"We decided to move on to superior technology"

in bitcoin •  7 years ago 

That was a quote from the SatoshiPay CEO when he announced today that they would no longer be using the Bitcoin blockchain for Micropayments.

Specifically, the quote from CEO Meinhard Benn reads as follows:

"We love Bitcoin for its pioneering role in the creation of our industry, but some blockchain networks it inspired have evolved faster than bitcoin itself, so we decided to move on to superior technology."

Undoubtedly, not something the Bitcoin maximalists wanted to hear...

What is this superior technology you might ask?

Well, SatoshiPay announced today that they have partnered with the IOTA Foundation. 

The IOTA Foundation is a not for profit that oversees network development. It will help explore replacing Bitcoin with the IOTA chain as it's primary settlement network. 

The IOTA website can be seen here:

https://iota.org/

In the past, SatoshiPay had been relying on the Bitcoin network to settle payments since SatoshiPay's inception in 2015. 

At that time the average transaction fee was around $.02. Now, the average transaction fee on Bitcoin is around $2.41. 

Why IOTA?

To piggy back off of what was just mentioned above, it's transaction fees. 

IOTA has zero fee transactions and has no limit on the number of transactions per second of its processing. 

Fee free and the unlimited number of transactions make it an ideal fit for any company, especially SatoshiPay. 

Not surprisingly, this is not the only startup to leave Bitcoin for another blockchain in the recent past...

"Yours" announced back in May that they would be switching to Litecoin from bitcoin also stating similar reasoning.

What this all means?

The clock is ticking for Bitcoin.

All of this further underscores why August 1st is such a huge deal for Bitcoin. If Bitcoin continues on as is, many blockchains will replace it. 

It was the first but the technology is dated compared to what is out there currently, therefore Bitcoin must either adapt or be left behind.

Get out the popcorn, August 1st is rapidly approaching...

Stay informed my friends!

Sources:

http://www.coindesk.com/satoshipay-stop-using-bitcoin-blockchain-micropayments/

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http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/02/12/long-will-bitcoin-really-last/

https://satoshipay.io/press

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Think it's a bit early to be calling the end for bitcoin. These other blockchains promise great things but none of their networks have been put under the level of stress bitcoin has. Ethereum claimed it could handle it but when the ICO's came heavy, it's network had issues.

So true. At this point the only thing truly threatening to the technological foundation of Bitcoin is quantum computing, and that MAY be years away. Ask most vets what they'd feel most comfortable holding onto over the next few years, and most will say Bitcoin is their #1 choice.

Quantum computing threatens ALL cryptos. Plus, if it becomes a threat then we can hard-fork to quantum signatures, problem solved.

yes because running computers at -273C, that cost millions of dollars is a threat.. I dont even think they will honestly be able to harness qubiut tech..

QKD blockchains will be quantum resistant, so we'll be alright for a while I reckon :-)

Cg

The network may be strong, but a big problem with BTC is transfer times. There can never be another Bitcoin, the same way that there can never be another printing press, Wright Flyer.

Interesting point. I'm a novice at digital currencies, but if this is the dawn of a new era, it only makes sense that the first interation will fall to much more developed systems. Just like the Wright Brothers plane turning into a Boeing 747 in a matter of decades

Bingo

Good to know there are still some sane people on Steemit.

@rawpride however don't you think the higher transaction fees and slow processing speed is a problem for bitcoin? If they don't improve on this, networks like IOTA will definitely give tough competition to BTC.

people have to remmeber, a good stable crypto has supply and demand.. half the people just hodl there currency hoping to get rich,, you can acctually use bit coin the buy things.. and deep web is a great eg..

Too many of these coins could dilute them all, would prefer there were just a few on the market, but more are on the way.

Yep I agree.... I am not sure what needs to happen to really clean the space out, but something needs to happen.

The free market will have to work itself out I guess.

bingo. This is a great laissez faire experiment. Lets let it do it's thing.

When an IPO happens, people already know the company. When a new ICO happes, people just invest because of the hype in the crypto technology. Maybe when the hype is gone, and crypto related companies are judged harsher, maybe then we will see a cleaner market of coins.

I said this years ago. If they ALL have value, then NONE OF THEM HAVE VALUE.

For sure.

Some coins with real value will survive and many will fade away in the future....

Yes, most have to fade away or there can be no real value.

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Seem to me as long as people believe in bitcoin, it will hold value.
And as far as I've understood only Litecoin has similiar features as far as bitcoin in that it's decentralized and cannot be centralized.
Unless as I've said all along, someone comes up with a coin actually backed up by something, aren't we all still talking about money made out of this air?
I keep saying cryto can make you a rich person but I still also say, silver and gold are the real money.
I believe it's best to Have a some of all Three.

The end is near!

As i am browsing for some pic's for a story I am working on. I enter the search "political riots" It is at this point that i start to stair at the screen. the images on the screen scared the shit out of me. I realized that there is something really wrong with this world. I tried to calculate the amount of money that is spent on military around the world. I did not get to the result. However I did think if the UN nations are spending on avg 2% of there GDP on military. that it sure is more money than what is needed to feed the world and more. Now to get to money the political people create unrest. violence, confusion ext. Then they create a common enemy. Then you have all the fuel to sell arms to the rebellion. when the rebellion gets to strong the local army need better arms and the sale is made. Then after the country is completely fucked they come back to buy the assets at rock bottom price. They convince countries to donate to some relieve fund and they start to rebuild the place. Now remember this is more than likely your tax money being spent. If this was done for natural disasters I am sure you will be fine with the idea. However please do the google search "political riots".
That all said. The political players in all major crypto's are surely hustling for position. A time for perfect alignment.
People are concerned about bitcoin future. From a political point of view. The world is starting to realize that the old government systems do not work. Blockchain has big impact on the minds of forward thinking communities. We know we can now have a trusted none corruptible truth. This can be used for any type class industry. The fact that blockchain tech is growing at the pace it has in the past year. All this point to the need for the crypto community to protect bitcoin. The truth is we do not need bitcoin to be a micro payment system with super fast confirmation. All we need is for bitcoin to maintain.
Bitcoin is more than a decentralized crypto currency. It is a movement. It is the way of the future. People in the world are waking up at an alarming rate. The red pill is being swallowed. Governments cannot be trusted. Blockchain can be trusted.
Bitcoin is the crypto that need to survive for the complete crypto industry to succeed.
Bitcoin need to develop a political image. Bitcoin need to be seen as the mother-ship of crypto's. There will be constant buy in to the bitcoin market by bigger players. Many millionaires around the world will buy bitcoin. This will send the value of bitcoin up consistently for the next few years. From a supply and demand view there is just not that many bitcoin to come. Then there are the other markets that will fuel the value. It is just not thinkable that the bitcoin industry will harm bitcoin. Bitcoin is the dollar of the crypto-world.

Bitcoin right now!!!!

Woohoo! I just bought some IOTA at $0.17!

How can bitcoin ever evolve enough to deal with Zero fees and infinite transactions per second. It seems it is evolving into a digital version of gold where there will be few transactions. A trusted hedge but not one that is very useful for paying for groceries. Bitcoin remains the exit and entry point between the alt world and fiat currencies. Perhaps that is needed, but even that is frustrating when the market moves as much as it does at the moment. It is frustratingly slow.

Andreas Antonopolus has stated in his presentations about Bitcoin, that it was in fact looking to establish itself as a global reserve currency. That seems to have happened already on some level, at least in the world of cryptocurrency. As you have pointed out, if you are looking to buy altcoins, you must first purchase Bitcoin to trade for them.

I believe that buying groceries, cups of coffee etc. will be the function of altcoins. It won't happen overnight, but the altcoin community that works to demystify cryptos and to simplify their use for the larger population will be the coin(s) that will be adopted for everyday trade.

Really, you are just going to spew out things like zero fees and infinite transactions with a straight face? You are acting like there aren't consequences and trade-offs to having those things. I haven't yet researched IOTA, but I know intuitively that there is ALWAYS a trade-off.

I haven't seen a full comparison of all the coins, but I haven't heard of any altcoin advertising slower or more expensive than Bitcoin. Whether its IOTA or one of the other better known alts you don't have to look too hard to find cheaper and faster. Bitcoin like the apple iPhone was revolutionary but competitors gained ground and when they are better/faster/cheaper then market leadership changes at least for the transaction space. Bitcoin has far more trust than anything else and perhaps that is enough to hang onto the reserve title. As you say there are always trade offs. Bitcoin is trusted because of its established architecture and the use of resource intensive mining but that comes at a cost that can be optimized but not removed. Tinkering with the code to make incremental improvements may undermine the one true advantage Bitcoin has ie trust but is unlikely to beat the rising competitors on speed or cost. I like and own precious metals. Gold and silver coins are more practical than bars but I still dont use them for buying stuff.

Great points.

"It is frustratingly slow." The market or transactions?

Sorry transactions. For instance Steem is very attractive right now, but to buy it using Fiat currency you still have to go through someone like Coinbase and Bitcoin. That can take days and opportunities are missed. Hence frustration. Keeping $ on the exchanges may be the answer for now but we are generally coached not to leave much sitting on the exchanges.

Make sure you are getting coached from people who understand your goals and objectives. General coaching is generally useless. Except for the totally mundane - drink more water - it is healthy and you probably are not drinking enough

Alright Dave I will bite and follow you to see who your coaches are and what they have to say. The reason that I am here in the first place is because of Palm Beach Research Group.

I have a feeling Bitcoin may simply become the store of value coin. So many other coins outperform Bitcoin in many ways, but Bitcoin still has the strongest long term holders of any coin which brings the strongest price support.

Looking forward to seeing what happens after August 1st, God willing.

I tend to agree with you as regards to bitcoin becoming a store of value mostly because of its use as a means of exchange between different currencies. The tech and ideological foundations of it will be emulated and adapted in almost any industry you can think of without requiring any kind of token or currency behind it.

You worded it perfectly "...a means of exchange between different currencies"

Considering the impact of the internet on world finance, why wouldn't bitcoin (the internets money) become a premier store of value? As long as it remains reliable, it will continue to grow.

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  ·  7 years ago (edited)

When you say reliable are you referring to the tech behind it (the blockchain) and a somewhat general consensus on the way to go from here or the fact it will have only a predefined limit of supply? So far its reliability is based on the tech and the support of the mostly tech savvy community who see its potential implications and disruptive capabilities. Do you think its price volatility is what is stopping it going more mainstream as well as the currently limited real world uses as far as using it for everyday purchases when things such as tap-and-go are already well established ?

I meant reliable in the fact that it has been up and running uniterupted 24/7 for over 8 years.

Mainstream adoption will take time. The price volatility works both for and against it. I think we will see more and more "real" use cases (there are enough already, trading it alone is a use case) in the near future.

This was surely coming. It happens in every industry. The pioneers are never the later giants. The ones that grab ideas from the pioneers and make them better are the ones that become giants. Examples of this are Google and Airbnb. I just hope Bitcoin acts fast, they are still in time.

Yep, or Myspace to Facebook...

Great example.

Luckily there are new bitcoin pioneers everyday. Being open source allows it to adapt, but that can also create negative issues. However I don't think bitcoin will ever go the way of myspace. It will remain a premier cryptocurrency for quite some time in my opinion.

I also think that iota can be the future for crypto but in the moment i think iota is over hyped so i think i will wait a few mounth before i invest into iota.

Thank you for sharing this post.

Cheers bluchr.

Its certainly interesting times. I think bitcoin will evolve and still has first mover advantage. Sure, other apps can utilise blockchain or can use other networks in the background but at present to buy any crypto, you have to go through bitcoin (almost) and if you ask anyone outside of the crypto world, they will have only heard of bitcoin (and perhaps ethereum). I think bitcoin will evolve quickly enough but as you said, if not........

I agree with you. They have the chance of evolving, and I think they will take it.

IOTA is untested and IMO unnecessary. The DAG structure has inherent problems.

Satoshi pay is just looking into using this for micropayments but really the future is in other technologies that are 'on chain'.

Just have a look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1354220.1200

Ehh LN is cool but it does not solve all problems. Also it is inherently centralizing.

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@kyle.anderson/fork-christ-s-sake-bitcoin-is-going-to-fork-is-segwit-bitcoin-whose-side-should-i-be-on

agreed. but it has can excel in some specific use cases like micro-transactions, but nothing is without a cost (centralizing).
about IOTA (i'm not very familiar with that one yet but it seems quite promising), what are the problems you are referring to?

Haven't seen any compelling game theory of their Tangle. Can't do smart contracts - by design. Also DAG structures are vulnerable to "becoming spread too thin".

Interesting experiment. Really shouldn't be given more status than just that.

yoooo

Free market at work. Blockchain would never have worked under a patent, and under some mega corporation. Decentralize everything!

Bitcoin is becoming a relic! Is bitcoin becoming the equivalent crypto-currency of GOLD. Gold has been called a barbarous relic and just a piece of rock held because of tradition. Gold is is considered a store of value, is bitcoin also? Purchase bitcoin now whilst it is cheap because this relic may just be gold.

August 1st is right around the corner if bitcoin is dropping and causing other coins to drop, I wonder what will happen Aug. 2nd- Perhaps nothing- no fork all hype! But then again what do I know! What would happen if the blockchain split?
Great post and thanks for always keeping the community informed. ;0)

Nice lots of info keep it up

Evolution must occur if bitcoin doesn't want to go extint.

It is. And it wont.

Honestly I haven't been impressed with Bitcoin's inability to adapt for the last couple of years. That is why I was shocked this run up got so high. Both BTC and ETH couldn't handle it.

Yes, As the digital age continues further into the future the technology will balance out the best of the best cryptocurrencies to be utilized into companies. Iota looks like to be a whole other animal bigger then bitcoin with its own form and strength.

Bitcoin blockchain should understand that the only thing that is permanent is change. Steemit transfer is free. Good to hear that of Iota

  ·  7 years ago 

Nice info. thanks for sharing. voted.

from yesterday to today bitcoin : from 1.7 to 2.2 :O

Interesting to hear this considering I don't consider myself too knowledgeable on crypto

I think that bitcoin is capable of playing ball with the best, it'' be upgraded over and over to make this possible

Why is the 1st of August an important date jcornel?

Awesome.
I love this post

This is truly the economics of the future. Easy to red info. TY

thank you so much for this another great informative post:)

IOTA has zero fees because it's not a blockchain. I am still highly skeptical of it.

interesting stuff!

true

Thanx for giving this kind of information about the satoshiPay and bitcoin, because my brother had a account on this marketing business.

BTC never went mainstream, nor became user-friendly. It is much closer to Friendster than Myspace. Or maybe it's even closer to IRC...

Thus, the second-mover advantage should hold a lot of weight right now. Especially since BTC stopped innovating.

Part of me wants to see BTC split into 2+ chains so they can each speed ahead.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Coins are popping up like websites
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True talk

Interesting stuff. How large is this company, is their departure important? It does seem logical for a micropayment processor. A number of options are better designed for micros than Bitcoin ever was.

Good job sir! I mean, we all ❤ Bitcoin, as the man said. But yeah, times do change, and in technology, they change fast! Cheers!

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I really appreciate posts like this. Although the crypto world is way over my head, I tend to learn little bits and pieces the more I read. The other day I traded some BTC for steem and then tried to make another trade but was unable to. There were no pop ups or any type of notifications telling me that I wasn't allowed but so many transactions in a certain time frame, but I'm assuming that's what was prohibiting the the transaction from completing. Thanks for the information, upvoted and redeemed!

IOTA up in the past 24 hours , is interesting

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

As already pointed out by @altman @toon and @independencenow and @conspiracyguy among others, Bitcoin's limited supply in the end may become what was needed and had been abandoned by almost all fiat currency systems. A stored/reserve standard that could be certainly quantified but not so easily manipulated by todays reserve systems, one that could not be easily inflated. In that sense it has already accomplished that. All other alt coins will simply be a promissory crypto note backed up by an actual precious and limited resource Bitcoin. The ones that can most readily adapt to this system will survive or the ones most readily accepted at any exchange for bitcoin will remain, holding bitcoin will become like holding actual crypto gold.

Ouch. This won't help bitcoin price.

Really? I have never even heard of SatoshiPay.

This is very interesting and I am waiting on the side lines to see what the play is for myself.

Well I think they are missing out

Thanks for the article - lots of food for thought. The clock might be ticking for Bitcoin hence the importance of the upcoming events. 1 August is almost here. The facts speak for themselves - until now Bitcoin is holding its own and still has the largest market cap - hence lots of trust still in the coin despite its shortcomings. Time will tell if the sentiments will change dramatically or only slightly. I am no expert but I think that Bitcoin will continue to hold its glorious position being the pioneer but will continue to have it usefulness even if other coins will outperform it in the future. Only time will tell.

As the Chinese proverb says, "May you live in interesting times." This will be something to watch, at least.

I think Bitcoin'll never devided in 2 parts just b'coz soft-core segwit 2x is working for gr8 result about it's 2MB Block per transaction.

The way I understand it, BTC will know it's future / fate on 21st July ... from bitcointalk...

It looks like the biggest uncertainties will be resolved this Friday, July 21st. With far above 80% support for SegWit2x, August 1st should not matter anymore (as BIP 148 will not trigger).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2027198.0

Awesome. I sincerely hope that is the case. Although I am not sure that really solves anything.

I am not a fan of Segwit2x .... with some sidechain designs (I use that term loosely) and other technologies patented to corporates and individuals I believe this is NOT in the spirit of blockchain or Bitcoin.

Maybe it's time for them to change their domain name? This seems to have been a simple mathematical prophecy directly related to the price of BTC itself. Yes, BTC has spurred the evolution and was the first, but if it was still $2 a coin they probably wouldn't be so hasty to move on.

Is this going to happen really?

I still don't own any IOTAs, maybe I should hurry up ... ;-)

Bitcoin just hard forked, and its not SegWit2X or UASF. There is now a third one called Bitcoin Cash that is immediately raising the block size to 8MB and leaving the others behind.
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@belerophon/the-ante-has-been-raised-bitcoin-cash-announces-aug-1-hard-fork

IOTA without mining and fee transactiom mean there's no incentive for the guys who run masternodes, this currency intended for big IOT coorporation not for common folks.

Man, I get serious FUD every time I read one of these articles, I really have no clue as to what's going on.

Cg