The Power of HODL - Understanding the Scam of BitConeeeeeect

in bitconnect •  7 years ago  (edited)

The Power of HODL

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ANALOGY:
You give me $100 for a gold coin. I keep the $100 cash AND hold the gold coin for you.
That $100 gold coin increases in value to $4000 in one month.

But I promised to give you back $1000 cash over the course of 3 months.
Now you are up $900 profit with your original investment back. And I will keep giving you cash slowly.
You are happy right?
If so, you might be a:

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You have made $900 cash profit. That's 10 times your money. #1000% yo.
But you COULD HAVE MADE the entire $4000 if you just kept it yourself and did nothing.

So really you got ripped off $3000 because of the increase in value you didn't account for.
And then said 'thank you' because you got $900 more than you put in. Of your own money.

Technically, you are making profit.
But you are getting ripped off at the same time.
It's like a new class of Ponzi scam based upon the increased value of an additional medium of trade in the mix.

All you are concentrating on is the US dollars that you are getting back.
And you think you are making profit. You are making profit. IN USD!!
But you are loosing most of what you WOULD have made IN BITS if you hadn't "loaned" it out or given it away.
Portfolio up in USD.... DOWN in Satoshis.
You should not be happy.

HODL > than any platform guaranteeing a return at a constant rate in USD for lending out BTC.

That platform WILL be able to sustain itself as long as BTC keeps rising in value. People WILL make profits.
But unless I'm mistaken, they are loosing much more than what they Would Have gained by just HODLing right?

The name of the game in crypto is GAINING SATOSHIS. Those Satoshis will increase in value relative to all world currencies.

BitGrow and BitCoinsBrain and other HYIP Scams fail sooner than later because they paid you back in BTC.
So it can't be sustainable. Which is why they actually collapsed and are nowhere to be found now:

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But if a platform pays you back in USD and you gave them BTC.... and they keep the majority of the rise in value.... then you just suckered yourself into a "scam".

But can you call it a "scam" if you're making profit while telling you up front they are giving you a constant return IN USD?!
Or are you just willingly giving the majority of your own profits away in exchange for them to dole out your own BTC profits in the form of USD?

Have to create a new word/ class of "ponzi" for this because there is another medium of exchange in the mix.
If BitConnect paid you back in BTC, it would qualify as a classic ponzi and HYIP, but applied to crypto. Which would fail sooner than later.

But there is a combination with the rise in value of BTC and return of investment in USD.
Which confuses people to the ILLUSION of profits. Or rather, a service is being claimed while taking the majority of the "interest"/ value earned from the BTC rising itself.

The agreement to dole you out a percentage of your own profits is not being violated. You literally agreed to get ripped off and give up what you WOULD have made if you had just HODLed.
It's like doing shady business with someone who doesn't know math that well. So they see profits and are happy. But really they are only getting a percentage of their own profits.

Guaranteeing a return IN THE SAME MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE at a constant rate = unsustainable ponzi scheme.
You give USD and they guarantee more USD back. = FAIL
You give BTC and they guarantee more BTC back . = FAIL
Literally will stop like a closed system engine with an empty tank of gasoline.

But BitConnect is like an Open System engine that relies on the entire financial structure to sustain.
You give BTC and they guarantee USD back. = YOU Win a little and Fail A LOT and THEY Win A LOT.

As long as BTC is growing in value... BitConnect has a sustainable structure to take the majority of percentage of SATOSHIS you put in.
And if you knowingly agree to that up front and don't care because you're only concentrating on USD.... then you might be a member of the Lollipop Guild!

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ALL platforms that promise a constant rate of return are scams. HYIP schemes, ponzis, etc.
You CANNOT promise a constant rate of return and make that guarantee in a volatile and unpredictable market.
Unless you have more income coming in than going out.
And if it's a lending platform, there should be equal in and out. But if value increases of the medium being lended.... then you CANNOT guarantee a return at a constant rate.
Unless you are ripping someone off in the process.
But if you do it in a good enough way, the sleight of hand will fool you into thinking you are benefiting more with them than without them.

Power of HODL in BTC is > than the ILLUSION of TOTAL profits earned in USD

The only way you would win in this deal is if BTC TANKED LOWER than it was when you put it into BitConnect.
Then you are guaranteed the return in USD regardless. But then BitConnect would have to keep paying people at the same rate even though BTC was loosing value. Then they would shut down sooner rather than later.
But because BTC is rising, they can just keep taking the majority of percentage of rise in value.

Is this assessment of BitConneeeeeeeeect's model accurate?
HODLING Without BitConeeeeeect = a greater return than Lending with Bitconeeeeeect.

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There's also another dynamic to mention.
The MLM structure of referral bonuses.
In the gold coin analogy at the start of this article, you see that you would have made more money keeping the coin than lending it out.
But if you have enough referral bonuses, it will be AS IF you are getting the true value of your BTC investment. Because you've convinced so many other suckers to join, you are benefitting off the majority of their percentages being ripped off.
So it literally takes tainting your own soul to bring more people in... just to get back to the point you WOULD have been if you just HODLed in the first place.
Lame.

(For people wondering the Origin of HODL)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0

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Thank you for this. I'm still fairly new to crypto, and the sheer number of different options I see touted can seem overwhelming. I had heard one person talking up Bitconnect a lot, and didn't think of it in these terms. Resteemed.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

you called it :D

Hey man lets get SEG ICO to fund the EOS airdrop im seriuous man

How many million dollars will we need to buy the magnetizers and the CNC machines? Im willing to show people how it works and how it HAS to be exact and it may take a few tries but itsgonanb e SUCH a massive payout IMAGINE the money you make from Mining BITCOIn with a SEG can be use to pay dividends automatically of sharehgolders bro

ICO/Airdrop on Steem SMT can fund teh SEG we can get ALL the crazy conspiracy peopel around tehw orld even flat earthers to give us all tehri money hahaha we can get that guy who made the documentary with the free enegry device, the famous one i forget teh name of that but yeah we can get SO many supporters toinvest in this ICO

hahahahahah

Crypto realy IS going to save the world, and thsoe who make fun of thata re so limited in their thinking they cant do holographic thinking like us man ahahhahaha

Is he coming back?

We never left. :)

who are you, an SEG guy
or what exactly LOL

  ·  4 years ago (edited)

I'm Jason Verbelli. A jack of all trades. Mad Scientist, Playboy, Village idiot. lol

I never saw the overunity possibilities in the Searl, but the antigravity aspects looked compelling...
I am in the energy industry, I have my own ideas in that!

  ·  4 years ago (edited)

Overunity doesn't exist.
Overunity applies to the idea of a closed system putting out more than what goes in.

You can only pour out as much water from a glass as you fill the glass with first.
Simple concept.
You can only drain a battery with as much energy as you charged it with first.

... but... if you are standing outside during a rainstorm while pouring out the glass of water... then the surrounding atmosphere can contribute more to the glass that what YOU put in.

But now... you have to account for the surrounding environment supplying input as an Open System.
And in an open system, there is a proportional amount of energy going in and coming out still. So overunity doesn't apply to open systems.

But if you aren't aware the environment is contributing to the output... then you will make up fantasies about a closed system putting out more than what goes in and nonsense about overunity.

The SEG never claimed to put out more than what goes in. Only claimed that the unit extracts/ steals energy from the environment around it.
The energy must come from somewhere. Something must lower in order to generate an electric current.

But in this case... what lowers is the surrounding temperature. (heat and temperature are 2 different things)
It's not a flow of heat like the carnot cycle. It's dealing with the internal kinetic energy of "electrons" as a media itself.
Like how a hydroelectric dam has water media flowing through it.

The SEG has an electron media flowing through it.
Asymmetrically absorbed in 3 dimensions and output in 2 dimensions at the equator in a ring.
Restricting an entire orthagonal axis worth of kinetic energy to flow in 2 dimensions, radially.
Creating massive pressure and exotic effects.
Supplied by the environment!

THAT Works for ME!
Overunity in SPACE-TIME is fueled by the 5th dimension, or a higher order dimension.
In fact, it exists in electrical theory as reactive power. The math used is "imaginary numbers".
It is what one may call "apparent OU" in time and space, but it is inflows from a higher dimension.
Or "lower dimension", if you believe the Aether is such an underlying plane...

PS: I've long subscribed to that explanation...

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Yes. I worked with Professor John Searl directly until he passed away in December of 2018.
Here is some more information on combining crypto with the SEG.