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There are probably hundreds of posts around trying to answer this 1 real Bitcoin value question.

I will not go into a technical debate. We all know that Bitcoin has severe issues with processing transactions, and that Bitcoin Cash is much faster and cheaper.

But so is Litecoin, Monero, Dash…Just about any cryptocurrency is faster and cheaper than Bitcoin.

Truth be told, I have almost the same amound of BTC and BCC: Just to minimise risk.

As we know, some big players are obviously trying to move most of the value from Bitcoin into Bitcoin Cash. By facilitating this transfer of wealth, they also try a little mind trick with creating doubt whether Bitcoin is the real Bitcoin or not. Bitcoin Cash is the next evolution of Bitcoin etc.

I agree that was is the perceived real Bitcoin to a certain degree can be a consensus thing, but if so the market will decide that perfectly fine over some time, and not with some abrupt rebranding attempt and pumps from a few big players with selfish motives.

So, this move with Bitcoin Cash is probably mostly driven by an attempt to create confusion and hopefully capitalise on it as well.

As you can see Bitcoin Cash has been hovering around $300, and only pumped up transiently by whales:

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The name Bitcoin Cash is not very good either. It is tedious to pronounce and also a pleonasm. Dollar Cash, anyone? Thus, I really see their need to try to rebrand Bitcoin Cash into Bitcoin.

However, logically the original Bitcoin will for me always be Bitcoin, thus I would use the name BCash from now on to not create any more confusion.

Thus, this stunt with BCash is in my opinion a very speculative move and also bad persuasion at its worst, which actually can end up destroying both Bitcoin and BCash.
In my opinion, this move with BCash is from a position of weakness.

Do they really think professional investors (Wall Street style) are going to have confidence investing in cryptocurrencies when they witness something like this?

The biggest player is Roger Ver, which I have never met in real life, and is perhaps a cool guy, but at least from the way he chooses to represent himself, he does not look like a very wise person, at least not persuasion-wise.

Tweets like this for example, reveals a severe lack of maturity, as it is just some kind of ego-thing for him:

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Roger Ver is according to my understanding one of the richest in the cryptocurrency space.
If you compare him to similarly rich people in traditional finance, like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, you can really see the huge contrast in talents and wisdom.

Thus, I would also be very reluctant to invest (long term) in something where Roger Ver has an agenda.

Also, is Roger Ver’s actions so much better than the corrupt bankers we like to ridicule?

Even though I have invested in +20 digital assets, I try remain as sceptical as possible.
To be sceptical is always an asset, truth will always prevail.

If you are going to create a new monetary system based on sound capitalism, the worst thing you can possible do is to create a system where the initial value is ridiculously low and distributed on just a few (lucky?) players.
It is probably an almost unsolvable problem now that because of huge information bias in the start of Bitcoin’s life cycle, some people got ridiculously rich, even perhaps on the wrong premises. You just needed one strategy: Buy bitcoin and HODLHodlhodl…

Most monetary systems have been constructed based on consensus. The euro for example was created. It was not like some people were able to scoop up loads of euro for almost free.

One argument against the current fiat system, is that printing money is cheap and thus the money has no intrinsic value. However, money does not need more than zero intrinsic value. Money is just a medium of exchanging values, a system for bookkeeping of the value created, and a tool to create real value. Money is not supposed to be held. It is supposed to be spent.

A monetary system where money become a speculation object in itself, is not a good monetary system, and will divert resources away from creating true value into pure speculation. Thus, it is not sustainable.

My own personal stance is philosophical: I just want the best monetary system there is, and I do not care 1 satoshi if it is Bitcoin, BCash or any other cryptocurrencies. If none of them make it, then I guess the fiat system is not that bad after all. I would still be able to buy silver coins, consumer credit banks with ROE>30% and all the rest out there that fiat can buy. Not that bad if you think about it.

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finally, "Thus, this stunt with BCash is in my opinion a very speculative move and also bad persuasion at its worst, which actually can end up destroying both Bitcoin and BCash.
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some fucking common sense.

bitcoin will always be the king !!!

Let's hope so:)

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Roger ver making new tweet : The goal is not that everyone can afford to run a node.
The goal is that everyone can afford to use Bitcoin.

Many Website Work Using BTC
Bitcoin is the future :)

Thank you for sharing following you :)

Yes, I think many people misinterpreted my post as if I have something against BCash. I do not. I just disliked the move from RVer & Co, which I guess confuses lots of people (including myself frankly). If BCash is so great, the market will decide over time. In his tweet he does not compared BCash to LTC or any other crypto, except BTC. Pretty bad persuasion imho:).

Yeah Right Me to confuses me at first ^^ , also I see that charlie lee " LTC " play smart He is often the beneficiary :)

Bitcoin:

2000 transactions per block (10 min)... that is 3.33 tx/s

Bitcoin cash:

37000 transactions per block (10 min)... that is 61.67 tx/s

Dash:

according to @dashpay, they have 48 tx/s (source)

But what happens with STEEM, or BITSHARES?

They have Thousands of transactions per second (thanks DPOS and 3sec block).

In conclusion. Bitcoin is good and it is the father, but eventually, all this power will go to other cryptos that are more optimal...

meanwhile leave the matrix. Tell to your family to your friend, to your neighbors, about the benefits of crypto, leave the system, leave the matrix of traditional fiat.

All that has happened and is still happening on stock exchanges, this is the classic pamp of bulls. You are right, there are large forces that are trying to promote BCash as a super bitcoin and these forces do not care what will happen to the smaller participants of the market, this is their goal, to earn it all! I believe that Bitcoin will withstand another attack, and BCash will remain a fork! Thank you @janusface

There is only one Bitcoin. Some "people" are still trying to divide and conquer.

@janusface,
"The name Bitcoin Cash is not very good either. It is tedious to pronounce and also a pleonasm. Dollar Cash, anyone?"
Yeah it's weird for me either! Anyway as you said crypto is not the only space that we can trade and invest! As you said fiat currencies are good too! And we have precious metals like Silver and Gold!
Great article friend! Some of points actually I heard today! But after all this is a great guidance for most of us! Whatever happen we should not be panic! Top investors scam us by showing big pictures! We should understand that!

Cheers~

Hey what do I believe no one is Less all of them have potential and I really do believe if we see it for a long time always perform better not only that we actually not focus the other and coins which would also be going to perform better in future.

@janusface - Sir when BTC rise from $5000 to $7500 I didn't trust that trend.... It was looked like a rocket launch.... Then suddenly things changed & BCH too the place & I didn't trust it too Sir.... It went to $1750 & dropped back to $1250... Sir those trends looks like a drama to me.... Better we buy gold, silver, platinum.... Those are real & those are rare like BTC too Sir....
You discuss about a valuable topic Sir.... This is a very useful post for us Sir....
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I think as you the same @janusface. Bitcoin Cash also like as BTC. Bicoin cash very cheaper and price growth up currently, bitcoin bleeding these days. In this fact lot of investors leave from BTC and move funds to Bitcoin cash. Lot of peoples thinking BTC and BCC same currency module. BCC is the next evolution of BTC. Thats Psychological thinking. Bitcoin cash hovering around more than BTC, but priority will receive Bitcoin. In fact what`s cryptocurrency its bitcoin any peoples said...So investors keep step backward for their funds long term. As my mind, Bitcoin need to crypto market if not will be destroy, Crypto market going worst way and drop down deeply.
Resteemed your post.

As you said I have no idea how BCH change from BTC. For me both are on same Algorithm & PoW. Source code can have little differences. So, BCH can be seen at the BTC price level. Good if you can understand how top investors think about this. If then we can make a decent profit. Otherwise we will loss our funds. Nice topic, nice discussion. A useful content you decided to talk~

Bitcoin is the king. Whales manipulate bitcoin cash price. They want to dump bitcoin price for a while. Then bitcoin will go to the moon again.

I think no one really knows my friend, and we are all curious how it will evolve :)

Hello @janusface,

Extraordinary good article discuss about current BTC issue & as you said no matter what happens in crypto world if we could keep Silver coins. Nice tips.

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Nice post, well right now the market is very unpredictable and we can't say which is the perfect, i agree with you points that Bcash trx are much faster than Bitcoin but one common thing which come in to mind is that trust, peoples have trust on bitcoin and bcash is lacking that trust, that trust factor surely gives bitcoin a nice edge over Bcash. thanks for sharing your nice thoughts with us, Stay blessed.

Thank you for updating BTC dump and BCH pump @janusface.
Bitcoin is not a currency but a financial instrument for the very rich. Was that what Satoshi wanted? For real? This is pure market manipulation. I’m not saying that one coin is better than the other, but this is very unhealthy for the crypto world in general.
I know BTC is the main of all coins. there's no way bcash will flip the real bitcoin

Not really because it is still technically behind the original chain there is no segwit so not yet maybe it'll get big won't ever take over bitcoin original chain.

Crypto has high fluctuation market, but fiat has low fluctuation comparing to crypto. But fiats are secure, tangible & etc. So, no matter what will happen in crypto space, if we have a good amount of fiats like Silver (coins you brought few days back) you can earn a good enough money without a risk.

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Probably I think they will not get try to re brand Bitcoin Cash into Bitcoin. Remember named Bitcoin any of cryptocurrency traders. BTC will be more profitable to mine again, currently drop down. Bitcoin cash can cause so much damage to BTC because a few rich pumping and hyping. Bitcoin deeply bleed bcoz I guess Segwit2x got canceled. However dont be any doubt We`ll be waiting waht next step?

This is very valuable info and great blog.
Thanks @janusface
Have a great Day


for me bch is the best. impressive article ;) @janusface

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Great informative article @Janusface! I agree 100% with your conclusion.

"My own personal stance is philosophical: I just want the best monetary system there is, and I do not care 1 satoshi if it is Bitcoin, BCash or any other cryptocurrencies. If none of them make it, then I guess the fiat system is not that bad after all. I would still be able to buy silver coins, consumer credit banks with ROE>30% and all the rest out there that fiat can buy. Not that bad if you think about it."

But honestly most of your article was over my head. Dash and lite coin and this coin and that coin. I think the reason bitcoin is so valued is cause people like me can only name that one coin (besides Steem) obviously. For newbie crypto investors like myself looking to diversify into crypto, often means bitcoin or nothing soley due to name recognition.

But you really know your stuff. You know these crypto markets like I know travel. I spent a lot of time writing out some serious travel article tips talking about different countries, get more play less countries get less pay more countries, and all sorts of stuff. Kind of reminds me of when you approached me about relocating to south America. Have you made any decision on that yet? Hope you are well. -Dan

Bitcoin will always prove its dominance over the forked coins.

Thanks for the update& good news. thanks for sharing.
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