As someone who's been growing up as a Gamer by heart, I've always wanted to start building my own brand. When I finally had the time to commit to it more to it after studying I looked at the existing platforms like Youtube and Twitch and starting out felt a bit hopeless. There was a lot of competition especially from people making it their full-time job.
Luckily I stumbled upon blockchain around the same time and researching it more and understanding the advantages it brought, I really consider myself being even more lucky that I stuck around and decided to follow its progression instead of what feels now having wasted a lot of time on the existing models trying to get my name out there. As someone said, in the beginning of the internet there wasn't much either and for most people it would take years, even decades to understand its true potential and how unlimited it can be. That's how I started seeing blockchain technology, being at its infancy and growing into a toddler and now probably starting to get to the teens in its technology progression. Of course there is still much to be upgraded, invented and figured out before we move forward but the pace is getting faster and faster the more people get involved.
I decided to wait with my branding, wait for a similar system that was built on blockchain and let me do all those things the others would. Then I stumbled upon Steem. :)
Even though at the beginning it was just a "blogging" site, I already saw it as just the start of something much bigger. The same way as Bitcoin was the first app for blockchains use, I knew that this was a totally different blockchain that enabled Steem to do things differently, much more efficiently and more limitless. Of course it also required a leap of faith much like other cryptos do, hence why the rewards are often much greater if you wait it out. I decided to trust the team working on Steem and that they had the best in mind for the platform and its future. So far I have not been disappointed and the pace its growing in is really good.
I'm saying this considering the damage that Bitcoin has done to the crypto name in general, with all the scams, schemes, losses of customers funds, illegal activity, etc. I still stumble upon people to this day where I mention Bitcoin and they look at me as if I'm crazy, but I can't say I blame them cause most just never got that deep into researching it or just blindly follow news and mainstream media.
To get back to what this post is about, I try to almost never ask people to follow me, upvote my posts or resteem them. After watching videos on youtube for the recent years, I almost find it disgusting how some users keep pushing for likes and subscribers in their videos. It comes off as very desperate and needy, almost like begging. Sure a reminder now and then can be alright, but asking readers to do the few things they themselves can and want to decide on when reading your post... I don't know, feels too much to me.
Considering Steemit itself is soon going to add referrals and possible rewards to getting users to sign up, it got me thinking about referrals to other sites, mainly about blockchain. This would of course be strictly about those where the person getting referred wouldn't lose out on anything from it. That being sites that don't have a big risk of turning out to be shady or insecure, but mainly those that offer advantages to referring others which I hope here on Steemit it will be similar. What I mean by this is that the user getting referred doesn't lose out on value that goes to the person who referred him, instead value is created from the company or the blockchain to reward one or the other or both.
So for such sites I've been thinking about adding referral links after my logo.
What are your thoughts on referral links? Do you mind those that are a win-win for both parties involved?
Leave a comment down below, in these #AskSteemit posts I reward good discussions more than usual.
I also find myself annoyed with some youtubers who ask/beg for likes/shares/comments, though I usually don't mind the ones who are self deprecating about it. I mean, I get why people do bring it up in their videos because the interactions are what get you into the trending/recommended sections on youtube. The more likes/dislikes/comments/shares you get on your video (along with the views of course) the more likely you are to get pushed into users feeds.
Though, at this point in time it really doesn't matter. Youtube has become so oversaturated with content creators, that unless you get insanely lucky with the algorithm picking you up (Which is still possible depending on the interaction, but unlikely), or get the "golden tap on the shoulder" from someone bigger than you on Youtube, it's near impossible to get a sustainable income and fanbase on there. Even a lot of the bigger guys I'm subbed to have had their growth fairly stunted/slowed down lately with the policy changes they keep making.
Anyways, enough about my Youtube ranting. As for referral links? I think so long as there is no way to abuse them they're a win-win for sure. I definitely don't think anyone would mind if you added the links after your logo, man. You're a trustworthy guy on here, and I'm sure most of everyone knows you're not into some shady shit.
Oh, I didn't know that Steemit was getting a referral link feature added. That's pretty interesting news! Especially if there's going to be a reward system involved. It'd help push people to get their friends to join up for sure, which would of course help boost the growth rate of the site. The only thing I'd worry about with that is if it uses a monetary reward system that people would find a way to abuse it and leech from the reward pool.
Still very interested to see when that feature gets implemented and where it goes though :)
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Yeah, I agree. The "golden tap on the shoulder" is something that happens here too and is normal. Why wouldn't you vote up your friends or help them get more attention if you can. Then there are other forms of say getting paid to do it that should not be as okay.
Yeah they announced referrals on Steemfest but the details are still unclear. :)
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Yeah, I have no problem with the tap on the shoulder happening, it's just based on luck is all and who you know so you can't depend on that to happen. (It's common sense though to shout out your friends and try and help them grow, at least to me it is since I like helping people out, haha.) And, when you say other forms are you talking about when people pay a certain bigger person to upvote/shout them out? Because, I agree that shit really isn't fair/cool. Not sure though if that's what you were talking about :P The upvote services are one thing since they're advertised as such, but I'm not a fan of when whales take payment on the down low for doing that.
Oh, rad! Feel free to make a post on that in the future when more details are revealed! To be honest, I get like 85 percent of my Steemit news from when you post about it, lol.
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Hehe, was gonna make more detailed posts about Steemfest but decided maybe to leave it for those that attended. :P
But yeah, that's what I meant, there's a lot of "pay for fame" going on on sites like Youtube and Twitch as well where big users use their fame to make money of others hoping to win some followers for it through hosting and other mentions.
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Nah, cmon, feed me newwws, plz!
Oh, speaking of abusing statuses on Twitch, did you see Charlie's (Cr1tikal/Penguinz0) video speaking about why he doesn't stream on there which he uploaded today? Showed just how much they pick and choose on reinforcing their rules/standards, and how fucked up the site can be. One user got banned for calling a semi-camgirl out that streams on the site, yet the girl he talked about said some horrible shit about him, his girlfriend and someone else and didn't get banned.
He also showed some other hypocritical things going on over there, really makes me feel reluctant to want to continue to stream on there, honestly. Oh, and of course Cr1tikal's video got censored on reddit and removed from the front page because they considered it witchhunting, because he mentioned some people by name on the site. (Yet, H3H3 and Idubbbz do the same stuff with calling people out and reddit sucks their dicks, lol.)
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lol, I have to check it out. I like that youtuber, he often calls things as they are.
Soon you'll be able to stream on @dlive hopefully. ;)
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Hoping that @dlive to come true!
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lol, didn't know Twitch did that obvious favoritism... Doesn't surprise me their only concern is money and revenue, though, most of the platforms are the same way nowadays.
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Yeah, I've heard of them doing shady things in the past but it seems like it's gotten much worse. So, can't say I was shocked either, but, it still was surprising how bad it has become in a way. But, you're right. That is the state of things currently on most of pretty much all platforms, and it really is a shame.
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It's like the refrain: Bread for today is hunger for tommorrow.
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wow nice...
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very very nice..!!
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Referral links are OK, as long as they're disclosed.
Finding good things is not easiest either and if that leads to a reward, I'm not one to deny somebody the opportunity to earn.
End of the day, transparency matters and defines IMHO. Let the user/visitor/reader decide if they want to still click it (or remove the referrer from the link). But don't use a URL shortener without disclosure about it being a referrer (or affiliate) link.
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I agree, users can decide themselves if your content is good or not and follow/subscribe, there is no need to beg for it. The only problem I have with referral links is that essentially companies/platforms are just outsourcing a big part of their marketing efforts on to the existing users. You might think it is a nice 3% for you, but wait until you see the yearly profit break down for the company based on this scheme. I am not really comfortable with companies turning us all into personal marketers; we already have facebook turning us into frienf-to-friend advertisers....I don't know, just feels dirty.
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We're all marketers already though through word-of-mouth. If I tell you that I'm new to the area and I'm looking for a great restaurant, you'll recommend one or at least point me in a direction where there's a lot of them. The difference between this and referral links is that you'll get a cut from the sale through the referral. Which honestly makes sense because the company would not have had that sale if it weren't for you. Just imagine how many recommendations you've given. From a business stand point, this is great. The business is allowing their customers to get paid for something they already do, enjoy their product or service and tell others about it. But of course, this only works with legit businesses. If it's just a phishing scheme, then I agree it's dirty.
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I don't mind referral links. After all, it's my choice to click on them and do my own research on whatever website that referral link takes me to. What I do have a problem with is people creating false information in order to scheme people into something through a referral link. I've seen many of those and they're annoying. But if it's safe and non-sketchy, I don't mind. Like I said, it's up to me to click on them anyways.
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There's nothing wrong with adding ref links for something you truly believe in. I wonder how it would work exactly with steem? Fixed reward or percentage based like 1% of referrals earnings... I just wouldn't want it to be abused.
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there's nothing wrong with adding ref link for something you truly believein.. and my post upvote comment and reply
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This helps me remember the day I post a referral link that explicitly stated I will not benefit from those links but still got auto comment with warning. (I do not blame the owner of the bot.)
I believe the platform should explicitly stating in the sign up page that the user is using a referral link, but will not have disadvantage compare to signing up without referral.
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I think that's an important message! As important as warning users if the site is mining with your CPU. ;)
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hahaha....
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NYC POST I LIKE YOUR POSTS!!
but really... I personally don't really have a problem with them, but I myself have never once clicked a referral link. It isn't a big deal in my opinion, but I can see how it would irritate some.
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wow nice good!!!
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The only fear I have about referral benefits is the pyramid-scheme perception they sometimes give off.
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I pressed enter earlier than I wanted...
To clarify what I mean here: if we use Steemit as an example, I've told many friends about Steemit because I genuinely believe it's a great platform and I feel as though some of my friends can truly add valuable content, and potentially do well in terms of rewards. I don't tell them about Steemit to financially benefit myself. With a financial referral bonus, one of the fears I would have is that certain friends may wonder whether I actually want them to join Steemit as a benefit for them, or if I am trying to earn some sort of referral bonus for my own gain.
(Hopefully that makes sense)
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Yeah I get that "did you really want me to join or did you just do it cause you're making money from my activity?".
I'm looking forward to see how it will turn out, I wouldn't be against it if there would be other sort of rewards that wouldn't directly mean you are gaining Steem or monetary rewards for referrals.
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Yeah, it's a tough one... I definitely see potential pros and cons, but it could very well be a good thing. I like the idea of "creative rewards."
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so i love u your work..
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Yeah, that's understandable and that's kind of what I meant with the ending. I'm glad Steem never used referrals in the beginning cause many would've considered it a scam or a scheme just because of that alone. But knowing the value they give are created or given from legitimate ways it should be okay since there are many sites that use referrals and its a good way to incentivize marketing.
PS. There won't be any bitconnect referrals. :P
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I think referral links are as good as the user who posts them. If someone is obnoxious and spamming them everywhere, then they are going to get a bad name. If they are used in a thoughtful way, then more power to everyone involved.
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nice it so vote please
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There are better ways to do this @riad1112
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I think it is good if you promote a nice program/platform.
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Referral links are okay, because the person who promotes the product gets rewarded for his or her efforts. It doesn't matter if he begs or commands, it is up to him, to decide what he is good at.
At the end, everyone gets theor share, so win win for all. Youtube sucks these days. After you post a video, they demonetize it on the same day or next day. And when asked for a manual review, they remonetize it. But the main time period of the first days of getting the views and therefore earnings is lost.
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A commenter said :
It's same thing here.. the more upvotes and comments, resteem makes the post get to other users and it definitely gets to trending
And for the Referral link ? I don't think I'm okay with it.. there will be a lot of spams!!!!!
A user can refer him/her self 20times in 10mins . It will get abused for sure.. @ned i don't want !!!!!!! 😓
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I don't believe comments change anything about it, the same way as amount views doesn't.
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But is it good sharing referral link?
Let me tell you my concern
Aren't rules are same for all here??
I can tell you some big accounts are doing too much monopoly here just because they are whales, and they simply don't want to be surpassed by others.
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Whats wrong with making a bit more money with referral links? A good blog post can rank high on google. If u have referral links there you could be making more money after the 7 days payout for years to come.
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Yes, I have also kind of same thought about having some way of monetization to utilize possible future search engine traffic. But what I want to talk here is
" Yes people are using referral links, you can notice that in many posts. But those big profile whore shares their referral link on their own posts are flagging new users who does same on his post."
this is the case I'm talking about. If it's allowed on the platform then everybody should get benefit from this. But Why this monopoly?? Why the big accounts only?
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I don't see why you would get flag for sharing a link to make money in your blog. It's the same thing as me sharing a referral link to steemit.com in my website, facebook, youtube or any other social media. Seem like the downfall of steemit will be the whales who are abusing their power. It's like we have to watch everything we do or say as it could have detrimental effect to our rep if ever we caught a whale's attention in his bad day. We should treat everyone with respect and consider their point of view, no matter their SP. I see the good in flagging but there are bad in it too.
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It's my 5th month on the platform.By now I have somewhat realized that some of the whale accounts are whale just because of their money. If you go through their blog you notice their contents are just shit, sometimes a sentence that gives no sense but rewarded $100++. And here are other guys that produce good piece of articles but gets no any rewards/votes.
This way steemit is loosing good content creators and can't attract any new...because they have many options to monetize their contents.
Have you ever noticed whale accounts just flagging some contents because the author is minnow and he's coming to hot/trending page somehow?
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Yes I know a few, but they probably have earned their voters respect or friendship. Same thing as your friends liking your selfie. Do I get jealous that when I make 1000 words post and only get $3. While someone posts only 100 words or less gets $100. Hell yes! But I just focus in my own blog and do my own thing. Regardless of what everyone else are doing. You should do the same.
And no I have not seen whales flagging up n coming minnows. Again, I just focus on my own blog and don't have time to take notice on what whales are doing. I read their blogs, like this guy @acidyo but they are the ones I follow. If I don't like what they r doing then I simply unfollow. Getting into politics in Steemit can only harm you. Strongly advice against it.
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I didn't know about that actually, But a or 2 week ago someone posted a very good analysis with proof on that topic.
Yeah I'm not talking about everybody. I am here because i also like his posts :)
steem on!!
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Obviously adding them in comments onto other people's unrelated posts is frowned upon. I was talking about adding referrals to sites I trust myself at the end of my own posts.
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Hello, @acidiyo I am also talking about the referral links at the bottom of the post. I just shared what I've found on some of the users profile though.
I'm not talking against referral links. Allowing some and flagging others for the same reason wouldn't make it trustworthy. Instead it's discouraging for new users.I've seen scenario on many posts/comments.
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I don't think flagging posts just cause they add referrals to them should be acceptable. It also depends on what the sites they are linking to are and their history.
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Yes,it was. And the guy who flagged it mentioned on comment that he flagged a post because it contained a referral link. The post was good,author talked about steemfollower. reviewed it and inserted his steemfollower referral link at the bottom.
I don't know, is it spam steemfollower link if the article is good enough??
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To me word of mouth is the best way to bring in people, referral is a big no at least for me it is. It shows you're sensibility that you don't ask people now and then to resteem or upvote.
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I remember when I started on steemit, I was like crazy looking for followers and attention, on my second day I entered some FB groups and they were worse than any low-end brothel. That's when I realized the approach I had to take and I told myself "dude here you just have to be yourself and have some fun" Although my steemit growing process is slow, I feel I'm doing just well. People forget how important is to comment and engage with the community, especially when you look for posts about topics you like, after that everything is just natural; you find yourself in a nice community for example, I'm in the best free poker community of the world. You make friends, they follow you because of who you are, you don't need to have a $ sign on your forehead just try to help the best you can and positive results will come out alone. I wouldn't mind seeing referral links, especially in the case both parties win. it was a nice read, Cheers!
Edit: You could also add a non-referral link so you can keep it fair.
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Good Post
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Referral links
I’ve run afoul of @SteemCleaners for this footer which I used to post on all parent posts.
Twitter | Instagram | Medium | Earn.com | Coinbase | Goldmoney | Menē | Jeunesse | @clitadias | @estherdanielle
I’ve stopped using the footer because, I’ve had enough aggravation when caught I was the battle field in the whale experiments. I do not have the voting power to contest the upvote that pushes the scam warning to the top of the comment field.
A human response to a query on the topic is at a human pace, while the bot runs amok.
“Please upvote me.”
I get these regularly from newbies. In the first few incidences, I politely respond. If it continues repeatedly, I just ignore the upvote request.
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I think these kinda things have to be earned not asked for , if someone has interest in the work , they would not hesitate .
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Dude it's very fruitful in reminding others to follow you, sometimes they don't know what to do after reading your post, but when they see in the end follow me, then they sometimes like to do it. It is a kind of reminder :)
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I find this article extremely interesting I recall when I first started I was always asking people to follow me but after a couple weeks I stop asking. I felt that I should probably create great postings so that way I would not have to ask for anyone to follow. you have my upvote
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As a marketer, Referral links are alright but 99% of people tend to throw up on people with them... So no biggie. Hook up the links lol
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Personally, I am not a big fan of referral links... they add something slightly cheesy and scammy to the whole atmosphere, mostly because they have been so terribly overused by MLM and pyramid schemes that a lot of people see them, and you're immediately "guilty by implication" of marketing something slightly shady.
On the other hand, I sometimes wonder if there's a way to do it "tastefully." I mean, post links to their other social media all the time, some people invite folks to "tip" them by posting wallet addresses in several currencies... so where does "acceptable" end and "scammy" begin?
I think part of what we bump into here is social media history... if we dial the clock all the way back to the early days of MySpace, it was basically all just a big "contest" of seeing who could accumulate the most "friends," without much regards for whether or not you truly connected with any of those people. Somehow, people associate "more successful" with "how many friends do I have."
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I am tired of these upvote beggers as well, the thing is the more they beg the more we know the quality and mental of them. Good quality creators usually have confidence on what they are doing, and upvote is not their goals, though it is nice to get, but to express ourself through postings are the most valuable thing. Anyway, referral links is nice but I am still consider about the quality and consistency. This is the most challenging one. Besides, we all have different interests and tastes, those who are good in writing may not good in understanding about drawings or photography or elses, and vice versa for others. I really hope we can discuss more and try to find the best formula to solve this problems. Regards.
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Nyc Post!! I like Your Posts!!
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Really? What a coincidence cause I really like your posts too! Especially the one you haven't written yet, can't wait to not read it and comment on how much I love it!!
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i like the way you lift people to say something and inspired people to create an eye catching post @acidyo. :)
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haha lol @acidyo
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Lol, That's Pretty Cool!!! You Rocks!!! :) I love your this reply as well!!
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I have learned a lot in the steemit. How does one person help another person? Blockchain is a very good medium.
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wow nice post thanks for information
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I have no problem in referral link as long as the people post it can articulate the argument because afterall it helps people to seek more opportunity. Too bad a lot of people just want to make quick money making it more like a spam.
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you don best nice ever post course it also required a leap of faith much like other cryptos do somthing evry topic in life style,
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The user getting referred , must have give consent to be referred, I assume. And in that case I don't think it harms, as long as he get benefited by the referrer.
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Referrals will make it stink like a cheesy MLM pyramid. those using referrals will mislead and lie and use deceptive tactics just to lure unsuspecting victims. It will damage the reputation of the brand for a questionable benefit.
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Hey @acidyo I have one question. Can you tell me how Can I safely use referal links in my post ? Sometimes when i do i get warning from steemclearners. I only recommend sites and business that are genuine and legit. Plz help if any way tell me that I can put referal links without any fear of downvoted. Thank you.
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Got any examples?
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Yes. Check this whole post and its first comment of steemcleners @acidyo
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@i-steem/best-bitcoin-earning-application-fun-for-coin-for-android
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Its only warning people because of the what looks to be a gambling site. There are a lot of scams going around in crypto these days and they are increasing by the userbase, better to warn than not to. If they start flagging you though its a different thing.
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Ok so should I not do this type of post or what ? And if I got flagged can I unflag it by any way? Thanks for the help
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I doubt you will get flagged for that, but make sure to do some research before marketing such websites and using ref links. You wouldn't want your readers losing money cause they followed your advice.
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Ohk I will keep this in mind And always do better research before posting anything :) Thanks for the support Acidyo
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People who spend their time asking for followers and RT are really annoying, it is assumed that it is already a decision of each person whether to follow someone or not, to demand someone to follow him and to give them a reward for that, is something stupid.
Personally I think it is not wrong to use reference links, since many do not usually settle for what they exhibit, some want to know more and more about the subject they exhibit, that is why the reference links would be dedicated precisely to those people.
I am also a little tired of hearing criticism about cryptocurrencies and the release of control they represent, I guess they spend more time watching television and very little time researching and reading.
Use the reference links, but do not overload them, the necessary is fine.
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Referral links equate to income for many bloggers who are into affiliate marketing. I'm okay with that since I'm rather used to it and I actively put affiliate/referral links.
The only thing is i hate people who promote their links just to make a sale, and not to help others first, but they claim that they just wanna help. It's obvious when they're doing that. Also, a disclosure of referral links is required by law in some countries (especially USA). Crap i forgot to put a disclosure for my links in Steemit.
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This is a blogging platform, so im reminded all the time, and referral links are one of the ways bloggers make money. I do it all the time.
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Your effort are strong and I can see it from reputation. And I am glad to know that now you entered in the gaming world. Hay can I contact you by any means.
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wow nice post
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No problem with the referral links if it is already disclosed about the refer.
May be many users don't like referral links but for the owner of the referred content it's may be a big source of it's income.
Not only the owner ,many user also like refer links.
So in my opinion referral link are ok.
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Begging for votes etc is a no no in my opinion. To me it lessens the value of the post. We all know that its what we hope of our viewers so just provide good content. It also clutters the post with nonsense . The same i fear for referral links. Posts will just become like newspapers where you shake all the ads out and realise your left with nothing. All this extra text etc will ballon the blockchain even more than all the spam already on Steemit. Now, please upvot............doh!
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At least for me Referral links are a vicious circle because os Spammers! is a kind of cammo spam. This is a good idea to contribute to @Utopian.io by the way. Cheers!
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wow fantastic post.
thanks for searing.
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I don't see anything wrong with using referral links. The issue is that people don't want to see ads (solution: don't write ads). But it's natural enough to link to helpful things.
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If that happens.. steemit users will boom. Some will stay and will survived but I think dummy account will most likely to dominate :)
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I think that the referral system is really beneficial to both parties. You get a percentage of registrations, in return, share help and useful information. So, I support the idea of referral links :)
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steemcleaners flags any post with referral links...well unless a whale posts it so you should be ok lol
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Congratulations @acidyo!
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I think this is a great idea to increase the user base of steemit. However we are sharing the same reward pool the more people who will join steemit the more competition and lesser rewards to share. I don’t mind really since I don’t really get rewarded that much compared to others and I don’t have much at stake here since I am just a lowly redfish. Maybe not all of steemians wants to increase user base which in a way makes sense, the lesser user base the “lesser mouths to feed” right. For all its worth I think steemit is still a good place to earn extra money and whatever changes there will be in the future we must learn to adapt to it. Cheers and more power to steemit.
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