Safely Claiming Bitcoin Fork Coins Like Bitcoin Cash

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You can read all about Bitcoin Cash in this Coindesk article: Bitcoin Cash: Why It's Forking the Blockchain And What That Means.

The basic idea is the blockchain will be copied and slightly modified so your private keys will give you access not only to your bitcoin but also to a corresponding amount of a newly created tokens. In this case, Bitcoin Cash.

You do control your private keys, right? If not, check out episode 4 of UBF.

There's a glaring security concern here because, often, you have to import your private keys into the new coin wallet in order to access and control those funds. Let me run through a worst-case scenario to illustrate why this could be a big problem.

Imagine someone comes out with a new scam coin (we'll call it BitcoinAWESOME) including a new QT wallet. Let's say they convince some heavy financial backers it's the real deal to gain lots of publicity and support. The con then involves people importing all their bitcoin private keys in order to get some new BitcoinAWESOME. Then, as planned, each and every one of those bitcoin addresses gets drained because the scammer hid some code in the BitcoinAWESOME wallet to broadcast a transfer to the Bitcoin network using the private key you just gave it.

This isn't a highly plausible situation based on how many people can review open source code, but we do know pretty serious accidents can happen (a recent Parity multisig wallet issue led to a $30M theft).

I'm not suggesting or even hinting this may be the case with Bitcoin Cash, I'm just giving a hypothetical situation which could happen at some point in the future. This is a risk we should be aware of and protect ourselves against.

Seems to me, if you're doing one of these bitcoin split coins, be sure to move your bitcoin off the address in question BEFORE you try to claim your new coin. That way, if it is a scam, they only get access to an empty wallet.

If you own some bitcoin and you want to get some Bitcoin Cash after August 1st, I suggest you follow this process:

  1. Get all your bitcoin into addresses where you know and control the private keys. Coinbase and others will not support BCC, so you'll have to move your coins if that's where you have them.

  2. After the snapshot is taken (in this case, after 12:20 pm UTC on Tuesday, August 1st), move all your BTC to new bitcoin addresses.

  3. Claim your Bitcoin Cash via the Bitcoin Cash wallet using the private keys of the old addresses where the BTC was at the time of the snapshot.

  4. If you're not a long-term Bitcoin Cash holder, send it to an exchange and sell for free money.

  5. Move on with your life.

Yes, you could also move your bitcoin to an exchange which has publicly announced their support of Bitcoin Cash and promised to give their customers an equivalent amount based on their bitcoin holdings there. But... that's a risk. If you don't own the private key, then you don't own the cryptocurrency. Trusting exchanges has historically been a really bad move.

I have no idea what the price of bitcoin is going to do or if Bitcoin Cash will hold any long-term value. I do know it's our responsibility to learn how to properly use cryptocurrencies safely and effectively if we want to be part of this financial revolution. For more on that, please see episode 3 of UBF: Safety and Security.

Please let me know if you have any questions, but try also to Google for answers first. You'll probably find many well-written articles to explain the answer to your question much better than I can.

Be safe out there, kiddos. Interesting times are coming.


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You can also add Kraken to the list of exchanges who will trade BCC day 1. Doesn't apply to all forks, but it applies to this fork.

BCC is the ticker for Bitconnect; they have made Bitcoin Cash into BCH. Or atleast that's what I see it abbreviated as in newer articles

True, I will amend from her on out, thanks for the heads up.

I purposefully didn't list out the exchanges because I'm not convinced that's the best approach to teach people to trust centralized exchanges. I did that when ZClassic did a fork on Bittrex, and it worked out well enough, but I still think history shows us it's much safer to control your own private keys.

100% agree in terms of pure safety; in this case, if you want to participate in erly trading it seems like only Kraken is the place to be. Bittrex will offer it but we don't know when.

Thanks Luke! Been looking for ideas on how to proceed. Be careful everyone and take your time, practice safe crypto.

Thanks luke i will be following your advice!

That's a great idea - Moving your funds on the main chain before importing the keys on the alt chain. Glad you're keeping ahead of the game

Great post Luke. Very concise and easy to follow. I've been debating on whether to do this money grab with BCC (that's the way I see it, but I could be wrong) and had decided against it b/c I wasn't 100% comfortable with "how" to do it properly. Well, you just solved that with your post, lol. I've learned my lesson with trading and know I'm more comfortable simply investing, (buying and holding) so I'm going to refrain from participating and just hold my BTC.

One question I'd love to hear your take on is Polo in regards to them disabling the ability to withdraw Steem. What is really going on here? There's a pretty good disparity between the price of Steem on Polo vs Bittrex and I've thought of buying some Steem on Polo and just waiting it out until they fix their issue, but something definitely doesn't feel right. Would really like to hear your opinion regarding this issue.

It's still down, huh? Man, sorry to hear that. I was quite happy to get my 3,000 Steem out. After that drama, I don't trust Polo. I won't use them again if I can avoid it. I don't know what the deal is there. Maybe try tweeting at the guy I tweeted at and see if that moves things along?

You could take the risk... http://www.steemdollar.com/steem_index.php does show quite a gap (almost $0.25). But... yeah. You might learn another lesson if you take that risk.

I'd really love to see STEEM trading everywhere.

Great article @lukestokes. With many folks helping to cover of this topic, it strengthens the community the greatest amount possible.

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Great post, thanks for sharing!

I sent my bitcoins from one electrum wallet to another after 8:20.

Then I couldn't find a BCC wallet that would work and restore my private keys, because electron cash is incompatible.

What can i do? I feel like I got robbed.

As long as you control the private keys, you should be fine. It seems to me the BCC network isn't working so well right now (12 hours since the last block?) and very few exchanges allow deposits anyway. It's kind of a mess. My current thinking is to not imagine I have any value, no matter what the listed price of BCC is, since it might just be a manipulated price at this point. I think we'll know more in the weeks to come.

If I had a good option for getting BCC out of my paper wallets and on to an exchange, I'd do it now. I think others feel the same way. Since there aren't that many good options, I think the price is artificially high at the moment. Once people can dump their BCC, I expect the price to go down quite a bit.

But hey, it could also go up. No one really knows.

Received my email this morning form Coinbase, regarding the Bitcoin fork, but sad to report Coinbase, will only continue to support the original version of BTC.

i don't forsee bitcoin cash holding long term value owing to the fact that i think most likely there will be a lot of sell order for the equivalent bitcoin cash gotten after the fork and that will drive the value down and it might have a hard time recovering.investors will probably stick with btc, as they saying goes, the devil you know is better than the angel you don't know.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting either way. I imagine the price will fluctuate a lot and the experienced traders will do very well. Massive whale dumps, people buying cheap to bring the price back up a bit, followed by more dumps, some coordinated pumps, etc... it's going to be a wild ride. Especially if the miners start playing power trip games with it and moving their hashing power around to impact the market.

"move on with your life" hehe. Hope this hard fork will make everything better for all the other cryptos as well.

Good PSA, Luke! Props to you for that. Keep up the good work!

Thanks Matt!

Most welcome, man! Just giving credit where it's due.

Interesting!!

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Good post, I'm holding BTC for now, not all that interested in BCC. In this case of a fork in the road, I will not be taking the Road Less Traveled.

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nice tips thanks for sharing bro :)

good information , more and more happy to be here, thanks for posting

Thank you for this explanation. I'll definitely be checking out the links and episodes you mentioned. I watched Trevon James' video about the hard fork last night, and it's not what I originally thought. Still, free money is free money. Obviously there are some hurdles to get to it, but it seems that in so doing, it's also an exercise in learning proper crypto security, and that's a good thing, although it would be nice if the exchanges had a higher trust factor. :/

it would be nice if the exchanges had a higher trust factor. :/

Maybe... but part of me thinks we're still stuck in an old paradigm. I'm much prefer we use decentralized exchanges instead of following the old central bank model. Each individual owning and controlling their own stores of value sounds really good to me.

I still understand it badly. Is it better to keep on the stock exchanges tokens in bitcoins or in altcoyins?

There is always a risk, so be careful:)

Where ever there is potential financial gain, there will be scammers.

Indeed there will. It's an arms race, and we have to stay one step ahead to encourage them to instead put their efforts into more justified, moral gains.

This is some very sane, smart advice @lukestokes. Thanks. It's a little bit of the wild west out here, and I know that's just how you like it :)

Certainly makes me feel uncomfortable some of the time.

Thanks Brady. I'm not sure I like it totally wild, but I do like having a bit of control on my own future, even if it is just a bit of an illusion. :)

Things will continue to be uncomfortable for some time, I think. It takes some time to mature in the wild. I hope blockchain tech continues to get that chance instead of being regulated into the illusion of safety and security.

How can I safely claim bitcoin cash?

I appreciate the detailed explanation and process description. I have been following this ongoing situation and feel I understand what needs to be done, but reading as much as I can is not a bad move either. Your actions steps are very helpful. Thank you.

Glad to hear it, thank you!

Thanks very much for this very clear, logical, and helpful explanation and guide! I was feeling very confused about what to do until I read your post. Thanks!

Hey Hi @lukestokes i want to ask something one person told me that if we have BTC worth any amount we will also get BCC of that same amount is that true ??

That's my understanding. As to what each of them will be worth... no one really knows.

Exciting times indeed! There's really a wave of anxiety hovering over August 1. Will you be getting some of those BCC, Luke? I've been researching about it this past week, but I'm still on the fence. Would love to hear your stance on it.

I may play around with it. I hear some rumblings about Chinese miner support and if that's the case, it could shake things up a bit. It's going to be a wild crypto ride as some move into and out of bitcoin from alts and fiat.

Cool

I actually cashed out all my Bitcoin into USD yesterday at a decent 2750. I'm gonna wait until after 8/1 before i get more BTC. I'm hoping for it to be low enough to buy in again, or just but Steem.

Might be a good plan. Good luck!

Also, if BTC moons and goes to $3k+.... sorry. :)

Plus, i don't want to have to deal with Bitcoin Cash...

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