How Did Our Bid Bot Experiment Go?

jongolson (74) · 7 years ago

Obviously, the songs are epic! LOL Always enjoy them.

But this was a fantastic experiment and numbers to back up exactly why bid bots can be a very effective promotion strategy. Goes to show that great content like yours can trend and attract a new audience.

Well done!!!

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks @jongolson! Exactly, it's nice to know that now everyone has the option of being on the trending page if they're willing to put some money behind their content. 😎

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jongolson (74) · 7 years ago

Absolutely. I think when people understand you basically spent 2.5 STEEM for all those new followers , increased reputation and oodles of new exposure...It's pretty much the best value out there for advertising and promotion.

Did it help that the content was hilarious and memorable, absolutely. But that's not the platform's (Steemit) responsibility to 'create' the content...That's ours as creators. The cream will rise and the bots helped it shine!

I love this case study guys. :)

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zubairimtiyaz (25) · 7 years ago

very good guys

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drumoperator (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

I basically did the same experiment and came o more or less the same conclusion, although my take was closer to -30 percent. When has music promotion ever been free?Not for my tenure that’s for sure. Today’s experiment however...much better. :) See y’all on the trending page! 😉

syedmohsin333 (35) · 7 years ago

how much steem is spent on the promotion of a post?

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embroiderynews (25) · 6 years ago

@embroiderynews Follow me and upvote. I will do the same and i will upvote for you on your posts

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rakib002 (18) · 7 years ago

we want soning 😕

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wassimxdz (25) · 7 years ago

........

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jkgautam (6) · 7 years ago

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jkgautam (6) · 7 years ago

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sarkoo71 (25) · 7 years ago

Yeah the songs are really epic as hell:))

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vaibhavlakshmi (34) · 7 years ago

obviuosly its worthlesss due to ur investing cost is as high as r getting then at the conclusion in what way we got good reviews and votng on our post big bot

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syedmohsin333 (35) · 7 years ago

they had their great effort

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oldtimer (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

Basically, you spent 2.5 steem on your promotion and got some good results, which is exactly the purpose of bid bots.

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Exactly, it was great promotion. I think if more people used them and drove up the bid prices... then people would only use them if they really believed their content was high quality, thus perhaps creating a better trending page... but I guess we'll see how it all plays out!

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4 votes

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Hey, top follow up track! Glad you picked up some more Cryptobabes :D

I'm just wondering about this:

think if more people used them and drove up the bid prices...

Currently, I don't see how it would work out that way, but am happy to be educated.

To me, more users would mean fuller bidding rounds (depending on what limit the Bot has for ROI) and thus a smaller vote = less promotion. The only winners here being the Bot owner and delegator/s.

Anyway, the 'experiment' continues and hopefully Steem will make it out the other side!

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks man! When bid values exceed payout values (so a negative ROI for users) then instead of an arbitrage opportunity, bid bots will create a true market for promoting content. If users can only use bid bots at a loss, then every dollar spent on that promotion is presumably backed by content worthy of that promotion cost. Does that make sense?

Of course, as you mention, the down side is that the bid bot owners/delegators will be making an increasingly bigger ROI for doing basically nothing lol.

I think it would be a cool experiment for the community to publicly create a bid bot and burn the private key, and then the account just powers up all the bids, but essentially all STEEM/SBDs sent to that account would be powered up forever. So it's kinda like burning the STEEM, which would profit the whole community rather than a few individuals.

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cryptkeeper17 (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Another song title you could use...Sad but true. You guys did pretty well breaking even in this trainwreck of the last week if that's the case, well done, very nice exposure to the Tenacious D of steemit. Did you ever think of becoming a power trio?

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

lol there's been talk of collaborating with a parrot at some point in the future! and I think we all deserve a market bounce sometime soon 😎

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Lol SteemBert!

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Yip lol, that's the guy! 😎

cryptkeeper17 (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Haha you need to dye his head white so he has the steem emblem on top of his head, he has the nice blue coat for it! You need to teach that thing how to comment, all they need to know is nicepost.

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cryptkeeper17 (64) · 7 years ago

That's awesome! It cracks me up that people get pissed on here when someone they don't know rises high in the trending. That is like the used car salesman telling someone, "I would sell you that $60,000 barely driven car but I don't like the shirt you are wearing." Ha, self righteous people are comical in my book. IF that parrot can play an instrument by the way you might have viral gold.

doomsdaychassis (63) · 7 years ago

I know right? every time I try to use bots I loose my ass. To only loose 2.5 SBD you are doing great. Keep up the good work.

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revisesociology (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

A possible downside you don't mention with using bots is that you might just be assisting in the process of 'sucking wealth upwards' to the people who delegate to bots - clearly from your massive reputation gain, this is mainly going to the early adopters.

You've clearly gained from using them, but I think the people who run them and delegate to them benefit even more.

Everyone else who doesn't use them, however, loses, which means that if individuals are going to act rationally they must use also use them - this basically empowers the wealthy.

Surely it's a strategy that just increases inequality, distorts the reputation system and basically just puts people off joining, thus undermining the whole platform?

Isn't it basically a WIN (bot owners/ leasers) win (bot users) LOSE (everyone else) situation.

I'm aware that fryst who runs one of the bots has a severely individualistic outlook on life so literally couldn't give a toss about the consequences of his actions for everyone else, but I had the feeling you two were a bit more 'socialist' in nature, and had some kind of ethical break that prevented you from engaging in activities that undermined the broader social base?

Maybe I was wrong, or maybe you've turned? It is hard to support the commons when it's economically irrational to do so at an individual level after all.

At some point I might just say fuck it all and just delegate all of my stake to bots for return, might be the only way to become and real steem WINNER, it's certainly the easiest!

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the comment, you make some good points, especially the one about distorting the reputation system.

I personally view the bid bots as just another Steem experiment, Steemit could put an end to the bid bots any time they want, but they are letting it play out. I personally like their hands-off approach. I don't think any individual can know how Steem/Steemit is supposed to evolve, blockchains are just a dance between code and human self-interests.

I think it's important to assume that the whales who are profiting from the bid bots, are the same whales who were previously engaged in less transparent self-voting schemes, in order to maximize their ROI. To me, bid bots are just the lesser of the two evils, since at least now people can promote their content in a meaningful way. That wasn't the case before. What would be great is a blockchain based bid bot system that burns all the STEEM received. Obviously this would have to be permanently backed by a massive benevolent whale... @steemit (cough).

Personally I think the most obvious way to fix Steemit's underlying distribution problem is to move to an account based voting system with oracles. Then bid bots would no longer function. I think this may be on the roadmap but I'm not sure it's possible.

Isn't it basically a WIN (bot owners/ leasers) win (bot users) LOSE (everyone else) situation

Everyone can and should run or use bid bots right now if they want to. That's currently the way the game is being played. It would be like playing baseball and not stealing bases cause you think the game would be better without stealing. Meanwhile, everyone else is stealing bases.

To me, bid bods seem to have way more pros than cons given the current and past states of Steem, so I think it's an experiment worth seeing though. And the more people that use them, the more accurate the experiment results will be.

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revisesociology (73) · 7 years ago

Hi,

Thanks for the detailed reply,

blockchains are just a dance between code and human self-interests.

The sociological term, which also incorporates the 'hardware element' into its definition is 'transhuman assembalge'.

I'm kind of with you on using bid-bots in the sense that if everyone (or at least the vast majority) used bots as much as they could then IF they are detrimental to the platform then it would just make their negative effects more obvious, and reveal the results more quickly.

Of course weird things might happen with scaling up the use, you never know!

I'm also for trying these things out... I did try out bots a while back, but with only a few $ each time, I made a positive ROI for the most part, but just didn't really like the feel of it very much.

I agree about oracles, I mean what's the point of competing with everyone to hit the trending pages when writing about different things, it doesn't make any sense.

The burn option is something I hadn't thought about... Way to techno-socialist to be considered I think.

I personally won't be using them to promote my own posts, it doesn't make sense for me, as I said, increasing delegation to vote buying services is a possibility though, which is effectively the same as using them to promote yourself were ethics are concerned!

Nice baseball analogy.

mountainjewel (68) · 6 years ago

thanks for the detailed and educational discourse you two!!

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sergiomendes (74) · 7 years ago

That looks like a good result. And also you can't forget that You have also won a good amount of STEEM Power. So that 2.5 "loss" in the long term it is not a loss I guess. I wish I had that much to invest in some of my posts to promote them eheheh :) but it is a good case study. :) thanks for sharing it.

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Yeah, we counted the Steem Power in the overall value received, but you're right in that Steem Power goes up slowly over time. Another interesting note though is that using bid bots forces people to power up half the STEEM they're using to promote the post.

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sergiomendes (74) · 7 years ago

Yeah and that is something positive when it comes to influence the value of steem in the market. The only negative that I see with bots in this days is that is making a lot of people lose the sense of community and engaging and being creative. :( I feel the community have been really "dead" latelly

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

I feel like when steem is down, lots of ppl stop engaging.. i’ve been through a few of these down markets and that’s the trend. For me... this is the time to be extra active and post!

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sergiomendes (74) · 7 years ago

Yeah always create no matter what :) because I love what I do and I clearly don't do it just for the rewards... otherwise I probably would have gave up long time ago lolol

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por500bolos (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Haha @steembirds, I enjoyed big time the lyrics and the performance of your ironical Bid Bot Experiment song.

But I think that I've enjoyed even more the fact that a post filled with true Sense of Humor, remarkably funny eloquence & hilarious sarcasm finally had reached the fucking top of the Trending Page. ¡The Mother fuck'n top! 'They' like it or not!! LoL

I feel the community have been really "dead" lately

On other hand, as for @sergiomendes comment. I fully agree with @jaybird & him. Lose some money in promotion through the use of bid bots, could be paid back as profit only in kind. But basically, also in detriment of the sense of community and engagement whilst we are being creative in the process like they say.

Btw, and on this "dead" department.. ¿Do any of you speak or understand spanish? };)

Cheers!!

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sergiomendes (74) · 7 years ago

I guess we only can go with the flow and see where this will take us. And no I can't speak Spanish:/ portuguese speaker in here eheheh

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por500bolos (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Ah! portuguese then @sergiomendes? Well, maybe not so far as to be able to decrypt & understand thoroughly my fearsome Spanglish. Hahahaha }:)

Cheers!!

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

You don’t necessarily have to hit the main trending page for this to be successful for content u believe in.. trending in whatever category is most relevant might be enough & then u don’t need as much investment capital ;)

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sergiomendes (74) · 7 years ago

I get what You mean I think. And yeah you don't need to hit the trending page to be doing good profit but when the majority of the posts there now are using bids to get there you lose the opportunity to be seen by different people and be discovered. And to have that money to invest you need to be in a high position already or otherwise it gets difficult to be found. And as an artists you just want people to appreciate what You create.

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abix (64) · 7 years ago

Epic Song :)

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zainenn (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Please watch my video about steembottracker.com. Because of your too big bid you made everyone lose money on their investment. EVERYONE who was using the bot you bid so high on, lost money. So please do not use them unless you know how. They can be profitable if people don't get greedy.

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

The goal of bid bots is not for them to be profitable to the people that use them. That's just a short term arbitrage opportunity... the free market will always close that gap. Inevitably, the bids will become higher than the payouts and that's when we will have a true market for promoting content.

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zainenn (69) · 7 years ago

However, currently they can be profitable, and they could always be when more bots are added. However, it will never be profitable if people bid out of control.

Posted using Partiko Android

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

You're basically asking everyone to work together to share an arbitrage opportunity. That's just not how markets work. Plus, individuals profiting on bid bots adds very little (if any) value to the community. Whereas, bid prices that represent a real promotion cost (above zero) will add value to the community because they will represent content that's presumably worthy of that promotion cost. Basically you're looking at bid bots as a way to make free money and I'm looking at them as a way to promote quality content.

zainenn (69) · 7 years ago

I look at bidbots as a way to make profit and promote at the same time. However, I will concede your point on just adding value to the community. I have been trending plenty of times in my dtube career of 42 days, for quality of content, nothing more. Ideally, yes, I would like to see large groups of people use bots a certain way, one that is profitable for all of us. There is no reason to bid $300 on a bot that MAX vote value is $200, but for some reason, people do. It is because they do not know how to bid. Hence, I made a video bringing awareness to this issue. So you guys may say that the only way to be trending is to pay for it, I disagree. That assumes those who make good content wont be trending based on the merit of their work, which they will. I appreciate you guys bringing attention to the bidbots in general, cause they are the promotion tool of STEEM, however, I disagree with your conclusions. That is what is beautiful about freedom of speech tho, isn't it?

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dreamrafa (66) · 7 years ago

LOL you used all bid bots on this?... Im surprised there wasn't more profit, at least if you have more people viewing the post i would expect more people also voting it... At the end you could say you invested those 2.5 steem in promotion and got some value out of it...
Also you are right, bid bots are profitable only when steem price is going up, i remember that from the randowhale age, i learned it was only profitable to use it when price was pumping, then for some reason the bot got to sleep every time the price was going up lol, so i got tired of any bid bot....

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Yeah, ultimately we were happy just for the exposure!

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

I think there is a way to count views of YouTube embed but just embedding the link doesn't by default count views outside of YouTube.

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Interesting, I was under the impression that embedding counted most of the views whereas just sharing the link doesn't. I definitely get a lot more views registered on youtube when I use the embed option but I'll look into it more.

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etemi (59) · 7 years ago

Using bid bots is risky but its worth it.. The whales have an opportunity to see your post. I have a question which of the bots do you prefer one to use ?

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Indeed! Still experimenting... I have not yet had a problem with any of them. But I do prefer to start with the bid bots that let you up vote the post right away... that way more of the curation rewards are sent to the author and you have a better chance of profit or at least breaking even 😎

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

That's if the whales look at trending. I'm sure they have other ways to find good content that actually makes steemit look good

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elizahfhaye (68) · 7 years ago

This is hilarious, lol

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tangerinetravels (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

New Followers: 125 (some of which were bots lol) The irony. Lol

That painting of you guys is pretty badass. What medium is that in?

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

I know lol 😎

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Oh yeah, and that's our friend @artwatch, she rocks! Hey @artwatch can you answer that medium question?

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tangerinetravels (70) · 7 years ago

Sorry, I was just wondering if it's a physical painting or done digitally?

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yeah lol, I'm not really sure... I'd like to know too!

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roxane (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

OMG !!!!! I love it (I know you know :D)

So, you lose money when using bidbot !!!!! I knew it but I wasn't 100% sure sooooo Thanks !!!!
But... Finally ... The main purpose of bots (people don't think of it) is ' to promote ' a post and then you spend some money on advertisement which is normal since ' promotion' is never free ;)

And your rep moved for 1 ! When I think that I became crazy and started to publish severals times a day on Steem to increase my rep (to cross the 70 for my first year birthday :p) and all I had to to is to pay a bot... lol

Anyway, stupid question : why don't you use Dlive / Dtube and even Dsound for your song ? :) Original song / beloved Steemian ... They may upvote you well :) Better than bots lol

dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks @roxane! Yeah, it more about the promotion than profiting. Congrats on your 70 rep, you've been putting a lot of hard work in so you deserve it 😎... unlike us bot users lol.

We've used dlive/dtube/dsound... but in general I find them too unreliable still as far as playback is concerned. We'll use them more and more as they iron out the kinks!

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roxane (71) · 6 years ago

@dan-atstarlite 😍😘

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Yep what Dan said lol. Keep up the great work!

roxane (71) · 6 years ago

@jaybird 😘

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

Haha, what a bomb!! Love it! :-)

Considering the new followers and attention you received in general one might even say that this was lucrative. Oh and also adding the crypto-babes factor... :-D

Thanks for the show birdies - enjoyed it as always!!
Loved and resteemed

dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks Marly! It was def worth it for the crypto-babes 😎

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

lol why do the SteemBirds do anything right....?

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

Haha, I'm glad to hear that :-D

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brianphobos (70) · 7 years ago

Another timeless classic by the @steembirds ! I always smile and laugh when I hear your guy's work! Full upvote! And my bot trail is hitting it too including @skunkape @hotties and @hogzilla !

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Thanks mon! Our objective is usually to make ya’ll laugh and feel good, especially when steem is low and every1 is tense!

Appreciate the support 😎

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mysearchisover (70) · 7 years ago

Epic Steemit song! lol Good job! This deserves to be #1 on Trending. :)

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks @mysearchisover 😎

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isumona (0) · 7 years ago

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loveself (58) · 7 years ago

Funny, but true. Love the song @steembirds. Thanks for making me laugh.

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Our Pleasure @loveself ;)

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tesscooks4u (61) · 7 years ago

LOL! Yea! Totally agree and great experiment. I played the bots for about 4 months. I had a spreadsheet and kept track of everything. The conclusion: It was not worth it. I was basically breaking even or loosing and to top it off...not many followers. No one cares on Steemit. No one. I am grateful I participated and made money in the Steemit community when I could. The positive: I made some friends. I am just waiting for the next platform that does not have this many problems. Enjoyed your post @jaybird and @steembirds.

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jaybird (72) · 6 years ago

Thanks for the personal account Tess!
That’s some pretty useful info u’ve probably amassed, maybe it’s post worthy (not sure if u’ve already shared it or not).

It’s definitely easy to fall into a pessimistic viewpoint about this platform. It obviously has its share of issues, and it has since day 1. It’ll never been perfect, however we are still in Beta and this is definitely the time for these types of experiments to occur. Before mass adoption. I also think that this is a phase in steeemit and won’t continue as is for too long.

Honestly i wonder if another platofrm would be better...? Personally i believe they will all have their issues if not the same issue lol.

Btw, i’ve always appreciated ur content and of course your sandwiches in particular ;)

There seems like a definate way to use bots correctly vs incorrectly.

I still have much research and experimentation to undego before i make my final decision, however the 1 major positive that seems apparent is that for the first time ever, any1 who is willing to back their content up with a few 100$ (if they really believe in it) can hit the treanding pg.

Not to mention Steem is often retroactive so.... even if u lose some money now u’ll gain way more hopefully through the promo when the currency rises etc.

Great to touch base with ya!
Jb

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tesscooks4u (61) · 6 years ago

Hey @jaybird. I do GREATLY appreciate your reply, your kind words and support. Yea, I did accumulate alot of info. I had about 15 columns of info and stats I was collecting on each post. I spent alot of time (mega time) and $$. I tried to figure out how to "play the game" and the goal was to gain a following. Well.....long story short...it didn't work.

I came to the conclusion that no one liked my shit. The final straw was when @progressivechef was so kind to feature me in his Shine Brite program. I wrote a self promotion and sent pics and he posted. I got a whopping 5 additional followers and not one had even visited, commented or upvoted one of my posts. It was heartbreaking. That is when I decided to refocus on Youtube (which I was neglecting) and just enter the competitions and an occassional post of Steemit.

In order to grow and make it on Steemit you have to attend the get togethers and be apart of a 8-10 person team/ family who will agree to upvote each others posts. OR, you need to post crypto news OR be part of a steemit delegating vote bot.

I have been on the hot page but not trending. Even being on the hot page has not helped. If I didn't self upvote I am lucky if I got .20 cents. I have thought about delegating some Steem and still may do that with my last 1000. I am not familiar with being Beta vs. not?? I just hope Steemit does get it together. I look at my Steemit wallet and it is a billboard for bots wanting my $.

Sorry for the long winded post. I am just exhausted. I am not quitting. I just need to get my Steemit mojo back and I need to spend some more time on Youtube...that is where my steady income is.

Thanks so much for listening to me. I wish you the best and you will see me popping in every now and then. Take care. Tess

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jaybird (72) · 6 years ago

For sure, I believe many ppl go through this kinda thing on steemit, sort of slipping through the cracks so to speak even though their content is actually quite good. It is a bit disheartening and i’ve felt that way at times too.

I’d be interested in seeing those stats...i mean if it’s not too much effort to put them out there. It’s probably info that we could all learn from.

There seems to be a few different ways to “play te game” as u mentioned and you made some very keen observations regarding that. It’s definitely easier when u have a small comunity of friends thst can help to support each other. And there’s a definite way to play the bot game in order to minimize losses and maximize exposure. You have to watch ththe bids on steembottracket and pick the right time to go all in.

Also to maximize exposure you’d prolly have to aim for the top treanding pg or at least top of whatever tag u think is relevent.. it’s not a profitable game lol but a promotional 1.

Anyway, it’s good that u did all this tbh and have realized that at least for now, ur focus should emphasize ur youtube channel. I also like the fact that u haven’t completely abandoned this ave & that you’ll likely revisit and reassess in the future. You’re a smart cookie ;)

Out of curiousity, have u done much with dtube ir dlive for ur vids?

As i was mentioning there r plenty of ways to play the game and leverage steemit currently. Many ppl i know have had some good success consistently uploading to those two vid platforms and getting support from those accounts which have huge delegates sp.

Before u take off from steemit be sure to drop by SSC again, we miss your creativity there 🤘

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tesscooks4u (61) · 6 years ago

I tried Dtube when it first started. I had about the same success as a post...not many views. Dtube takes 25%. I really liked steepshot but learned the hard way that they also take a good %. I will get my info together and share with you. I would not know where to begin making a post with it. I did find that using 3-4 bots on a post was better vs using all in one. Know the cutoff days for bots (3 days to 6 days). If you buy a bot or two a day for 3-4 days...the bots keep boosting your post higher in the ranking as they fall. Kind of like "booting" your post. Also it seems different bots will decrease your SBD/steem at different rates as the value of Steem decreases. Also, the bots "download" or take out of their pool at certain times which will decrease your earnings. I found posting at least 2x per day, one in the morning and one late at night around 11pm worked well...the early one was for the US time and the late one hit all the ones in other countries. Had to keep an eye on the crypto market so I could estimate when steem would increase and decrease and the Steemit platform showed a 2-3 day delay in value.. Yea, it can get complicated and drove me literally crazy. I kept reinvesting my earnings in the bots but it just seemed the bots were making more money than me and my craziness was getting worse. I did make some money but not as much as I had thought or hoped....much much lower. I hope this all makes sense. LOL! I know gringalicious has it mastered...because she goes to the meet ups, has an entire family that is involved in Steemit and knows alot of the whales. She has been a support to me and upvotes my posts. Wish you the best in trying to figure it out. I will be in communication and will be making some more sandwiches :)

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jaybird (72) · 6 years ago

Ya, all of this makes sense. It's definitely not as simple as send SBD and get votes and you'll get the results you desire lol.

Good on you for doing the experiment. I've definitely found that there is a magic number to bid and also selecting which bots to use at which times matters etc. Another issue is if you don't bid enough you'll get screwed for sure haha.

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crypticat (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

Good for you, that's definitely worth it. I can see you also heavily utilized bitbots here too. Have fun and earn Steem!

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Haha ya of course ;)

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stackin (78) · 7 years ago

To get your post to the fucking top.... Mother fuck'n top 🤣 😂 🤣 😂

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Ya mon 😎😎

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terrybrock (71) · 7 years ago

Great work, guys! Upvoted 100%. Thanx for the fun and the education.

dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks Terry! 😎

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terrybrock (71) · 6 years ago

@dan-atstarlite You betcha! Keep up the good singing you guys do. Love your work!

_{Sent with Fast-Reply}

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pattayaonline (46) · 7 years ago

I still dont like the bots. Just does not feel right. But no judgment.

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong haha. j/k

It's true, at first glance there seems to be a moral grey, however the more you investigate and research the phenomenon.. well it just gives you more perspective and information to go on.

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funbobby51 (59) · 7 years ago

It cost us 280 STEEM and the post paid out a total value of 277.5 STEEM.

before or after curation?

Seems like it was worth repeating. ;)

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

After curation. Very worth repeating until more people start using them.

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funbobby51 (59) · 7 years ago

right now steemit is sort of a ghost town in general due to low STEEM price. I myself have been conducting these experiments, they are a lot of fun.

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

After. We lost 2.5 Steem altogether.

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funbobby51 (59) · 7 years ago

which bots did you use?

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Like the top 10. U can see if u look at the votes on the post

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amnasahar (41) · 7 years ago

Bid bots are always risky

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

So you did it again? At least you are improving the average quality on trending. It's an arms race to get up there. I see one guy spending over 600 sbd on his posts. I feel no need to do it and I am not checking that page. When I do look I'm seeing less flagging than I expect. Maybe the whales are ignoring it. The vote sellers will continue to make good profits.

Do whatever you feel is right.

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revisesociology (73) · 7 years ago

Was that the guy travelling around on his dodgy mountain bike?

When I see someone earning that sort of money I just automatically think (0 credibility).

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Of course lol.

And yea maybe in time, that will be the case. A better T-PG.

Well if you take into consideration that the rewards you see on these posts are not profit but the promotional cost... unless the post is shit content, I don't see why there would be any need to flag...

larrymorrison (66) · 7 years ago

Wow guys, love the song and the experiment!
"The Trending Page Was Never Great!" LMAO
Perfect timing for this.

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Hehe, yeap.

N we'll see now if the results are repeatable.

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passion-ground (63) · 6 years ago

Dudes, I don't know what I was thinking in forgetting to ask you guys if you would be so inspired to add a track (or several) to a mega Open-Mic collab in honor of its 2-year anniversary. It's still really early on in the process. Here is the first update, which contains a link to my original post. Just let me know - and you guys are in! You can hit me up on discord whenever @passion-ground#5524
https://steemit.com/openmic/@passion-ground/the-open-mic-s-mega-collaboration-mash-up-update-1

soundlegion (72) · 7 years ago

you guys are so awesome! just commenting for the nods of awesome!!! you do your thing lads' brilliant

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Thanks B!

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mattifer (57) · 7 years ago

Ha! I love the song. I love experiments. All in all, I think what you've done here is pretty epic (and yes, I found you on the trending page.) However, it's also a little disheartening to a newbie (minnow?) like me. I don't know much of anything about reputation and gaining followers and I know even less about bots and whales and weighted votes to someday reach the trending page. From what I'm reading here, it looks like good content may never be enough. Am I reading this accurately?

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

It's a all a bit overwhelming at first, probably for anyone who doesn't know much about steemit/crypto etc. However, it doesn't take long to start figuring it all out I assure you.

There are many effective ways to navigate steemit & get your content the attention it may deserve. However, like anything that your beginning, it does take a bit of time to gain momentum unless you know ppl on the paltform already.

Using bid bots is just one way that someone with zero followers & low rep could immediately gain some...especially if the content is actually good. It all starts with good content. I know shit post get through the cracks sometimes, but it doesn't last! They eventually get downvoted!

I find the best way is to engage and interact with the specific sub-communities that revolve around the specific type of content you are creating/interested in. So for example if you do food, dive into the food tag and discord channels etc.

That's where you'll make lots of progress and have support available & meet like minded ppl etc.

Strictly speaking from my point of view. If you want to hit the main trending page at this moment in time (phase of Steemit), good content is not enough.

Like the real world, paying for promotion/advertising for content you believe in appears to be the current model. If you look at almost every other industry in the world...well that's what goes on right? On social media, it's actually the same. FB adds cost money for example.

I think a lot of ppl feel disheartened by this not realizing that it's not at all out of the ordinary and also, I'm under the impression that many of these opinions come from uniformed places. Many PPL tend to judge without looking into what's really going on and TBH, before I did my research I was one of those ppl lol.

Hope this helps !

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mattifer (57) · 7 years ago

Thanks for such a thorough response. I've heard the discord thing mentioned a couple times now. I'll have to check that out. I logged in to it once (signed on? Plugged in?) but didn't see an obvious place to dive in. I'll go back and explore more.

I'm not too concerned about hitting the trending spot, or even making any kind of money off my posts, I just want to know that they are being seen in the right places and that maybe they are bringing joy to a few folks.

Again, thanks for taking the time to educate a newbie. 😀

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metama (71) · 7 years ago

lol, yes :) You guys are crushing it.

Thanks for making an informative post that is also fun :).

#upvoted and #followed

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Thanks!

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joshvel (60) · 7 years ago

Hey @steembirds, have you tried d.tube and dlive.io? You have a beautiful Music Video that you could upload there, I believe you could gain more followers there and even get upvotes from dtube and dlive curators....they have large amount of Steem Powers.

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Ya, we know all about both. We're looking into those platforms. Thanks for the compliments ~

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ryn (58) · 7 years ago

I've always like the idea of the bots, could be quite risky as you say might get flagged and lose big-time, but it is nice to have the option.

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Exactly, and also now ppl know what’s up

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itstime (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

I for one , did not think you guys were dicks

You were however

Just Kidding..

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Heh heh, i thought it was funny 😆

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artgirlnyc (60) · 7 years ago

Oh those steem birds 😍
I’m officially a groupie ❤️

jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Excellent 😎 We love Cryto-Babes 😎

practicaleric (66) · 7 years ago

You guys are really creative, I truly love this bid bots tune- Congratulations :)

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dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks!

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dnews (68) · 7 years ago

wahahahhahahaaha!!!! STEEMBIRDS TO THE TRENDING AGAIN, BABY!

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Hopefully you can join us for the next one ;)

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rawutah (64) · 6 years ago

I....LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!! more please!!!! subbed you on YT also! re steemed! dan, your videos....on steemit in general...helped me immensely...as joined the steemit family! thank you both!!!!!!!!

jaybird (72) · 6 years ago

Hey thanks! Glad ur getting a kick outta us. And indeed Dan’s vids are always awesome 😎

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leonard4liberty (43) · 7 years ago

What matters is you recouped most of what you spent. What's important is that you didn't end up taking a huge loss.

dan-atstarlite (66) · 7 years ago

Yup it's a calculated risk!

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osmo (36) · 7 years ago

cheers to your success.

sunlit7 (59) · 7 years ago

You guys sure made that creative and lively....best critique of a technique I've seen on here so far.

rentmoney (68) · 7 years ago

Good Stuff !

Its funny because its true ....

yonilkar (64) · 7 years ago

Thanks to those bit bots I started following you and writing this coment.

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

Some of you might be interested in what @drumoperator had to say re: Bid Bots Discussion and while ur at it, check out his awesome live performance of this futuristic original track!

“A note on promotion: I'm about to blast this post into the heavens with some bots, using fiat I'd otherwise be shipping into Steemit regardless. I realize people have mixed opinions about this sort of practice, but I put the better part of four days into this video, and as somebody with two decades in the music industry, I am long since calloused to the concept of exposure = time + money. I have experimented with botting before, and have empirically come to the conclusion that it is a loss leader where we accept the reality of "trending" and exposure on Steemit, and pay ... both for access + exposure and, slightly more ideologically, to take something I've put serious sweat equity into and blast it past (some) spammy content taking up space. In an ideal world, obviously I'd love to not do this. Anybody thinking you turn a profit whatsoever on a bid bot exchange needs to give it a whirl. My last three engagements netted about a 30 percent loss on sbd invested vs. recoup in the end, even including the value of some upvotes I don't normally land. It's certainly not a profitable tactic. It is, however, a way to invest SBD I'm planning on shipping into Steem one way or another in this ridiculously buy-friendly market. I am simply choosing to take a 30 percent loss in exchange for me getting something I worked my ass off a bit more visibility and hopefully net some new followers for the kind of music content I'm trying to get out there.”

@drumoperator

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drumoperator (65) · 7 years ago

Couldn’t have said it better myself! 😉

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splendorhub (61) · 7 years ago

@steembirds Good experiment :D LOL

stokjockey (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

You changed your backdrop wall on your landing page. A splendorhub quick makeover ??

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travelideas (38) · 7 years ago

looks like if we have no money!!! No honey 🤓🤓

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Build up some steem... u don’t necessarily have to spend this much to trend at the top of a specific tag right 😎

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hiroyamagishi (68) · 7 years ago

Followed you for creating joyful song. Hope to see more of it

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rishi007 (25) · 7 years ago

your song is epic nd funny.. enjoyed ur voice(-.-).. nd wnt to go booty top<'.'>

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jiya11 (25) · 7 years ago

that's crazy !
hahaha..

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manoj999 (34) · 7 years ago

Your total overview on bot bid is good , it might look costly today but for long run it will give huge profit as I think.

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mahfuz4242 (25) · 7 years ago

I love this case study guys.

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vhhau (44) · 7 years ago

I really like the song and thanks for the information about bid bot experiment.

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drkuldipmengi (42) · 7 years ago (edited)

i have not experience yet ,but making my mind to do after studding as i heard that there is some risk

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bitcoinflood (77) · 7 years ago

Well you actually lost more then that because you only get 75% of the payout ?

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

The results were tallied with curation in mind ;)

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bitcoinflood (77) · 7 years ago

Sweet then you could say it cost you next to nothing to go trending! I mean I dont see what wrong with that lol

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Ya we lost 2.5 steem on the first 1. We’ll see how the 2nd 1 goes.. the promo factors had great results tho imo and the community discussion!

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bitcoinflood (77) · 7 years ago

Yup all for about $3 out of pocket you can't be advertising rates like that lol look forward to the next results!

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hassanabid (73) · 7 years ago

sometimes its quite great thing to achieve followers than earning a little bit money sorry for your lost of 2.5 steem but yeah we make things perfect after a big loss so i hope you would do great experiment in future so best of luck from my side and btw actually their are lots of curators who are trying to cut reward pool i dont know whether its cool or not but they are also earning good by curations .. Good to see your experiment btw .. keep up experiments and let us know 😉
one more thing this post is also in trending i think am i right ? because its hot haha

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shirleyhenderson (48) · 7 years ago

Just stopping by to say hi @steembirds plus I love birds they are my fav animals in the world.

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sujanmaharjan (36) · 7 years ago

Loves your videos!! It Awesome i enjoyed it. Thank You! Epic Song....

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haikubot (54) · 7 years ago

Loves your videos!!
It Awesome i enjoyed it.
Thank You! Epic Song....

^{- sujanmaharjan}

^{^{I'm a bot. I detect haiku.}}

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erikaflynn (61) · 7 years ago

Oh, they can pump your reputation!..
For me it was a big mystery how people who post only colorchallenges and other crap, manage to quickly achieve a high reputation with their low-grade content.
It turns out that the bid-bots cause double damage, breaking the scoring system and the reputation system simultaneously.

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Indeed. Double edged sword for sure.

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tuckerjeanneddd (36) · 7 years ago

Epic song...LOL...Love your experiment

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Thanks so much! It’s certainly been an interesting learning experience😎

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dk00789 (31) · 7 years ago

@steembirds is there a way I can learn to build bots?

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

It's possible..

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dk00789 (31) · 7 years ago

The question is how? And where?

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tntdabomb (62) · 7 years ago

I want this to be my new ringtone

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Haha, awesome 😎

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krisj (32) · 7 years ago

Haha first time I've come across your content, great stuff! Entertaining song and good info on your outcome. Will be looking back to your old content :)

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Excellent, it's working ;)

Thanks for the kind words ~

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supernova55 (64) · 7 years ago

agreed with you, I have had the same problem!

Keeping shinning great song!!!*****

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Will do thank!

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supernova55 (64) · 7 years ago

✌🤗

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injiskitchen (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

I promoted my posts and i got high reputation from 55 to 57, thanks for your valuable post and have a nice day

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gyp23 (26) · 7 years ago

You always get inspiration from people like you and you have the courage and strength to do something good, ask God

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rajmehta3007 (52) · 7 years ago

I always thought that bots where just waste of money, but it seems like you gained 125 followers, which is great...
Do you have any guide related to Bots for new comers on steem it?

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

TBH, I also discounted bots until I finally looked closer at how they were being used and who was using them. If you don't think of them as a way to potentially profit directly from buying a vote, and more of a promotional tool for content you believe in, their usefulness is amplified.

No guide yet lol.

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shaileshsteem (25) · 7 years ago

Good ... high risk high gain .. u took risk u will get profit too ... u both are looks like a rockstar

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rakib002 (18) · 7 years ago

life is a game so enjoy life with music

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josueelinfame (56) · 7 years ago

Haha I have really enjoyed this song, you are very funny. the bitbots do not give me so much confidence so I prefer to go up bit by bit :D

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maninder323 (45) · 7 years ago

nice epic song enjoying them

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Thanks! Glad to hear it!

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virginiana (44) · 7 years ago

hola los bit bots nos ayudan y dan mayor visibilidad a los pequeños pecesitos aqui en steemit pero bien es cierto que no todas son ganancias a mi me gusta utilizar @jerry banfiel es excelente y muy confiable @ boosters

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abu-bokor (40) · 7 years ago

Really very well funny music post
Thanks for the sharing post
Thank you so much My Dear steemit friend

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animecraze (47) · 7 years ago

This is something cool xD

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jpolanco (54) · 7 years ago

Good brother I am writing to invite you to follow my blog in which the word of God is promoted in English and Spanish if you know of people who may be interested in this issue extend the invitation, the idea is to reach as many people as possible .

God bless you

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zayan69 (45) · 7 years ago

Using bid bots is a risky biz
Cause your ass might get down voted
You could even lose some cash
Better make sure you’re not posting trash

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josh92 (48) · 7 years ago

Wow I also want to learn

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myindiamypride (25) · 7 years ago

Bro u newd to sing same imdian song like paheli bar mili and any othe song

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aminulbabu75 (25) · 7 years ago

i love this song brother

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takin (44) · 7 years ago

good, do you really like supporting people with your bot ,?

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coinkazan (52) · 7 years ago

Good post. Slow music )

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juliawilliams (61) · 7 years ago

Maybe it's not beneficial everytime until the price of Steem shoots upto 40 to 50% up during a week of that post where we used the bots, better thing is we get some extra attention extra followers tons of comments and so many things if we loose little bit it's worth full and if the scenario changed the prices slides steeply the bot payout will blown off and your experience will be worst😳

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jkgautam (6) · 7 years ago

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fbslo (70) · 7 years ago

Reason for my flag is disagreement on rewards.

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

What rewards lol...

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upmewhale (65) · 7 years ago

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upme (49) · 7 years ago

You got a 38.33% upvote from @upme thanks to @steembirds! Send at least 3 SBD or 3 STEEM to get upvote for next round. Delegate STEEM POWER and start earning 100% daily payouts ( no commission ).

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sayemsonai (48) · 7 years ago

I think if more people used them and drove up the bid prices... then people would only use them if they really believed their content was high quality, thus perhaps creating a better trending page, on the other hand, I guess we'll see how it all plays out!

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jaybird (72) · 7 years ago

Way to come up with ur own thoughts and bot steal them from a comment on this thread...

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unyimeetuk (63) · 7 years ago

Wow i love this

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justubong (44) · 7 years ago

Bid bud
A sure way

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itsmiraa (25) · 7 years ago

Totally love this post💙

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syedmohsin333 (35) · 7 years ago

Hey @steembirds it is a nice song, i enjoyed it. lol "this is what happened when we used bid bots".

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shahil11 (25) · 7 years ago

Really a fantastic video...loved it...

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teenovision (52) · 7 years ago

It was wonderful i will say

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gentledileep (41) · 7 years ago

nice

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nanaatakorah (25) · 7 years ago

LOL

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petertomas (43) · 7 years ago

I love your post friend I hope you have more to offer, because I always learn from your publications to continue growing on this platform ... From #venezuela I follow you and support you ... Congratulations friend @steembirds

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embroiderynews (25) · 7 years ago

Lovely song plz advice steemit past earning

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @steembirds!
Your post was mentioned in the Steemit Hit Parade in the following category:

Pending payout - Ranked 4 with $ 581,4

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raul567 (41) · 7 years ago

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raul567 (41) · 7 years ago

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sneaky-ninja (59) · 7 years ago

Sneaky Ninja Attack! You have just been defended with a 35.25% upvote!
I was summoned by @steembirds. I have done their bidding and now I will vanish...

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A portion of the proceeds from your bid was used in support of youarehope and tarc.

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