The concentration of power in corrupt individuals who think they can go around and abuse their power while they vote up other content higher without a qualm. The wealthy who choose who can and can't get rewarded certain amounts. This is bad for a community. A community that tolerates this isn't a welcoming place for newcomers, or existing people.
You should never hit children as a parent because your buttons get pushed and in an emotional state you can never be sure the punishment is appropriate. There are of course many other reasons like the message it gives the child about problem solving and violence. Some whale behaviour could be viewed like someone powerful hitting a child. Irrespective of the system design, the powerful have the opportunity to see the result of certain actions and acknowledge the affects. Some whales are clearly emotional and inconsistent. As such, their actions cannot be measured or appropriate even if following the current 'rules' so some self-restraint would be appropriate. I could smack my child and get away with it, I could convince myself that it was an appropriate punishment on occasion, but there would be no escaping the consequences or the strong possibility that I was wrong. I would be failing to wield my great power responsibly. I'd be behaving no better than the child I was attempting to educate and control.
This is not about whale bashing and I know the analogy isn't perfect. Krnel doesn't deserve to be victimized because he's making an effort to produce for Steemit and has collected some bot votes. Attacking krnel isn't the best way to help authors who have not yet been recognised. The best way to help them is to grow steemit's user base.
Whales upvoting chosen accounts crap for the rewards is one thing, attacking the rewards of a genuinely productive account is utter madness. All bot owners must continually update their parameters and make an effort to read the material they are voting for or rely upon a heads up from the community.
The issues in steemit are not all about whale power...... please check out this post from lok1 that re-raises the more serious issue of SBD limitations on Steem.
https://steemit.com/witness-category/@l0k1/a-fable-about-a-shepherd-who-also-raises-wolves#@l0k1/re-benjojo-re-l0k1-a-fable-about-a-shepherd-who-also-raises-wolves-20170303t094344717z
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Very good analogy!
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Rule by force is the disease,...
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Kind of Ironic that he calls himself Bernie Sanders who bashed the 1% frequently when campaigning yet this user/whale acts just like the people his namesake frequently bashed. :P Perhaps the name was chosen because it was a good buzzword at the time and there may be no ideological affiliation in the actual choice of the name.
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Sigh... yeah. Well, I will keep calling it out.
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Kernel I have reached out to a guy that helped me when I was being attacked- I told him that you provide high quality content and reminded him that free expression is critical to the success of this platform.
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Indeed. The concentration of power prevents free speech in many cases because people are afraid to get involved and speak against those with the power. None of my posts where that great today, but this issue of choosing who can and can't get rewarded certain amount is not good hehe. Thanks for the support, but the guy you talked to is he going to join steemit? Or whats up? I'm a bit confused.
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I don't fear squat and will fight oppression of free expression relentlessly regardless of the consequences because the consequences of NOT doing so are far more detrimental to what truly matters- our souls.
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And I'll keep flagging your rants and posts that earn for no reason.
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Perhaps the posts earn because people say they are worth something... who are you to try to overstep what others have decided to do? Clearly the reason he is earning on the posts is not no reason - its because peple are agreeing that censorship is taking place... and your actions are proving them right.
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Learn how the system works. The whole point of the flag is to allow users to determine how rewards are allocated.
Also, he only earns because the same bots vote on him repeatedly, something he used to bitch and complain about himself. Hypocrisy at its finest!!
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Ahhh I see, so you wouldn't have a problem with me bringing in a couple thousand new members then specifically to downvote all your posts? I mean as long as they do so with the understanding they must maintain some level of activity to be "users" right?
Before telling me to leran how the system works, why do you go out and study a system that actually works correctly without this level of abuse? Maybe start somewhere like stackexchange, where everything is done by privilege so no one can bot join and bot vote for or against posts.
Seems to me, you are just blatently admitting its a personal vendetta and that is a key factor in defining if something is censorship, or done for the community.
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@cooperativeads
Do as you wish.
It's not my problem he draws attention to his posts where people like me notice they're not really getting any views and it's just bot votes.
Welcome to Steemit, good luck to you!
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The KKK endorsed Donald Trump. He denounced them. Spicer told a reporter who asked him why Trump doesn't denounce every moron who endorses him. Spicer said that would be utterly stupid, and counterproductive. Maybe this person you flag should denounce these bots, so you will have less to worry about? And if after he denounces them and they continue, well, at least he did what he could on his end.
Will that help?
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@berniesanders - In my opinion krnel produces some of the best content on this platform- so what that he freely discusses the inequities that can occur on this platform? Your actions are proving his point. Ultimately he is trying to make the platform more equitable for everyone which I believe in the long run is a win/win scenario. Sure you can pounce upon him and down vote his quality content but exactly what is that accomplishing? I just had Iflagtrash doing that to my posts the other day and without some folks who value free expression I was ready to cut ties and abandon this platform. I mean what the hell is the sense in creating quality content, building a following only to have ONE GUY that you've pissed off destroy all you've worked for- is that really what you want this platform to be?
Nobody with half a brain or self dignity is going to spend the time it takes to produce quality content only to have ONE person come in and systematically devalue their hard work. You are proving the very points of the steemit platform inequities that he makes.
I like steemit- I think it's a great concept/platform and I want to see it succeed and It takes hard work creating quality content to do my part in making that happen but when I see a guy like krnel being attacked for exercising free expression and standing up for what he thinks is right being slammed down and discouraged it only makes me, and I'm sure many others who like krill's content, withdrawal from the platform.
Nobody want to live under the threat of tyranny and frankly you're looking like a bully by targeting him by systemically down voting his content. Please get your ego in check- no man is an island- you may have done nicely so far on this platform in monetary terms but it really is a drop in the bucket compared to what I think you could see in monetary gains but that's not going to happen when you piss off quality content creators who will eventually DISAPPEAR.
Seems to me it's cutting off your nose to spite your face. I urge you to cease your targeted attacks against krnel and consider the harm this sort of targeting does to the future of his platform and subsequently your own best interests. Thanks for reading : )
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You're welcome! Although I disagree with a decent portion of your comment, I'll give it a shot and see how it goes! Cheers!
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Outstanding- win/win!
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Woah I came to Steemit because I heard there wasn't any censorship. Now, I heard another negative thing about Steemit. Straight from a whale's mouth.
But wait. Bernie will listen and try something different?
Well that's a positive .... Bernie might change the tide. THANK YOU
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I'm so sorry, I love your articles. My husband agrees with me flagging to reduce rewards of high earners is very bad for Steemit....
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I wouldn't worry about it. I think it's a stretch to even refer to him as a whale anymore.
I'm sure that he loves these types of posts though, so it would probably serve you better to simply ignore the flags. Eventually he will stop when he sees it's no longer effecting you. That, or within a couple of weeks his flag will be about as damaging as mine anyway, so you will have nothing at all to worry about.
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That's what you think.
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IMO, reducing reward due to subjective disagreement on value of contents is acceptable. But if it's a flagging on a person itself, it can be bullying. I cannot tell which of it is now going around, but will figure out probably soon.
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he kills accounts
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Blah blah blah...rant rant rant... I LOVE welcoming newcomers! I don't like your content and I don't think it's engaging, cry me a damn river. I flag other trolls and junk too...it's not just you.
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Your an inspiration. Your posts rock. Never shut up!
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I won't. Thanks for the support.
Raise a Little Hell - Fight for What's Right!
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I will, also, work to have a voice. I want everyone to win and sometimes I stay quiet but, you are an inspiration.
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Check out: CD #7 - Working Towards a Decentralized Self-Governance of the Steemit Community
And you can better understand the issue and start to advocate for change on Steemit.
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OK thank you.
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https://steemit.com/flagging/@krnel/bad-whales-flagging-content-with-false-irrational-and-hypocritical-excuses#@berniesanders/re-krnel-bad-whales-flagging-content-with-false-irrational-and-hypocritical-excuses-20170223t170502772z
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https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/683778713044656131
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IMO its gaming the system.
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What do you mean Steemit is a gaming system?
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I agree that some folks have too much power. Not much we can do about it right now.
I commented on his a bit ago saying to renounce the bots.
Maybe it is not right for me to say that. The only way I see this flagging stopping is by doing this.
Maybe I am 100% wrong in suggesting this.
I dont know, but I like your posts and I wish this stuff didnt happen.
I hope you are not upset with me over this.
Its a tough situation.
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I don't know much about bots and guilds but I do know when the power whales go off the deep end using the tools to create chaos and despair for good or bad intent the tools (bots/guilds/rewards) should not be taken away from the community that wasn't abusing them in the first place Take them away from the ones that are abusing them. Power down the whales for a season until they get the message not to mess with the community. 3 strikes and your on the bench with no power plays.
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https://steemit.com/entitledtroll/@skeptic/only-person-claiming-entitlement-is-berrnesanders
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