Vaccines do not cause Autism ?

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agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

The first "Peer reviewed" document in your link is a paper for submission to a conference. The author himself, states in the conference:
This is the result for autism, in which we don't see much of a trend except for a slight, but not significant, increase for the highest exposure. The overall test for trend is statistically not significant.

I will move onto the second document and process each one if you require. Again you are spreading misinformation that ultimately kills children.

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Here are a few:
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2009/09/17/another-weak-study-proves-vaccines-cause-autism/
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/09/16/autism-causation-and-the-hepatitis-b-vaccine-no-link/
http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2013/05/mind-institute-no-difference-in.html
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2012/07/1-hepatitis-b-vaccination-of-male-neonates-and-autism-diagnosis-nhis-1997-2002-2010.html

agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

The third document in your "Peer reviewed" list has been peer reviewed and rejected because it is, put bluntly, shit. Almost half the autistic kids in the report did not receive the HepB vaccine as it had not been rolled out to them as infants. The link between autism and HepB was debunked. There are many references to this weak study and it's dodgy hypothesis online - you should try reading them.

88 "peer reviewed" papers left....732,000 kids lives saved between 1997 and 2013 according to your own sources - but you would rather they were dead. Put that on a t-shirt, see if anyone buys it.

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

Great job researching the links....but....you can't fight what you determine to be misinformation with misinformation. And I quote: "estimated" to have prevented....732,000? What if their estimates were completely made up? That's really what an estimate is, just a guess.

It seems like the more I read about this shit the more I realize the Internet is crawling with trolls paid by the pharmaceutical companies to peddle their fake science to make sure everyone buys into their bullshit.
Think I'm kidding?
Here is what we are finding out about the "science" provided by the chemical corporations so we believe their bullshit scientific papers.
When the fox is watching the hen house, don't believe everything the fox tells you.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

One day hopefully these people will wake up !
These poor kids being damaged by vaccines ! Autism is 1 in 36 now and what are we doing about it ? I Fight every day and then I get people trying to discredit me everyday ! It's like they trust government agencies and drug thugs.
It is sad.

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

It is sad. Fortunately many people are waking up Brother...stay strong.

johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

Autism is 1 in 36 now? According to what statistics exactly?
Fight every day with inaccurate flawed studies and biased tinfoil hat ramblings

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db291.htm

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago (edited)

That doesn't state 1 in 36 ASD diagnoses.
What it does say is:

"During 2014–2016, the prevalence of children aged 3–17 years who had ever been diagnosed with a developmental disability increased from 5.76% to 6.99%.
During this same time, the prevalence of diagnosed autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability did not change significantly.
The prevalence of autism spectrum disorder, intellectual disability, other developmental delay, and any developmental disability was higher among boys compared with girls.
The prevalence of any developmental disability was lower among Hispanic children compared with children in all other race and ethnicity groups."

So, it's increased from 6 to 7 in 100 for developmental disabilities, which includes but is not limited to ASD.

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agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

How about looking at this another way - the rest of World, every medical organisation, rich or poor, new or old, government funded or "Big Pharma" - all agree that vaccines work. They have mounds of evidence and untold millions of people alive. They have eradicated diseases like smallpox from the face of the planet - polio is the next target, funded by "Big Pharma", the Round Table, governments, charity bodies and individuals who care. This is versus a guy called Todd who sells t-shirts. I am not in the pay of any of these bodies, I do not live in the US. My health service is state run - they have no interest in perpetuating disease to make money, the exact opposite in fact. STEEMIT is a global medium, your arguments from the US of A do not scale outside of your country and frankly look ridiculous.

Back to the 732,000 - that was cited by Todd, not by me. He posted that paper as an underpinning to his argument. I am merely quoting his own sources back at him. The TruthTrain has derailed itself.

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

Onc again your research falls short. One look at my page and you would see I am in Canada, not the US. We also have government run health care. I am retired and every time I go to the doctor you know what they want to do? Give me a flu shot, have me shit in a cup, and take some blood. Do you know why?
Because they want to help me? Right. Large corporate entities always have my best interest at heart, not their share holders.
Why do you think my doctor wants me to have a flue shot? MONEY.
Why does my doctor want me to shit in a cup? MONEY.
Every time they do something, they make money. Every time I shit in a cup, a third party private company makes money by processing my shit.

I am sure I can't change your mind, but ALL corporations are in business. Business does not give shit about your health. All I they care about is the bottom line. When this becomes evident, your way of looking at what it is they do and why changes significantly.

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Just look at his profile. Look at mine.
Who is doing research on health, nutrition, autism, cancer awareness?
They are just trolling.
I guess they support these big businesses that could care less about our health. All they care about is that money.
It is sad.

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

I was clear in this conversation that I was sure I wouldn't change his mind. So far, it looks like I am correct!

johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

But you've failed to prove a causal link between vaccinations and developmental disorders. Remember, there is a difference between correlation and causality.

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

What research are you doing? What papers have you published on the subject? Stop deluding yourself into thinking this quackery is anything other than bullshit. You've done exactly no research in 20 years. I have asked you what makes you qualified to state the bold claims you make, and you've failed to. You are the one for whom the burden of proof falls on.

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agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

Why flag that post? This is becoming increasingly petty

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

Go back to my first comment, then click on the link and read the scum fucking comments in the court documents from the lying corporate fucks who put money above all else...especially human life. Then come back and tell me it's all just conspiracy. If you get through all the PDFs without having to go turn CNN on to sooth you back into complacency then we can have a real discussion about truth.

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agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

What is CNN?

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

sailor geek? enjoying life? sounds like you are enjoying trolling someone who is researching the truth behind a world full of lies that you do not see. I should just sit back and do nothing ? what are you doing about it?

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

oh and where do I sign up for this free monies from the chemical industry? I'll jump on their payroll

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

So you ARE ok with spreading propaganda, as long as those wanting to sell it will pay you for your services?
That Brother is just sad.

agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

Free money for stating that vaccines work? I'll have some of that too, so much easier than going through medical school.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Vaccines work? for the drug companies! Injecting healthy babies and creating life long disabilities, diseases and dysfunctions they now have to treat with their drugs.

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

What propaganda have i spread sir? So far, the only ones spreading propaganda are yourself and the righteous @truthtrain

You're the one who said they pay people to spread their so-called "fake" science, so where do I sign up?

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

Your first paragraph is so nonsensical, I had to check whether my coffee had been doped, I thought I was repeatedly misreading it.

"you can't fight what you determine to be misinformation with misinformation. And I quote: "estimated" to have prevented....732,000? What if their estimates were completely made up? That's really what an estimate is, just a guess."

What on earth are you on about mate? He clearly stated that that is a "statistic", if you can call it that, from sources provided by the @truthtrain itself. The point is it's a bullshit stat. An estimate is not a guess, jesus christ. An estimate requires a certain amount of calculation, a guess does not.

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

Feel free to cut and paste the "clearly stated is a statistic" because I do not see that stated anywhere. Keep shovelling....

agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

I'll do it here for you since you struggle to comprehend what you read - it is a statistic, supplied by TruthTrain(sic) as part of his argument. I did not present the information, I merely extracted from what he supplied. It is TruthTrain that you need to direct the questions to as he supplied the information.

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

My sincerest apologies chief, I made the assumption you'd be able to understand that from what was said.

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

Well that settles it. Because agrestic and johngreenfield think it's ok.......even though Corrupt British drug giant GlaxoSmithKline was found in EU court documents to have known their vaccine caused autism.....I guess I'll go get stabbed in the arm. What could go wrong?

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago (edited)

According to NaturalNews.com, that well known reputable source of scientific news.

I counter with: https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/italian-court-awards-compensation-autism-problem-unreliable-expert/

"There is also no evidence connecting any of them to autism, and for one of them – thimerosal – there is abundant evidence to the contrary."

Apparently just pasting links to third party sites is all that is needed to refute a claim.

Edit: Also unable to verify the part where GSK admit their vaccine causes autism, 404
http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/product-monographs/infanrix-hexa.pdf

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago (edited)

oh and I do believe that does in fact settle the argument that the "statistic" that you had issues with was after all from a source provided by @truthtrain

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

And john is a reliable expert ?

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

Not bad.....but, the damaging GSK Report IS available on the link you posted and was evidence in the case. Going to get my shot now...wish me well.

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brimax (62) · 7 years ago

Here ya go: https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

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agrestic (48) · 7 years ago

The second document in your "Peer reviewed" list is not a peer reviewed docuement - it is a proposal for a pilot study. In the document itself it states:

Vaccines are among the greatest achievements of biomedical science and one of the most effective public health interventions of the 20th century [1]. Among U.S. children born between 1995 and 2013, vaccination is estimated to have prevented 322 million illnesses, 21 million hospitalizations and 732,000 premature deaths, with overall cost savings of $1.38 trillion [2]. About 95% of U.S. children of kindergarten age receive all of the recommended vaccines as a requirement for school and daycare attendance [3,4], aimed at preventing the occurrence and spread of targeted infectious diseases [5]. Advances in biotechnology are contributing to the development of new vaccines for widespread use [6].

This message I agree with and it is totally at odds with your nonsense. So not 91, now 89...shall I continue? Or do you wish the 732,000 kids were dead? (cited from your own sources dude)

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Greatest achievements?
If creating life long disabilities, diseases, dysfunctions and deaths is an achievement you are right ! It is working fir big pHARMa now they have to treat you with all the drugs they have firvthe diseases that have caused.

Great achievement!
They are working as planned!
Damn scary benign microbes .

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

You've been asked to provide studies backing up your claims that vaccines cause "life long disabilities, diseases, dysfunctions and deaths", and all you've been able to muster up is more tired pseudoscience quackery that's already been refuted.

"Damn scary benign microbes ."

Wow. Just wow.

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erikraja (15) · 7 years ago

I just got my mmr shot on friday, waiting for autism and other bullshit that you say.!!!!

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

So vaccines do not cause Autism ?
We have no proof?
People have been compensated in court!
The Doctors with a PhD are just a bunch of quacks?
Oh todd those are not peer reviewed ! Really lol
Believe what you want !
Keep injecting known neurotoxins into your precious infant.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Vaccinating with human body parts can cause the recipient to produce antibodies to human tissue. Children produce antibodies to every component of the vaccine, and not simply the viruses. This can cause demylination of the nerves and auto-immune disorders. Children who have been vaccinated with MMR and later suffered autism have been found to have antibodies to their own brain tissue, and this may be a consequence of using foetal tissue in MMR. ‘Susana C. Silva, Catarina Correia and Astrid M. Vicente at the Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Oeiras, Portugal and colleagues studied the blood of a large sample of individuals - 171 patients, 191 parents and 54 healthy controls - and report that autistic patients are in fact characterised by presenting in their blood high levels of non-inherited antibodies against the body’s brain tissue.’ (Dr Catarina Amorim; Journal of Neuroimmunology; Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Observatório da Ciência e do Ensino Superior, Portugal; July 23, 2004).

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Notice that the NIH does not have a National Institutes of Immune Suppression and Infectious Diseases (NISID), they only have NIAID, National Institute of ALLERGY (the opposite) and Infectious Diseases? WHY? Because if they did ever focus on immunosuppression & infectious diseases, that would reveal the mechanisms of the Autism pandemic.

Most importantly, Big Phat Pharm does not want you to know how fungal contamination wrecks vaccines AND kids. You cannot inject fungi into the bloodstream along with live, attenuated viruses because, as the NIH says, the viruses can return to full virulence and actually cause the disease that the vaccine was meant to prevent.
https://badlymeattitude.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/fungus.pdf

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

John O'Leary, Ph.D. in molecular biology found measles virus in the gut of 96% of autistic children compared to 6.6% of normal children. Dr. O'Leary reports that the virus did not come from natural sources it came from the MMR vaccine. He also stated finding the measles virus in 75% of children with Crohn's Disease.

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http://www.swiftjournals.org/sjmms/pdf/2015/september/Bill.pdf

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

AUTISM
Contamination from VACCINES!

The worldwide increase in the diagnosis of autism and autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) together with increasing reports of a regressive onset has caused many to argue that the condition should no longer be viewed as solely, or even mainly, genetic in origin, environmental factors must be implicated, particularly those of bacterial or viral genesis. Pathogenic substances entering the bodies and/or bloodstream (vaccination) of developing children merit consideration and investigation in the search for causation.
The witness and evidence of parents may provide persuasive clues.

Mitochondrial Disorder
In the United States, in a landmark judgement, it was decreed that a child (Hannah Poling) had developed autistic symptoms following multiple vaccinations, including MMR.
―What's unique about Hannah's case is that for the first time federal authorities conceded a connection between her autistic symptoms and the vaccines she received, though the connection is by no means simple. A panel of medical evaluators at the Department of Health and Human Services concluded that Hannah had been injured by vaccines — and recommended that her family be compensated for the injuries. The panel said that Hannah had an underlying cellular disorder that was aggravated by the vaccines, causing brain damage with features of autism spectrum disorder (ASD).
In Hannah‘s case, the vaccine court determined that the underlying dysfunction of her mitochondria puts her at an increased risk of injury from vaccines‖. (35)
Interestingly, there is scientific information available to show that Mitochondrial disease is common in autistic patients and that Mycoplasmas affect the function of mitochondria. In fact Mycoplasma infection competes with the mitochondria and infects the cells containing mitochondria and the mitochondria themselves. (36) (37)
Mitochondrial malfunction can be a symptom of Mycoplasma infection!

Huffington Post article. David Kirby author. 02/25/08 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88323.html
Mitochondrial Disease in Autism Spectrum Disorder Patients: A Cohort Analysis Weissman JR, et al. (2008). PLoS ONE 3(11): e3815. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0003815
Stephen Harrod Buhner, Healing Lyme Disease Infections. ISBN 978-162055-008-3

Recent research in the United States has revealed that decreased tryptophan metabolism which may alter brain development, neuroimmune activity and mitochondrial function, was found in patients with ASD.(59)
Tryptophan is one of the amino acids that Mycoplasmas scavenge from their host‘s tissues.

Decreased tryptophan metabolism in patients with autism spectrum disorders. Charles E Schwartz et al. Molecular Autism, 2013; 4 (1): 16 DOI: 10.1186/2040-2392-4-16

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Autism / Mitochondria

“Children with autism are far more likely to have deficits in their ability to produce cellular energy than are typically developing children, a new study by researchers at UC Davis has found. The study, published in theJournal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), found that cumulative damage and oxidative stress in mitochondria, the cell’s energy producer, could influence both the onset and severity of autism, suggesting a strong link between autism and mitochondrial defects…. Mitochondria are the primary source of energy production in cells and carry their own set of genetic instructions, mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), to carry out aerobic respiration. Dysfunction in mitochondria already is associated with a number of other neurological conditions, including Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, schizophrenia ….”

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Boyd Haley, Ph.D., Professor and Chair of the Chemistry Department, University of Kentucky discusses the issue of testosterone and mercury:

"One of the conundrums of autism is the 4:1 ratio of boys to girls that get the disease. We therefore decided to test the effects of both female and male hormones on the neurotoxicity of thimerosal. The results were eye-opening. For example, 50 nanomolar thimerosal causes less than 5% neuron death within the first three hours incubation and 1 micromolar testosterone causes no significant death within this time frame. However, mix these two together and 100% neuron death was observed at the earliest time point checked. This represents a severe enhancement of thimerosal toxicity."

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Autistic conditions can result from acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) following MMR vaccination as held by the US Federal Court in the case of Bailey Banks. In his conclusion, US Federal Court Special Master Abell ruled that Petitioners had proven that the MMR had directly caused a brain inflammation illness called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) which, in turn, had caused the autism spectrum disorder PDD-NOS in the child:
The Court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD [an autism spectrum disorder]. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was… a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.
[Banks v. HHS (Case 02-0738V, 2007 U.S. Claims LEXIS 254, July 20, 2007)].

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sardar-semi (34) · 7 years ago

vaccine is always bad for children if it is not good quality vaccine.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Sorry to say none of them are quality if you understood how they are made, where
they are made and what is in them.
We don't know all the ingredients because of trade secrets and contamination.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

THANK GOD THERE IS A MUTE BUTTON.
Starting to feel like facebook all over again.

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johngreenfield (57) · 7 years ago

Don't disagree with @truthtrain, it hurts his feelings.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Autism ?

The article in the Journal of Immunotoxicology is entitled "Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes--A review." The author is
Helen Ratajczak, a former senior scientist at a pharmaceutical firm says
Why could human DNA potentially cause brain damage? The way Ratajczak explained it :
"Because it's human DNA and recipients are humans, there's homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."

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http://ethicalresearch.net/positions/the-ethics-of-the-walvax-2-cell-strain/

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Where are they made ?

New aborted baby cell lines added to vaccines. Vaccines made in Brazil, Russia, India, and China. And China becoming the world leader in vaccine manufacturing. The things you wish you never knew

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/92/9/14-020914/en/

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/92/6/BLT-13-133298-table-T6.html

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