upvotes you gotta play to the crowd here" I think that's a bit better and less offputting than, accusatory "Where's the credit list?!?!" "Did you steal that?!?!" Chill. Be cool. Let's work together to make this a fun place that people want to be.

Okay, that was a long rant, it had been on my mind for a minute though, the post today just reinvigorated it.

BTW, this is not an attack on that post. I agree with the vast majority of it. It just made me think of these points I wanted to address. Okay, I'm done ranting about this for real now! See you all in the next post.

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I was waiting for a post like that and i am really happy to see it:) i am not a painter but a collage artist and the problems with copyrights are much more complicated in this medium. Still if someone is careful and sensitive as an artist he can express himself in a legit way.

Its been a year since i focused more in curation and finding valuable art in the platform and i saw many examples of artists copy or change a bit another work of art to make a new one of their own. I voted most of them, i do not have a problem if someone sees a photo and make a painting out of it and he has no obligation to attach the ref image at his post. This is how the painters work, they see and they create. Even if they used their imagination, the image in their minds is sth they saw in their life and the viewer appreciates the technique, skill and sensitivity of the artist. None cares if the model was a photo from an ad of a jewellery shop and it is copyrighted.

When this Anti Plagiarism Crusade started i commented a lot and warned that this will destroy the art at the platform. Not only the artists accused will stop posting but also other artists who wittness this behaviour of sticking the label of plagiarist to another fellow artist will be disgusted and stop also. Not to mention, as you rightly said, that we can not expect new established artist to come and start posting here.

To conclude, i strongly believe that there should be a more sensite approach to this matter that would involve discreet guidance and private communication.

Yes, we need to welcome new people and support the ones who are here, not run people off with made up arbitrary guidelines.

Well I have seen a girl painter leave Steem because one of those bully gangs started saying she was plagiarizing for painting photos... smh

Good post I wish at least one of those bullies would see this.

On a platform like this, I don't really mind the idea of someone going after actual plagiarism, but if it's misinformed then it does more harm than good. I honestly think some might be well intentioned, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

As a new artist, this information is extremely valuable to me. My art instructor always gives us a “photo reference” that we use to practice drawing. Since my drawings are in the category of amateurish, I am not about to make money with them. I would have a different feeling related to someone just copying and pasting a picture that I took of another person or a landscape scene. I just learned recently, however, that famous places that are picturesque often produce “similar” photographs. The key though is “similar” and not “identical.” When I went to red rock canyon near Las Vegas Nevada, I am sure that I looked at and photographed the same mountains, bluffs, and rock formations as many other photographers before me. Even with that possibility, we would not be photographing at the same resolution, position, or light exposure. I guess we just have to be careful while we work.

I used to do the "That's a cool drawing, but if you actually want some upvotes you gotta play to the crowd here"

As curator, I think it's always better to educate than to punish.

But then again, I got tired because there's just so much entitlements and scumminess

As an artist I am only a hobbyist, but I've got friends who are professional artists who took one look at Steemit's attitude towards rewarding dubious accounts (some of them are rewarded daily) and they laugh at my face about joining. There's other intangible costs towards allowing scummy behaviour on this platform, tbh.

You should try to join curating for the platform, @midlet. You'll see the other side to this problem very rapidly.

But in general, yeah. I agree. References are a natural part of an artistic creativity process. No need to cite all your sources if an artist brings enough of their own creativity and originality into a piece. But the spectrum is wide and there's monetary gains to be made here on this platform.

I've got friends who are professional artists who took one look at Steemit's attitude towards rewarding dubious accounts (some of them are rewarded daily) and they laugh at my face about joining.

They can laugh now. I see you're a dolphin now. When this market (FINALLY) turns around, you'll have the last laugh. It's hard to get anything going in a depression, but it won't always be like this.

So tbh, I hear you. Once you put the financial incentive in there, the scammers will come out of the woodwork and as you said, the spectrum is actually more complicated than a "This is the right response, this is the wrong response" but if I'm trying to keep things simple for people that may not understand the nuance, I'd just say let people be until there is something blatant, then feel free to lay the smack down.

We're a LONG way away from this but my vision for Steem is one where curation groups are no longer necessary because there are enough individuals to make it worth it and for the platform to police itself.

People have been taking credit for other people's work and ripping other people off in one manner or another since forever. It will be the same here, and people might get away with it for a bit, but they'll get found out eventually. It will always be a constant thing fighting abuse.

The thing is though when a genuine new user joins, they don't know anything about this, so I don't want the norm to be people immediately feeling the need to defend themselves or to feel like people are telling them what to do as soon as they get here. It's like going to a party and as soon as you walk through the door someone starts telling you what you can talk about, how you can dance, who you can talk to, where you're allowed to stand etc. Nobody would want to go to that party.

I donno if they'll regret it later. Steem is already in its 4th? year? 5th? I'm still here, curating and doing my thing, but I am not sure if this platform still will 'moon'

Poloniex delisting Steem recently wasn't a good outlook, either > __ <

I've been a dolphin for a while, but tbh, I've given away more than hundreds of Steems to other Steemians who needed the donations, because I am not here to make money :3

And frankly, I've been trying to onboard genuine new users, both before the OCD external curation happening and now with OCD, and I've seen these new users leaving the platform again because it is discouraging to see genuine talents and efforts being valued less against dubious people who just milk the platform for daily rewards.

Ideally, of course your dream situation sounds dreamy :> But we're a long, long way from there, and at the moment, the current system does not have robust enough system to safeguard "quality content" against the scammier practices. But yeah, I'm thinking I should just stop curating and caring one of these days....... :thinking emoji:

Still, I'm always advocating for education instead of punishment. It's just that who has the energy to keep educating over and over again, against the unending self-serving accounts who never cared to even think that every one can do our part to help lift the system instead of just expecting money to pop out of thin air every time they post.

Ah well. We'll keep trudging ahead how we can, I suppose.

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^ That comment exchange in gif form :p

I have things to say, but I think I'll make a post about it later. Long story short, I feel your pain.

XD that gif

Im still fightingu! Just a bit more... uh, less enthusiastically than before, but still fightingu~

Good drawing

Thanks! :)

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I love your notes in the sketch page where you're designing the character XD

I like breakdown posts (partly because I find them more interesting and mostly because I'm less likely to reverse image search posts with breakdowns) but don't particularly care if people just want to drop an image with zero explanation (just makes commenting harder because then I have to stick with commenting just on the artwork, and I won't say anything if all I have to say is some variation of "nice work" as I ran myself out of those on dA many years ago XD).

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