@bellyrub gone full evil? double selling votes, self voting, trying to get 40K from users; triple dipping?

stellabelle (75) · 7 years ago

Not everyone operates this way. More info coming soon....

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6 votes

jonsnow1983 (67) · 7 years ago

I haven't lost faith darling. We're gonna change the world!

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markangeltrueman (67) · 7 years ago

Bring it :)

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motoengineer (63) · 7 years ago

Steemit IS AN ECONOMY though. It is designed to be one. Steemit on the otherhand is a social media website. Technically, I could offer you my services as a structural engineer and we can settle our payment in SBD or STEEM, which ever we elect to at the time of our agreement. That is why the marketplace is setup, why there is a funds transfer set up and also why we have rep points. but if we look at it as a social media environment, then you have to first have zero expectation of being paid. You should be drawn ONLY to the content. if the content suck why use it, if not for its economic utility?

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5 votes

stellabelle (75) · 7 years ago

It's not designed to have untrustworthy scumbags operating shitposting businesses.

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5 votes

motoengineer (63) · 7 years ago

A free market system will always be exploited for good or bad. Bots can go either way. So if you can't code it for good or bad either, so you are left with the free market to decide. We should like @themarkymark does, spread the word so their profits are diminished, but I honestly don't think we need to at the current price of SBD.

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3 votes

surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

So if you can't code it for good or bad either, so you are left with the free market to decide.

We're deciding right here and now that we don't want these type of 'services'. The SBD price only affects the buyer but not the seller. So we definitely need to do more than just sit and wait for the price to manage it.

Good to stumble upon one of your comments again btw :-)

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motoengineer (63) · 7 years ago

whats up @surfermarly!!! boy I feel like I have some steemian friends now!

The way I see it right now is that people bought SBD at $1.00 (or were awarded). Now if you had to choose to cash out your SBD at $2.00 (like i did) or spend your SBD on upvotes... i think cashing out makes more sense. THEN, if you are a bot operator, you're thinking about how much you agreed to pay your delegator in SBD, and hurting thinking about it because you can sell your banked SBD at over 50% markup back into the market. So the delegators are pulling their delegated SP. This is how i see the rise in SBD hurting bots. If SBD maintains a high long enough, the bots who use delegated service will out of business quickly unless they switch their payments to STEEM, which is still relatively cheap!

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Yep, that is correct. The point is, the economy can not exist without the each other. It is a symbiotic relationship between stakeholders and community members for it to have sustainable existence.

As a payment system though it is masterfully designed but then again you need balance in the ecosystem in order to survive. Basically we are dealing with human nature at the current scheme of things.

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battleaxe (69) · 7 years ago

jonsnow, TONS of people feel this way and are in droves starting groups on discord, A Nihilist "who gives a rats ass as long as I get mine" attitude prevalent on this platform (not talking about this post or the people in it by the way, talking about the vibe)........it is driving some good people to make good changes on or off of this platform......lol, Discord seems to be making more content lately O.o

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kawaiipower (61) · 7 years ago

I feel the same way...

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sergiomendes (74) · 7 years ago

But this is a business indeed

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Well during my early days around I got astonished by the blatant money-making schemes I see here and there.

Ultimately, I got eaten by the system and learned to face the reality. This is how things are being done. This is how the way it is.

Just like the real world, nobody has successfully managed a virgin exit from here. We are all fucked! #makesteemitgreatagain

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kissofearth (51) · 7 years ago

Lol they are milking the cow while hungry bloggers dying of starvation and fatigue!

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stellabelle (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

Please support my comment on @bellyrub's latest article because he's trying to hide comments from people who have read this article. In fact, he has flagged a comment in an attempt to hide what's going on.

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rebeccabe (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

@stellabelle vote done

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danyelk (69) · 7 years ago

done on all his posts

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

But is any of this really surprising? When you advertise this place as a money-making/get-rich-quick scheme, then reward shit bloggers, spammers, and scammers, then change protocols to allow widespread, lucrative schemes/scams to occur much more easily, it shouldn’t be surprising to see those things proliferate.

And when you have people who know nothing about Steem or the community becoming witnesses and buying/begging for approval - and getting it - it only makes things worse.

The question is: What does anyone want to actually DO about it?

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

Thank you! It seems you're able to read my mind.

The question is: What does anyone want to actually DO about it?

Sit and wait until anyone else does anything. Like always.

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10 votes

ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

Well, you can support me as a witness - @ats-witness - and hope that I can rise high enough to make a difference. To many witnesses have been either absent or indifferent for too long. The blockchain protocols have been screwed and we’re continuing to see the undesirable effects of them.

Yet nobody acts...or even acknowledges the problems.

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battleaxe (69) · 7 years ago

maybe cause some are the problem, back to my lair to let everyone live out their "Lord of the Flies" fantasy
A lot of this inspired me to write, "Five Easy Steps to Get Your Greed to Level 10"...full of life lessons on how to become exactly like the banksters everyone seemed to be fighting against then a bunch turned into what they were preaching against.
my two pesos

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creatovert (58) · 7 years ago

Voted you @ats-david as a a witness @ats-witness and set you as a proxy too. I don't know you brother. Infact I just followed you although I see you've been a long time here. I have just been here over a week. I don't know how all this fugazi works. But somehow you won my trust. I believe in you for unknown reason. More power to you brother! I have a gut feeling you're gonna do great! :)

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

You have my vote now.

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droopy (50) · 7 years ago

you seem like someone who actually gives a shit, so you'll get my vote :)

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ats-david (74) · 7 years ago

I was giving a shit before giving a shit was cool.

Thanks!

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themanualbot (70) · 7 years ago

I hope you will not end up like those witnesses who lost their faith on steemit.

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battleaxe (69) · 7 years ago

Oh but "to the moooon" right? ;)
this is why I'm glad you are rising in the witness ranks as you are not an amoral narcissist and you tell it like it is......I just float around about 30 discords more than look at a lot of steemit lately and find good content and people, that is pretty sad that a gaming site has become the "go to" for issues mainly imho

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9 votes

lucylin (67) · 7 years ago

maybe- in the long term - it will make all the upvoting bots redundant..... known as ponzi shceme, at some point..
i.e. only idiots would trust scammers and to give them money in the hope of a return maybe, one day , possibly.......hopefully!

Is there anyway 'we' could make any bot activity only allowable, by reputaion? - ie make it impossible if the profile rep. is over, say 45 - Impossible to upvote, comment, or post?
(or something?)

just throwing ideas out there, in the hope people more intelligent than myself, will be sparked!

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markangeltrueman (67) · 7 years ago

Will vote for you as a witness - thanks for supporting me on some of my posts in the past.

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bronevik (61) · 7 years ago

Nice to see how it all runs behind the curtain.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

I had a feeling this one was gonna go sour, please do not send any funds to @bellyrub. Nice work on this one, investigator.

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tony10 (56) · 7 years ago

Yeah. Thanks @themarkymark great investigation into bellyrub. I certainly won't be using their services.

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tony10 (56) · 7 years ago

Wow how'd you end up with a -19 reputation????

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Lol, you the bad-ass man @tony10. But anyway, I'm curious to know the answer too. Haha

Kidding aside, just when I finished crafting and hit the POST button of my circle jerk entry to @berniesanders #bernieblackfriday sale only to found out the contest was no longer available.

Too bad. I ended up listening to MLTR's 25 Minutes. #makesteemitgreatagain

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moorkedi (57) · 7 years ago

10x barnie ..

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reggaemuffin (66) · 7 years ago

Holding this discussion is the right thing and it should be rewarded. Let's get this post some visibility :)

We need bot owners that own up to the responsibility of running a transparent service and I am glad to have competition in @buildawhale :)

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14 votes

dang007 (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

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8 votes

zeartul (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

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4 votes

nevies (56) · 7 years ago

Yea, bro @zeartul, its not too late to set things aright, you can still win everybody's heart if you aim at it honestly.
We're looking forward to it.
#peace

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10 votes

marty-arts (65) · 7 years ago

stay strong!

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ejemai (73) · 7 years ago

Steemit is a place for loving collaboration and that is one reason a lot of us put in everything we have to make it better. But when incidences like these become the order of the day.., you suddenly want to rethink your stand.
Weldone Mark for being as transparent as possible.

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kid4life (68) · 7 years ago

F$%K them... I hosted the #bellyrubchallenge a while ago...

MOST OF THE TIME I HAD TO COVER EVERYTHING MYSELF + VOTES WERE NOT EVEN DELIVERD! Lolz I always had a feeling its all shit... So I ended the damn thing...

BUT FEEL FREE TO JOIN ANY OTHER OF MY CHALLENGES! :)

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3 votes

inspirationalrag (52) · 7 years ago

That is why I never sent a single cent to bellyrub...always knew the people over there only care about the money and don't give a damn about us minnows.
Thanks for the info! Now it's certain I won't ever pay any of these upvote whales.

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bronevik (61) · 7 years ago

You should run buildawhale profitably.
It is pretty understood that such a servise must bring its creators some margin.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Steem power is too expensive. I make curation rewards and I’m ok with that as I am long term. It’s when I have to bring money in to pay for rent that it gets stressful. It’s very close and highly subjective to outside influences like for example the current sbd pump.

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bronevik (61) · 7 years ago

I'm tellinig you this exactly . You earn no profit and bear huge risks.

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gotgame (63) · 7 years ago

This is not the first bad review I've seen about bellyrub, but none has ever highlighted everything I need to know like this one.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention

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binkley (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

I have removed bellyrub from all listings on https://steemthat.com. Thank you @themarkymark for sharing this. Many know that I run the extremely small upvote bot @steemthat and have been concerned for some time about many bots doing some shady crap. I feel sorry for all of those that got burned. @buildawhale is at the top of my list of responsible promotion upvote bots. https://steemthat.com/all-bots-stats-live/

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wix (55) · 7 years ago

I don't understand why he would take the money and run if he had a profitable and pretty successful business.

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3 votes

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

This week has been brutal for bid bots with all the bid bot hate and the rising price of SBD have dramatically reduced the bids for bots. When things are at their worst, people tend to show their true colors more.

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oodeyaa (60) · 7 years ago

Hey friend I think bellyrub gone wild and selfish, by the way thanks for the update

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markangeltrueman (67) · 7 years ago

Great investigation, Feck all these people with only one interest - themselves. I just powered up as much as I could this month from my own money so that I can curate stuff manually and reward people who deserve it and I aim to continue doing this for the near future.

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yummyrum (56) · 7 years ago

Wow that's insane. Prviate bots aren't the way to go. We should have an official Steemit Vote bot and that's it.

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decentropia (61) · 7 years ago

@bellyrubbank's 45% APR deposit was too good to believe. Also, SBD, price fluctuation is never considered in the first hand.

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stellabelle (75) · 7 years ago

thanks for revealing this info. I am not a fan of vote selling in any capacity, and these things just keep getting messier..

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nicnas (66) · 7 years ago

People will continue to take advantage of others and scam. All we can do is fight them one at a time. Maybe some HF changes too.

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marty-arts (65) · 7 years ago

we all would like steemit to be less focused on money, more friendly, social and so on.. but its based on money.. its about business.. and the more money you have here, the more you want to use them to have more with less work.. it is so easy to use them, so why not..

this bots are good for helping people who need their post to be upvoted.. but they pay for it high prizes.. sometimes they dont even get the money they give..

and I dont even remember when I got some upvote from a whale.. its much easier to have a bot where people pay for upvotes.. and you just get money.. doesnt mean your post is a piece of shit.. you paind, thats enough.. and if you have great post but no money? pity.. you can just hope..

money win..

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mawit07 (66) · 7 years ago

I remember when I joined steemit the from page "money talks..." The idea of earning money will always attract people. I think steemit is always trying to lure people in and making them think it is easy to earn a ton.

The feeling of getting a whale's vote for not putting in your own money I think is priceless. I have not gotten one yet but have gotten +$1/votes before. It makes me feel very happy to earn that even though I likely could have earned more doing something else with the effort I put in. Yet that is part of life where things that are worth something do not come easy. I hope bellyrub teaches people this and make the steemit community as a whole better.

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davebrewer (59) · 7 years ago

Great bit of research, thanks for the analysis and for sharing.

Human nature and inherent variations won out with the bellyrub it seems, some people are ultimate slime when it comes to screwing others over for a few extra dollars.

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tipu (67) · 7 years ago

Some time ago I wrote about the rise of voting bots. Is it time for the war of voting bots?:D Anyway good post, thanks for bringing this out. We need as much transparency as possible as there's no "police" to sort this things out. Cheers!

PS. Can you tell your opinion about @booster? Reading this post something tells me that @buildwhale is the most honest one ;)

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago (edited)

Some time ago I wrote about the rise of voting bots. Is it time for the war of voting bots?
Most voting bots are on the up and up I believe, that doesn't mean you will always be profitable. Voting bots are not cash machines, they are advertising tools. Not everyone agrees with voting bots, but they do offer a valuable service when running transparently and honestly.

@bellyrub has had a long history of self-voting and selling votes privately. Now it has gone to a new level. Asking Steemians for 40,000 Steem to get 8M delegation when they haven't even been making good on their existing small bellyrub bank offer was a new low. Why should they be trusted with 40,000 Steem, even more importantly why should Steemians have the front the cash for their business. Luckily the "deal" was shut down within an hour or so before too many people lost money.

PS. Can you tell your opinion about @booster? Reading this post something tells me that @buildwhale is the most honest one ;)

I can't speak for @booster, and I run @buildawhale so my opinion is biased.

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techslut (70) · 7 years ago

OMG you're an actual person behind the user! :gasp:

Hate to be THAT kind of steemian, but I would really like your opinion on my latest post. I think it is relevant to your interests as you're already halfway there to implementing it.

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tipu (67) · 7 years ago

Let me check it ;)

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techslut (70) · 7 years ago

Just posted a new one, so it's the one about the voting bot that can grow steemit.

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nicnas (66) · 7 years ago

A lot of people feel entitled and a lot try to take advantage of others. They hide behind the their account moniker. The only solution to this is, as a community, protect each other. As there is no policing force. Similar to how bernie has taken it upon himself. The steem community will never be perfect, there will always be greedy people. But we can fight the scum and keep building an amazing community here. @themarkymark keep it up. I love working with you and @buidlawhale. I love what possitive it brings to the community where other "services" bring such negative.

blaineb (58) · 7 years ago

Why do you all hate the free market so much?

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Free market? He was advertising a product then selling that product 4 times diluting the product without disclosure. Not to mention stealing money.

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blaineb (58) · 7 years ago

No different than a bank leveraging deposits 9:1.
Did he use force to make people use the service?

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

He sold a product without disclosing it wasn't what was being sold.

It's like selling a Mustang, but instead of putting in a V8, putting in a V4 without disclosing it and all sales are final.

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filipinalife (55) · 7 years ago

I work so hard to post but it doesn't work so well but making a good post earn reputation.... This post helps to those who wants to try to get something back from the hardwork.. 😊

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steemitqa (64) · 7 years ago

Thanks for being so transparent @themarkymark . This is how things should be. Thanks!

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5 votes

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Running a bidding bot isn't the most popular activity here, but running it fairly and transparently is the only way see it being sustainable.

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steemitqa (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

I have a really bad feeling about this as this might our first bid bot ( exit scam -aka fire sale ) happening before our eyes. I hope I'm wrong. I've been holding off saying anything ,but I hope people don't get taken!

Update: This just ReSteemed from BellyRub's main account ?
https://steemit.com/bellyrub/@ilyastarar/scam-alert-bellyrub-gone-rogue-please-don-t-send-sbd-i-repeat-don-t-send-sbd-806797fe4438f

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7 votes

cheftony (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

UPDATE
https://steemit.com/bellyrubmassacre/@zeartul/i-do-not-own-bellyrub-any-more

(self voting only for visibilty)

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

At this point, I believe this is false.

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cheftony (59) · 7 years ago

probably.
He's leaving to many traces, like poloniex transf and many others. I hope most of this exchange block to receive funds from this scammer.

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cheftony (59) · 7 years ago

I've just checked his
poloniex memo 2e406d3a0c966c45
account related: bellyrub, zeartul,zear

He's still the owner of bellyrub

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theabsolute (63) · 7 years ago

Sounds shady

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ansarikamran (7) · 7 years ago

i send somany request to freedom but dont get any loan bcoz of my score ..

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

That's got to be really rough.

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ansarikamran (7) · 7 years ago

im leaving steemit bcoz of my score i tryed so much but nothing happning..

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probin1025 (32) · 7 years ago

very good post

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joeyp978 (41) · 7 years ago

Interesting.

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pewdiepievevo (15) · 7 years ago

Have followed everybody here, dont forget to follow back.
Thanks.

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maryanaro (51) · 7 years ago

No trust for the bot since now.

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nicholas83 (56) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the heads up. I could have easily been fooled.

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nicholas83 (56) · 7 years ago

I had to resteem.

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nicholas83 (56) · 7 years ago

Just to say. I understand the need to make money. I want to get bucks for my posts too. But what about just doing so in an honest way? There will always be people like these out there so thanks for keeping us up to date. It is wonderful that you took time out to make this post.

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awolesigideon (51) · 7 years ago

I just wish people would see Steemit for what it is; A community to connect with people and express yourself, not an avenue to hoard money. Can't we all just write beautiful content and connect meaningfully? Nawa o

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

This is a way to double dip, now @bellyrub is selling votes via bidding windows, self-voting, and selling them on Minnowbooster for a triple dip combo.

Triple what?
To be honest I'm dizzy after reading your article. It's hard to see some light at the end of the thicket. Even though from my understanding it's been mainly a pure rip-off, being especially the vote buyers the ones who are at a clear disadvantage. Just considering one of the examples you copied here: account like @anotherpoet are mathematically losing money.

It's not profitable!

You can't pretend to promote smaller accounts if you're actually trying to exploit them no matter what.

This is completely 100% against the philosophy of steemit.

Thanks for the research!

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

triple dipping.

You have Steem Power that is limited voting power. That voting power was promised to users who used @bellyrub by sending 0.500 SBD+ with a post in the memo. It is expecting that voting power will be used for people who bid for a vote.

Bellyrub has been self-voting his two accounts, which means the bidding windows are longer for the same amount of voting power. So typically people get half of what they paid for or less.

Then votes are also being sold to Minnowbooster for $40-50+ depleting, even more, voting power, making the windows even longer.

Now after the post, he was selling votes privately (which has been done in the past).

All these activities take away the voting power that people pay for with their bids. When this happens, a commodity is sold under false pretense.

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

Thanks for taking the time to explain everything in detail.
Seems to be a real mess!

I've got some questions for you and your business if you don't mind:
Do you believe that vote buying makes a real difference for someone who doesn't have a considerable amout of SBD? I mean there are some they spent their whole wallets in upvotes in order to get a trending position (probably even losing money on the way). Obviously, these people get something in return: visibility / attention. However that doesn't happen to people who are only able to pay small amounts - and these are actually the ones that have difficulties in getting notices.

Also it's only a straw fire. Nobody will remember somebody that eventually made it to the top 10 once in a lifetime. People remember characters and their stories, they remember people that make a difference.

Just look at the reports from Steemfest. That is real networking and promotion for the platform that generates long term growth. Which part in vote trading generates long term growth?

I understand the idea to feed an obviously exising demand for attention. But from the overall perspective, how can services like @buildawhale (just to mention one and since you're close to it) be able to contribute to this platform in the long term? I don't see it. Once people run out of SBD, they don't get any more visibility, lose their interest and their blogs become some of these dead accounts, and we're having quite a lot of these already. How are you able to prevent that? Isn't user retention the most important task we're currently having?

Also: which plans do you have for your return? Right now you're not powering down the account, but doing transfers to your own one (@themarkymark). Is the intention of @buildawhale to somehow re-invest in this platform?

These are many questions and maybe you're not wanting to ask them all. I'd be happiest if you only answered the ones regarding user retention and long term growth :-)

Have a good Monday!

bitcoinflood (77) · 7 years ago

bound to be corruption when massive amounts of money are at stake dang id vote the heck out of myself if my vote was worth $100 talk about easy money

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mawit07 (66) · 7 years ago

I have seen a few steemit verterans who don't even have a single post or comment and has over +100k in SP. They seem to do very well just curating as people donate SBD to them for giving the upvotes unknowingly. So I hope to believe not everyone would abuse the system. That would ruin steemit.

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jeezzle (70) · 7 years ago

This is one bot that I never had much faith in. It's frustrating to see bots go out the window before they were used for anything good. Instead of being used for good all they did was promote terrible posts and things like that. Of course that's all personal opinion and as such it is subjective.

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mckenzie259 (56) · 7 years ago

interesting post. Followed and voted re-esteem happy steeming.

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polaleye50 (62) · 7 years ago

I have stopped using @bellyrub for sometime and other upvoting bot, because using them is not the way out. When you write quality post and you are fully engaged with others things will surely work better one day. I learnt that from @papa-pepper and @sweetsssj among others. Since i had lost almost 17 sbd to bellyrub i stopped using it.

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donnaincancun (55) · 7 years ago

Omg! Seriously?! I dont think i've ever used bellyrub im not really a fan of these upvote bots. They all seem a little dodgy to me! Doesnt really surprise me that this turned out to be a self upvote bot for the owner.

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walky123 (44) · 7 years ago

There are businesses arriving on Steemit and they all care about not but money. Sucks. >:(

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Most of the users posting shit posts only care about money, it's not just businesses.

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scalerman (46) · 7 years ago

This is what happens when bots take over the platform :(

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hoschitrooper (54) · 7 years ago

Very Interessting Post, that why i hit the resteem button...

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cecirod1218 (57) · 7 years ago

Thank you mark for explaining this mess but I only use buildawhale so I'm happy😊

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

bryan-imhoff (66) · 7 years ago

Love to see what you turn up as I know little about the situation... but I would think your latest update is probably correct and @bellyrub never changed hands.
Given that @bellyrub was still sending funds to @zeartul today as the chaos was going on, I could only guess that the pitch to “expand” the service the past couple days was a bid solely at keeping it solvent. When that failed it was cash out time...
We’ll see how this plays out.

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xabi (71) · 7 years ago

These kind of activities are spoiling the soul of steemit..its a cancer which needs urgent treatment. Very nice @themarkymark for pointing out...

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everittdmickey (73) · 7 years ago

I'm so shocked
who would ever have expected that to happen?
oh dear.

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walidsalah (57) · 7 years ago

I hope that I do not see fraudsters get bonuses, so the regime in Stemit has to follow them and stand against them
They are taking a reward that is not their right or their effort. The regime must stand against all this

When you have people and friends who do not know much about Steam or the community becomes witnesses and buying / begging for approval - and getting it - makes matters worse

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rebeccabe (63) · 7 years ago

Thanks for this post @themarkymark ... yes I saw the post from @bellyrub earlier and felt it was over the top.. this thing will implode if people go crazy..and that is what the offer appeared to be to me, crazy.
Here is the link from about 1 hour ago, and yes I did notice the comments from all the steemians asking where their money is (somehow it seems more critical when we don't use the minnow name) https://steemit.com/bellyrubsale/@bellyrub/send-any-amount-over-10-to-get-2x-worth-profit

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robbinsmith (46) · 7 years ago

This is such great info to unveil this because he has taken my money which I earned it by comments day in and day out on others post and it took many days.

It's been now 12+ hrs and there is no upvote from bellyrub

It's not Good to take someones money.

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masud123 (15) · 7 years ago

very good

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endymionoriax (44) · 7 years ago

Just an FYI - clicking that " power up " check box ; means that when you make your post ; it automatically upvotes the post you have just made .

So there is a reason for self voting - now as for the way he runs things ; im not 100% too sure as i am still very new to this platform and i only ever check once or twice a day ; much like facebook .
But i would very much like to understand how to become a whale to help others .

I see a number of posts like this with the business aspect of running a service on steemit for the votes and such, is not fulfilled by the provider of the service - a few times it has even happened to me .

I would like to create a large post about people who run services ; that are actually legit in their business proposals and their methods .
As well as their motives and intentions .
I hope to see everyone connect and become helpful to one another and to teach each other .
It is the reason i have joined this platform .

I would like as much information as possible on all subjects of services on steemit and how they work to better the upvotes and such for authors and content creators ; i have found a few services that i like to use but i also like to become more diverse in the range of services that i have access too .

If you would like to assist me then please ; all i ask for - is information, on as many services like yours, or bellyrub - any information at all ; good or bad .
It will help everyone in the long run as i plan to make a large enough post with enough names to not have to worry about paying for the resteem / upvote services .
Just so that i can get a little bit of help out of the deal as well ;P

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

When you control millions of SP that people are bidding for, self-voting isn't acceptable.

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blaineb (58) · 7 years ago

Thats merely your opinion.

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Isn't everything?

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minoblue (33) · 7 years ago

thanks for revealing this info.

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blackfyrebliss (33) · 7 years ago

I once read one of @bellyrub's post and read about the self-voting part. It isn't allowed, is it? Looks like self-interest votes for me. New user here by the way.

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arista (47) · 7 years ago

Nice...good post

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amirul (61) · 7 years ago

i will share good crypto-signal....last night given signal okcash and its goes 10% profit..new signal coming

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dylen (46) · 7 years ago

Now..I think I'm beginning to understand more about .. whats going on..so we really need this to get more in what we do here..and there will be no possibility at all to really do it ourself...we are depending on some of these bot to empowering thing that we do here...correct me if I'm wrong..Thanks

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sumeet9696 (46) · 7 years ago

Just came to read the comment 🔥

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nagavolu (52) · 7 years ago

OMG i am new to steemit. such ones are really taking a ride. good research. hard workers are victims. bad practice. you did a good thing by letting it out.

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taimoorahmad (58) · 7 years ago

What is going on at steemit???.

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greatvideos (59) · 7 years ago

@bellyrub and @zeartul should be out of Steemit.com
I got scammed too and had to chase him for my refund

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mawit07 (66) · 7 years ago

OMG this is so messed up. Who is @freedom? Why are there so many of these accounts with unknown ownership? For all those who scrap by just to make a better community on steemit it is sad to see that this is a very corrupt ecosystem.

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antoniokt (46) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the good information. It's very interesting

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omarid (17) · 7 years ago

follow me plz
https://steemit.com/@omarid

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davedickeyyall (73) · 7 years ago

Wow.. I had no idea.. good investigation

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talltim (57) · 7 years ago

Another nail in the bot-infested Steemit coffin.

Shame, it could've been much more.

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @themarkymark!
Your post was mentioned in the hit parade in the following categories:

Comments - Ranked 3 with 124 comments
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inuke (59) · 7 years ago

Thanks for letting us know. But what actions can be taken against such activities for stopping it from spreading any further.

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sojib24 (42) · 7 years ago

Awesome post friend.
I like your all content because your content type and quality is so good.
best of luck go ahead friend.

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armshippie (60) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the information. I hope to see the rest of the story from the man himself.

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vindy (57) · 7 years ago

Thanks for your info.... How come bellyrub do this with steemians. Its useless to send any amount.

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roji.abraham (52) · 7 years ago

@themarkymark I really wish Steemit actually starts stopping this kind of pimping of the system. Right now what is happening is that people with enough SBD just buy votes and get even their really mediocre posts on top of the trending posts - it's a huge disservice to newbies or those who write or post decent material but can't get enough exposure because they are not in a position to keep pumping money.

Sometimes it's jsut sad when genuine bloggers spend hours carefully crafting posts and getting steamrolled over by those who buy their way into all the hot and trending categories..

This results an system that ensures the rich get rich and the poor get poorer - reminds me of a crony capitalist environment.

Steemit should provide for egalatarian opportunities and there should be just an offical promoted section where promoted posts are featured and this kind of underhand dealing should stop for keeping steemit fair.

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roji.abraham (52) · 7 years ago

And yeah, now bloggers like me feel the heat to look for paid upvotes so that our content can get some decent exposure, and to think when I joined steemit, I believed, having great content was the one way to get good exposure and rewards..

Sigh, if only wishes were horses!

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shonyishere (56) · 7 years ago

I hope greediness in people won't bring down the quality and value of steemit :(

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aejackson (56) · 7 years ago

it is so sad that Steemit - such an incredible tool meant for good, creativity, and sharing talent - can be so easily corrupted by intentionally disruptive and community damaging acts of greed and selfishness.

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greenbeans (44) · 7 years ago

I start watching his wallet and see if he create multiple accounts by transferring SD or SP to another account so he can dump Zeartul or Bellyrub. I would also include Bellyrubbank.

This sounds like the making of bsanders II.............

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ironshield (69) · 7 years ago

I appreciate the hard work it takes to keep something like this going. What happened to @bellyrub is alarming. Keep being honest and steem on! @ironshield

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dcwordofmouth (43) · 7 years ago

Right on!

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https://steemit.com/witness/@mineopoly/voting-for-the-best-witness

mineopoly (64) · 7 years ago

My opinion.... in case anyone is interested.

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mineopoly (64) · 7 years ago

Cheers to the best witness!!

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omarionss (28) · 7 years ago

Whale

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portiajay (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

This whale stuff is all so confusing...... Sigh. Is there a direct site I can go to understand how to even jump on the whale of I decide to? I do understand the concept of how it works, but I have never understood how to get to the top, where do I apply?

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izge (51) · 7 years ago

This is a very good content and quite interesting. Thanks.

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sajjad711 (10) · 7 years ago

cryptocurreny have lot of scams like same account but how it can be regulated....

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mdshipu678 (15) · 7 years ago

Brother, I am very poor, please Upvote me day, please continue reading my reading from here please https://steemit.com/@mdshipu678

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mdshipu678 (15) · 7 years ago

Brother, I am very poor, please Upvote me day, please continue reading my reading from here please https://steemit.com/@mdshipu678

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phelimint (68) · 7 years ago

I suspect we'll continue to see lots of controversy around these voting bots.

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scaredycatguide (73) · 7 years ago

Keep up the good work @themarkymark

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binkyprod (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

Another reason not to use Paid Bot Upvote services. Not worth the hassle.

Edit: I realise there are good hearted bots out there, with people who truly want to help, but the existence of bots as a whole is what causes the existence of such scammers. There must be a better way to accomplish the good some honest bots want. Who knows what that is, though.

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kingyus (59) · 7 years ago

I just wish, wether it is @buildawhale or @bellyrub, to get it right !

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oneday1 (44) · 7 years ago

Double Double Double!!! ..Everything here is about upvote

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jraysteem (60) · 7 years ago

I am depositor of @bellyrubbank. Any one can help me? Thank you for this post. Im looking for return of my sbd. On that time it almost equivalent to my 1 month posting on steemit "my 25 SBD to @bellyrubbank" thank you!

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

Right now we are getting information together and trying to get a legal case against him. Unfortunately, it is unlikely you will get it back.

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kissofearth (51) · 7 years ago

I wonder why people with so much power and potential money in the future do that. What drives them to slay the golden hen to get all the golden eggs at once? And that's not all, destroy the value of community in a long run just out of one freaking impulse, why they do this???

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