Is Bitconnect a scam?

streetstyle (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

just so you know @damarth

They have since stopped paying on referrals past the 7th level.

Bitcoin has gone from pennies to be worth nearly $6000 US Dollars, certainly a bigger jump than Bitconnect's $700K to $1.4 Billion Market cap jump.

Some don't like to hear it but Steemit itself requires a sort of pyramid in order to stay functioning. Look at yourself for example, you need followers to upvote your post, and the more followers your followers have, the more up votes they get the more their votes are worth when they up vote you. Each steemit member who wishes to make money posting must be at the top of their pyramid with followers below them.

Also I invested in Bitconnect and have since received 100% of my initial Bitcoin investment. What I put into Bitconnect in Bitcoin I have now received all of it IN BITCOIN 100%. My daily payouts from now until when this thing dies will ALL BE PROFIT. As of now, I stand at a 1% ROI and counting. Try putting that in a Bank account.

ps, there are few other inaccuracies in your article about Bitconnect. Let me know if you want to know where you are wrong, if it is you care to know or just like putting mis-information out there.

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edje (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

I would argue that many of the Cryptocoins and Tokens are a scam, since many of them have some whitepaper and story what they want to deliver as a service, but the service is not delivered. Ok, I know the different way of looking at coins and tokens, that these can have value even without any service or product, and that is in essence true. Any currency has value as long as we have trust in the currency, and in the end it is the trust that needs to be build. One can then argue that when the trust is increased, the value of the coin/token against others becomes higher, especially when the amount of the coins/tokens is limited.

For Steem, about 40.000 new Steem is added to the reward pool daily. Assuming we have to split that with 40.000 active users writing each 1 post per day (purely hypothetical), each post get an average of 1 Steem. Since we see posts in Trending channel each day with hundreds of dollars/Steem, and we see quite a few comments with 10s of dollars (Steem), it is therefore for sure that many posts will get less than the 1$. Now, if we increase the number of active users and/or the amount of posts per active users with a factor of 10, we suddenly have only 0,1 Steem available as an average for all posts. When number of active users increases, you could think the value of Steem will also increase somehow, however, that may not be the case since currency price is not at all related to the number of active users. It would be more related to the amount of Steem purchased at exchanges, the number of power downs happening and so on. So yes, your statement Steem/Steemit itself requires a pyramid is absolutely true!

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Pyramid scheme has to work in the first place to attract credulous and greedy investors.
Don't you think Madoff investors won money at the beginning to acquire more and more investors and pump the scam?

The fact you got back your initial investment doesn't imply it will be the case forever. You are only an early adopter of a scam, lucky enought to be out winning money before it disappear in ash.

If you read my post you probably have understood when adoption rate (deposit amount) will fall under the numbers of withdrawals amount required you will not see your initial investment anymore.

You try to proove me the success of Bitconnect is sustainable because Bitcoin has increased so much last 7 years. Is this argument valuable for every shitcoins in crypto space or only BCC?

I am sure you know Bitconnect and bitcoin have not lot of fundamentals in common. Do we hold Bitcoin to win 1% interest per day?

Your investment on bitconnect is only based on the belief a bot can earn 1% a day in average forever.

Proove me it exist somewhere, send me audit of trading transactions i will be glad to admit i am wrong.

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streetstyle (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

I can't provide you something I don't own or control. You ever heard of any of the Big Trading companies giving out their algo's on their trading. You know that trading bots exist right? For example Forex Trading Bots??

2ndly, AI ( another word for algo's / bots) can beat humans at Chess, can beat humans at Go, and NOW can beat humans at playing No Limit Texas Hold'em , and you still think that a human can beat a bot at trading anything??

3rdly, no where absolutely no where does Bitconnect Guarantee 1% daily return. Show me where they guarantee this and I will eat my words. They might say that is the AVERAGE but they never guarantee it. And that return is based on Bitcoin Price Volatility, where somedays there is no Daily Return or Payout due to Bitcoin Price going sideways, and somedays when price moves substantially, the daily rate can be higher.
And actually Bitcoin has had a much higher daily return rate than Bitconnect in the past year my friend.

4th point. Had I simply bought Bitconnect coins when I first started, I would currently have 4 X my money.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

1/blockchain space is often open source. You took steemit as exemple before but in contrary to Bitconnect with steemit you can verify the code distributing curration and author rewards.
https://steemdb.com/
Code is open source and you can track every actions of steemit users . Why Bitconnect don't use the best argument possible to attract adoption and proove us their bots are so profitable. Give us acces to 1 single day of trading transactions record? It doesn't disclose trading secret at all.
2/ yes i know bots can beat humans, they don't only compete against humans but also versus other very competitive bots. No bot can insure you in advance 1% gain in average forever simply because we can't preddict the amount of volatility and volume in the market required to perform.
3/ i remember dozen of days with very low volatily and liquidity everywhere on crypto market but surprisingly BCC still had 1%+ interest in such days wich is impossible. On stock market this year quantum bot won 0.7% vs 9%+ for humans traders because of a lack of volatility and volume. Well apparently it is not a problem to gain 5 000 000$ / day for bitconnect even in a case of very quiet day, even the best bots have a loosing day or weeks, Bitconnect never loose , how amazing is that?
4/ yes i remember a bunch of coins where i could won a fortune that doesn't exist anymore. Do you know Uro ? Util ? All the scams that disapeared last few years? Here a snapshot of the market in 2014 , do you recognize a lot of these coins in top 50 now?
https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20140720/

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streetstyle (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

Just because it is not open source does not make it a scam. No proof just assumption.
Bitconnect never Guarantees a return rate. I said show me where they "guarantee" a return rate and you Did Not!
I remember when you could buy a bitcoin on 1 exchange for $1000 and sell it on another for $1200 within seconds, it is called Arbitrage. So even on a low volatility day, you could still make a huge return.
This still proves nothing of Bitconnect being a scam or legit, yet it does show that it is quite possible to make great returns even when price is stagnant.
Yes coins have come and gone. Proves nothing yet again. Steemit, Bitcoin Cash or any other coin can go the way of the "Dodo Bird." Still proves nothing about what Bitconnect is or is not.

We have no idea who started Bitcoin, and yet here it is going up in price. No one officially backs Bitcoin, and yet it is worth more than 3x the price of Gold. Bitcoin is not the Bitcoin that Satoshi N. started and has even spawned branches from the original, are those scams too? Bitcoin could fail, but yet it hasn't. Should I call Bitcoin a scam too?
I say call Bitconnect a scam when it truly Scams people out of there money. If you don't understand it or don't agree with it is one thing but to spread misinformation is quite another.

Maybe Bitconnect fails and people lose their money, but Maybe it doesn't. Be smart and diligent, yes. Do your homework, yes. Invest only what you can afford to lose, yes. Low risk, low reward. High Risk, High reward.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

We can talk about it all day long but it doesn't change the fact , there is no proof of trading bot activity, it is impossible to trade without a daily or weekly loss.
No wallet adress available to track down funds, no known deal with any exchanges to trade hundred of millions $ per day. not a single proof of trading activity exist.
Bitconnect goes clearly against SEC rules , website has a true risk to be shutting down by authority.
Because I do my homeworks sir i don't believe without proof some people invented the best bot of the world, never booking a loss and printing unsustainable daily interest rate consistently whatever are the market conditions.

The best part of this discussion is the future will show us who is wrong or right between us. Let see if Bitconnect bot will print 1 billions $ next 5 years. I wish you all the luck and i hope your consciousness will not be too heavy to sleep well.

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cryptoozzie (40) · 7 years ago

I'm not saying whether its a scam one way or another because nobody knows for certain but if you had a recipe as a head chef at a killer restaurant would you disclose how you make your signature dish to all the other punters out there?

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streetstyle (72) · 7 years ago

@damarth Correct, there is No Proof of a scam. There is also no proof of a trading bot. Please note that there are days with 0 payout, indicating that no money was made from trading that day. This again proves nothing other than coincidence.
Bitconnect is now traded on 5 exchanges besides its own internal market.
Bitconnect and many other coins, probably including Bitcoin are illegal according to the SEC, FCC, IRS, USA, etc etc. I think all crpytos are in as much danger of being shut down by authority, not just bitconnect in particular.
And I thank you for the offer of luck buy I don't need it so you can keep it. I also sleep very well actually, and as for my conscience, it is also extremely well since I have done nothing wrong. I sense you imply I did.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Well then you are not a part of these scammers selling dreams and motivating new users to boost their referral earning by posting success story on internet.
You are only a bitconnect investors blindly trusting lies.
The fact Bitconnect bot never book a loosing day is a proof by itself and i am pretty sure it could be mathematically proven, probability could proove given a very short period of time (1 day) that variance induce at very high odds a loosing day should occurs at least one time over a long period of time (months) .I am not able to calculate the odds by myself, but i am sure this concept is valid, maybe some expert could step in and estimate what are such odds with 1% average daily interest of never booking a daily loosing day over 10 months. Daily winrate would have to be extremely high to never loose in such short period of time, unfortunately i don't see super high daily interest rate (>3%) or negative rate wich is totally illogical.
I repeat to you Bitcoin can't be shut down by authority, the fact that you don't know that show the level of ignorance you have regarding blockchain technology.

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hongro888 (46) · 7 years ago

Trading bots are trading bots. The algorithms are agnostic since all they do is crunch data sets, there would be absolutely no difference between the alleged Bitconnect bot and any decent quality Forex (foreign exchange) trading bot. Aside from the level of returns that strain common sense well past its breaking point, their own premise does not hold water. Over 95% of all BCC trading occurs on their own exchange where it is not audited. They are only trading one currency pair BCC/BTC. Since they are almost the sole market maker, they can run spurious trades all day just to generate faux volatility.

Finally, please don't compare BCC to Bitcoin. Bitcoin never promised returns of any type. Moreover, the complete lack of any ownership indication or even location of the organization should give anyone tossing any money cause for concern.

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dan90 (63) · 7 years ago

I think they'll keep growing for months/years unless they get caught by the FBI or someone. They can last a lot longer with crypto, have the standard income and the increase in token value, expect the owners are holding a lot of their tokens.

Steem is basically a ponzi scheme aswell though, it has no income. Even if it did display ads they wouldn't make anywhere near as much as is given out in upvotes.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

yes their is a big risk of the SEC going after Bitconnect and shuting down the website.

Difference with steemit , simple users don't take risk, only investors buying steem do, we have all the data available to take decison, and what is promised (distribution of curation and author rewards) can be verify in open source code. If steemit website is down with your keys you have still access to your funds.

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streetstyle (72) · 7 years ago

SEC is just as likely to shut down Bitcoin as it is Bitconnect.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago

No sir Bitcoin can't be shut down, this is the principle of dencentralization but i agree Bitconnect can be.

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tonnypedersen (36) · 7 years ago

the thing i am concerned with is all the personal data they collect from there users

just look at this
https://bitconnect.co/privacy-policy

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matthewdavid (54) · 7 years ago

I'm not signing up for that!

Thanks for pointing it out.

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costanza (69) · 7 years ago

It really blows my mind how this can be a top 10 coin with 1.4 billion market cap.

In a sense all cryptocurrency can be seen as baked air, but bitconnect takes this concept to the next level. A Trading bot with no proof of actually existing that never loses, makers are anonymous, not listed on the big exchanges and textbook pyramid scheme structure.

Looking at all the facts this very likely to be a scam.

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shaw1 (47) · 7 years ago

Concisely put!

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

Dont you think that many of the cryptocoins and tokens are a scam in one way or the other? In the end most of the coins are floated to the market with some pre-mining, an ICO, and then brought to exchanges. In this process, those who pre-mined, and/or sold the coins in ICO collect money they can cash out, and I'm pretty sure many of them cashed out in one or the other way after which they don't care to much anymore what happens with the coin/token value. Some may use the money collected to actually launch some kind of service, but I don't think many of the coin/token launchers actually do that.

I've written another comment to this post in which I affirm an statement Steem/Steemit requires a pyramid. This statement is 100% true.; see comment here.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago

I totally agree with you, crypto market is not regulated and from what i witness for years i think it is highly manipulated by several entities.
There is a lot of scam in one way or aother, market manipulation, biased ecosystem, false informations, insider trading...
It is very difficult to proove these occult activity because in unregulated market data are not accessible and verified by anyone.
This is exactly why i don't trust bitconnect and i strongly think it is a scam, no accessible data and a probable biased ecosytem because of the daily average high interest.

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

I don't know Bitconnect to be honest and when indeed the daily interest is set high, one shall be careful, since in the end anything with high revenues, have also the risks attached it'll never happen. That said, the service that we are using to make this conversation happen may also be a scam, a well disguised scam, but the enormous amount of Steem in the hands of the founders and the enormous amount of SP in the hands of a few, is something to be very careful about. BUT, that said, as long as we can profit from these services and coins in one way or the other, we can own the coins and tokens and use the services :) I suspects many many many more scams coming to life next years. The upcoming BTC fork's are scams as well, copy/paste an entire blockchain without creating a genesis block themself; Stealing value from BTC! But for those who own BTC, they will have the opportunity to use the scam, and profit from it. My advise: Sell the clones ASAP before these values will go south.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago

I think without a truly decentralized governance system we will be not be safe against powerful entity able to manipulate coins.
BTC fork and Hard Fork are clearly the consequence of the human factor and lack of decentralized governance coded into BTC.
This could destroy Bitcoin as we know it and be replaced by another coin with a more decentralized ecosystem simply because conflict are "coded" in human nature and BTC code will evolve slower than other coins, too big to fall so less risk taken and too many people to convince each tim we want to integrate a changement.
Dash for example has a decentralized voting system by masternode, it is not perfect because of Dash initial coin distribution and the fact that whales own the most of voting power, but it is better than nothing.
I know Decred (DCR) is working on DX governance aswell.
I think it will become a hot subject soon, these coins might outperform the other in such context.

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

Decentralised can only work when power is distributed more or less even over many many individuals, that I realise. What I also realise that likely no coin has this, since it are humans who launch the coins and most of the people who do that, want something more for themselves then others. DCR, I own a little bit of for trading, but it is something I like to look further into for investment.

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lordneroo (72) · 7 years ago

This post might be old but I have to express my respect to you, sir, after reading this and noticing you actually posted this 4 months ago. Total respect!

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g-dubs (71) · 7 years ago

can't stand those bitconnect banners on coinmarketcap!

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stackin (78) · 7 years ago

Regardless... at the end of the day 90% will get destroyed and lost their intial investment. When will happen, who knows, a year from now or 10, only time will tell 😳

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regularguy (41) · 7 years ago

It is what it is... It'll keep working till it doesn't..... Who's the lucky Irishman that will be burned 1 day before there principle is scheduled to free up? Not me... It pays out and does well for now.... But the music will stop and they'll be no more chairs.

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souravbiswas (41) · 7 years ago

Hi i am new user...... Today is my first day in Steemit.... Please support me.

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mansch (37) · 7 years ago

1% per day it is in itself rings the bells of the brains. It is nearly impossible to get such payments per day. Bitconnect does not allow us to withdraw our initial investment. And this is the reason why it has so much value now.
And it also allows to reinvest. This makes people to reinvest and almost no one sells Bitconnect. This is increasing the value of the coin everyday.
It will pay till it pays. And someday it will stop paying directly. Good luck to the investors

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cryptoozzie (40) · 7 years ago

they never promise 1% a day anywhere on their site.

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ravikumar11000 (39) · 7 years ago

Good Definition Of Scam...

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mdsujon335 (48) · 7 years ago

Bitcoin can change our life. So i love bitcoin ... @damarth

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shaw1 (47) · 7 years ago

Definitely worth a follow!

Thank you so much. So many idiots out there are pushing and pushing for bitconnect, and arguing that because it worked for them once, it's the wave of the future!

All Ponzi schemes work until they don't. And idiots will always pump money into them...

People like you help me keep a bit of faith in humanity.

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ian4221 (36) · 7 years ago

I've seen articles like these before...You sound like a broken record...I have been invested in the platform for a few months now, I mine BCC and stake it as well, some of it I sell on Nova exchange, and some I invest. I agree that people should do their own research, and decide for themselves. I did my own research, and came to my own conclusions. I do not believe it is a scam, and I believe that time will be the best proof that it is not a scam. You are entitled to your opinions. The best of luck to you, and have a great day..

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago

Thank you Ian4221 , i hope you will be fine at the end, remember nothing is won until you withdraw it.

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jlcrypto (57) · 7 years ago

Big thumbs up for this post mate ! I stayed away from BCC for a while now and I'm sure it is the good choice. My instinct is telling me that this "thing" will crash sooner or later. I hate pyramid scheme and here we are and so many people are closing their eyes in front of it. Shame. But good for us =)

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prakashghai (63) · 7 years ago

Bitconnect Scam is just so obvious !

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anforo (56) · 7 years ago

I've been seeing a lot about this so far and think that it can be a pyramid. It can't be that so many people talk about it as a scam.

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kidcrypto13 (25) · 7 years ago

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shaikatkm (54) · 7 years ago

please bro one upvote me please @damarth

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tanvirsadatripon (51) · 7 years ago

thanks for the information

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katteasis (63) · 7 years ago

Nice thought you shared here.
There's lot of acam activities in crypto market these days.

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american-pie (53) · 7 years ago

Thanks for share ..... You think like a boss

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davidad (75) · 7 years ago

Thank for share...but there lot confused about this so crypto . Which can u suggest person should buy am confused..

Follow U.. will appreciate you follow back..

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jiahn (63) · 7 years ago

Hello @damarth thank u for sharing :)

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novaptconline (44) · 7 years ago

Hi, Thank you very much for sharing, really thank you very much. I follow you! @damarth

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aburmeseabroad (61) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the in depth explanation, I did saw some of the post about bitconnect here on steemit too.

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fingalenz (51) · 7 years ago

Thank you for posting it earlier and thank God I received the message.

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bachtiar0210 (57) · 7 years ago

Can I get your support friends @damart

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isteemithard (60) · 7 years ago

Bitcoin is not a scam but Bitconnect is a ponzi scam in my opinion

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cryptopie (81) · 7 years ago

Does it matter much if it is a scam. Just get in fast get out fast maybe.
Or just don't put anything you can't afford to lose.

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jaynie (75) · 7 years ago

@damarth Very interesting. I have never even heard of it myself, but appreciate the heads up nonetheless. At least you have opened eyes for many others that have possibly been caught.

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago

Yes i see too much hype on youtube and steemit, i tought it would be fair to equilibrate the situation and remind people there is no free money without counterparty (risk).

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jaynie (75) · 7 years ago

Good call :)

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jaynie (75) · 7 years ago

ps. @damarth I recently launched a discord server for Steemit bloggers (of quality) and as you are what I would consider an epic writer, I thought I would share an invite with you. No obligation... but would be awesome to have you join us :) Here is the invite link - use it, don't use it ;) https://discordapp.com/invite/gRypnga

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the invitation.

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hassanbenali (2) · 7 years ago

good informations @damarth
Where did my friend disappear? We no longer see your publications in Steam
What does the scouter say about #Bitcoin Price Level? :')

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khaiyoui (83) · 7 years ago

Even i dont know about the coins but i also have to understand this. There r many things to know...difficult..:(

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sebcam (66) · 7 years ago

Cool , thanks for the heads up! It must be hard for the scammers to scam these days, with so much transparency and sharing info, the bad guys are rooted out pretty quickkkk!! Thanks @damarth!

PEACE
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nirob (58) · 7 years ago

Thanks sir to written the great article about crypto @damarth

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long888 (65) · 7 years ago

Thank you for these reminders it really helps especially for us who are still new here on Steemit and who have limited knowledge about cryptocurrencies and bitcoins, etc.

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doelist (51) · 7 years ago

Classic scheme - use new technology to make Pyramids - first who did this was ancient Egyptians.

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morad1 (51) · 7 years ago

Very very beautiful my friend

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vrushali15 (39) · 7 years ago

good

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bolivarense (53) · 7 years ago

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blinks (58) · 7 years ago

I'm not into cryptocurrency but my wife does, steemit is the only decentralized platform I know and wish to know more about bitconnet and the others. Just came here to say thank you for the welcome upvote, I am grateful...

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samiurrehman10 (51) · 7 years ago

ThNks for sharing it @damarth

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nazarwills (55) · 7 years ago

👍👍👍

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beautypics (61) · 7 years ago

thanks for sharing

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arorapuneet (63) · 7 years ago

thank you sir u r eye opener i nvest 1000usd now i m takimg it out

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vangie (55) · 7 years ago

Thank you for sharing.

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thatswhatsup (33) · 7 years ago

That's what's up.

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devrajlove (8) · 7 years ago

I don't think so .....

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nikonmarshall (54) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the heads up @damarth

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nikonmarshall (54) · 7 years ago

Do you still believe this is the case?

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damarth (64) · 7 years ago

Yes i still believe it is the case but Bitcoin rise so much that Bitconnect can easily pay the rewards. We will really discover the truth when Bitcoin will be flat or in downtrend for weeks.

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safrijals (64) · 7 years ago

What is that Is Bitconnect a scam?

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bukharisulaiman (56) · 7 years ago

@damarth, very useful information, thanks for providing important information. I am from Indonesia.

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awesomenyl (69) · 7 years ago

I haven't tried using bitconnect but there are Lots of sites now that we think legit but it's a trap, ive heard that bitconnect stop paying referrals already. That's sad!

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mydivathings (66) · 7 years ago

Well, now I know I never should. thank you for letting us know.

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splendorhub (61) · 7 years ago

@damarth ..time always prove the true colors :) Best wishes to you ..Steem on :)

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blazing (70) · 7 years ago

people have their tones and tones of money in it !!

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splendorhub (61) · 7 years ago

@damath :) Thank yo for the appreciation. Happy Holidays. - @splendorhub

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