It all started roughly three weeks ago on a fateful night when I was wagering small amounts of Steem on the Steem-bet website. Disclosure: I no longer recommend using this site! We were betting small amounts of Steem, when a high-roller started to play @jplabs, an account owned by @broncnutz. This account was clearly farming SBT tokens, which you can stake for dividends-we were all there to play and collect SBT tokens. The gambling is very similar to sites like magic-dice where you gamble and earn stakes in the casino as you play. This can potentially make small losses have less of an impact and make the odds slightly better as you get SBT tokens on every bet placed and they represent a claim to future dividends (a % of casino profits).
We all thought there were going to be 880,000,00 SBT tokens, so getting 50 per Steem bet when the house edge is only 2% could be extremely profitable. If you bet 100, 1 Steem bets, you would win 49% of the time so chances are you would end up with 98 Steem and 5000 tokens. The 5000 tokens would represent a certain stake in the casino (roughly 0.00057%) not bad for 2 Steem, or so we thought. We would get some of our losses back eventually in the form of dividends. They were to cut the stakes when 5% of the tokens were bet or 44 million tokens. Then...look what they did!
They inflated the tokens by a factor of 5!
Giving a lousy excuse about how they were going to make 4 more games using the same token. They also made the point at which dividends would be paid out 5 times higher, so now dividends won't be paid until 220m tokens are mined. This infuriated some of us as you may have seen in a trending post by Broncnutz https://steemit.com/dtube/@broncnutz/8sjyqlo8 We asked them numerous times to compensate us with 5 times the tokens as they were worth 5 times as less in terms of overall stake, but they refused and insulted our maths skills. They also assumed that we wouldn't notice them changing their dividend token FAQ, luckily I had caught it in a screenshot pictured above before then changed it. I decided to cut my losses, stop gambling and just periodically check in and voice my displeasure since they weren't budging with compensating us for their changes.
Notice how they mentioned No pre-mining
Again liars! Well sort of, I confronted them about their mining activities and they denied it and so I did a little digging. Admin disappeared after my comment because there was really nothing they could say. Who on earth would create an account solely to bet 100 Steem every few minutes on Steem-Bet? It wasn't just one account that was suspicious, there were more.
You can see these three accounts I called out a few days ago are still at it. Slowly mining tokens, placing the same bets over and over. @fairytay @kezjo001 @xqzk09fd have been doing the same bets for days now. They are only interrupted when they run out of resources, someone turns them off, or they run out of Steem and have to be refilled. So who is doing the refilling?
It turns out these accounts are all operated by @kitezat you can look at their account, they have only resteemed an @steem-bet post and they are also linked to the three accounts above. But wait! There is one other account mysteriously feeding @kitezat with tokens...who could that possibly be? Is it other users of their site such as @oldtimer? @donald.porter? @trevonjb? @champjus? @glastar? @drfk? @cgbartow? or @thomasgutierrez no....none of these people are are fuelling @kitezat. So who is @kitezat? See below or look in the wallet yourself.
Is that Steem-Bet transferring tokens to Kitezat?
Call me stupid or a liar. Say these are API bots, but you can look back for days and see these patterns. Steem-bet is transferring Kitezat tokens, Kitezat is moving them between those three bots and Kitezat is not always gambling on Steem-bet yet consistently receiving tokens from Steem-bet.
No Pre-Mining, SBT is Being Actively Mined!
You can also explore the blockchain and see that @benedicti has done nothing but refer people including these bots to Steem-bet. I have reason to believe that accounts without a referral are being directed to @benedicti as well. Who owns @benedicti? Well it is odd that @benedicti gets all sorts of referrals and transfers the proceeds to no other than...@kezjo001 also look at @lolhax159 who collects the referrals from the bots and transfers the proceeds to @blocktrades presumably for converting the Steem into something else.
Maybe i'm just a nut, or stupid but I see a pattern here. A web of bots designed to make volume and mine SBT which is owned or operated by someone @kitezat who received transfers directly from @Steem-bet. Yet Steem-bet denies that these are their bots, so I am calling them out to explain this @kitezat and related accounts.
No one would use their site if they realized that the majority of tokens are being collected by bots funded by Steem-Bet. Watch when the bots tokens are suddenly staked, all our staked percentage and payouts will plummet. Fairytay's bets of 100 Steem every few minutes plus Xqzk09fd's 65 Steem and Kezjo001's 20 steem bets really mean a lot of tokens mined by @Kitezat and friends who is funded by @steem-bet. I wonder who owns the master keys?
Will Steem-bet do what's honourable and burn these tokens they are mining...yeah right!
See below, they are now spamming in attempts to gain gamblers. My friend @abitcoinskeptic made a lovely post which is winning a competition about favourite restaurants found here https://steemit.com/tasteem/@abitcoinskeptic/tasteem-c9a8f5 and you can see at the bottom, @steem-bet tried to solicit him which was met with a prompt down vote for spam. I salute you @abitcoinskeptic for maintaining integrity on the blockchain! @tasteem
Q: Who Will Loot the 'Huge' Dividend Pool?
A: Steem-bet of Course!
When will their sneaky games end? This is a blockchain, its transparent and immutable-so don't assume you can play tricks and lie. I can look up all transactions, transfers history and everything related to the games you are pulling @steem-bet. You are terrible, your platform has no place here and I hope @broncnutz and friends continue to down-vote your posts to oblivion. #integrity
PS. If you want to try a fair dice game by people who have yet to do wrong, try out EPIC DICE @epicdice using my referral may really help me gain back some of the Steem I will probably lose when Steem-bet and their minions down vote this post. I'd also like some up-votes for visibility and will spend the 40 or so Steem I have won from Steem-bet promoting this post over the next few days.
Epic Dice Referral
https://epicdice.io/?ref=crypticat
Or try @magicdice if you haven't already
https://magic-dice.com/?ref=crypticat
Please play responsibly
Good find on noticing their other suspicious behaviors.
I can't stand spam. I get advertising, but they should at least offer me an up vote or something. I had to waste my VP downvoting their comment here as you mentioned.
It's a restaurant review and entirely unrelated to gaming or gambling. I've seen more on equally ridiculous unrelated posts and downvoted a couple more. I even offer to remove my downvote if for some reason the poster wants comment spam visible. It's becoming annoying.
Also, I have even trashed them before and know their platform, so their spam is low quality and not even targeted.
It should be made clear to everyone that they have no integrity or interest in being good members of the community.
Don't get me wrong I like gambling and want it on this blockchain, but the good ones who do it right will be overshadowed by the ones that have no standards and are backhanded.
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Gambling is great over the blockchain when it's fair. Also for all we know you could be a little kid in a jurisdiction where online gambling is illegal. Or, maybe it's against your religion. Either way they have no business randomly soliciting people.
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I was immediately suspicious of them when they spammed posts with their comments. I'm sorry. :(
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We don't need your apologies Phoenixwren, cat lovers can do no evil 🐱
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!dramatoken
But nice observation! This site looked scammy right from the beginning.
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You've got
DRAMA
!To view or trade
DRAMA
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Interesting post ...
I'm a gambler and I would certainly be pissed with those changes as well. You can't advertise a promo / deal and then change it once players have accepted it and deposited and played based on that deal/promo.
Hopefully this all gets worked out for everyone involved. All the best with your gambling activities @crypticat.
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Thanks Rentmoney, if you want to gamble your Steem, the best place is Epicdice https://epicdice.io/?ref=crypticat
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We will have surprise announcement to everyone. I think you will be satisfied.
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Doesn't matter @broncnutz is hell bent on ruining SteemBet at any cost, the irony he's the leading stakeholder and is willing to take everyone down with him over a few pennies 🙄
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The irony is I’m not tryIng to kill SteemBet. I had a LONG talk just yesterday on discord with the developers to try and solve this for everyone.....even you Donnie.....because I actually like to get involved and be part of the solution rather than just wish, hope and sit on the fence like you @donald.porter ! The money means nothing to me, I’m only concerned about integrity, transparency and fairness for ALL players. A statement from SteemBet will be coming soon....you will see that I actually do care and I do something about it.....un like you just following everyone around like a sheep.
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THIS GUY ABUSES EVERYTHING ABOUE STEEM.
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You're the sheep. Use a word longer than 12 letters and prove me wrong 🤣😂🤣😂
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Dance for me puppet.
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Let's wait and see if it's satisfactory, either way I'll write a post about your solution and ensure it's trending so let's hope this announcement meets our expectations.
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Great case, I see you took my 'do a flow chart' suggestion from discord, but bro... pls don't mention me in these posts. I'm not fond of being in the same sentence as a couple of the people you mentioned.
Keeping it between you and #SteemBet is a more professional approach. But I understand the frustration. I didn't have much STEEM so it's likely that I risked more than everyone else on there... my time.
As for #EpicDice... I think I've had my fill, no more mining for a while.
Cheers!
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You are one of their biggest users and I thought it would be important to mention everyone who has staked dividends. Remeber your stakes are being diluted by SteemBet. This is not a theory, it is a fact.
They are transferring funds directly to Kitezat and mining their own tokens through a bot network. Going public about this behavior is important. I will not attempt to make a backroom deal with SteemBet as they have no integrity. They still owe us for inflating the tokens by 5x without out compensation.
Professionals must have integretity, Steem-Bet has no integrity and I am warning everyone to be careful with them.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with you totally bro— just wasn't expecting a mention in that context.
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Lol....so people can’t mention you in public forms now @donald.porter ? You play both side of the fence here and you stand for absolutely NOTHING. Your such a pussy donald, have no spine to stand up for what is right instead your pleading not to be mentioned in the same paragraph as me? Your weak, your a follower and people like you are bad for blockchain. Respect @crypticat for writing this blog the exact way you did and mentioning Donald the two faced cheerleader in a public forum where he regularly likes to chip in his two cents. You already stepped in the pile of shit donald and me and anyone else on Steemit can and will mention your name any time we feel like it. Real talk.....you are softer than baby shit.
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I would never come to that dirty country, Making death threats online shows just how “soft” you really are. Point proven. #triggered
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I was curious when those big playas going to stake
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They're not players, they're bots. Bots who ultimately get fed by Steem-Bet. They will stake just in time for when it matters.
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If the staking is time based, the bots are building our dividends and should be seen as a good thing. If not then we are right and it's a ploy to take the divs before release. Either way I'm not touching it till then.
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!magicdice
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Hello @crypticat
You requested your Magic Dice details.
You were referred to Magic Dice by None and have 2 referrals.
You are currently delegating 0 Steem Power.
You have placed 5,406 bets with a 75.56% win rate.
You have wagered 19,184.627000 STEEM and 283.953000 SBD.
You have won 19,241.148000 STEEM and 281.188000 SBD.
Your profit is 56.521000 STEEM and -2.765000 SBD.
You received 0.303614 STEEM and 0.868470 SBD in referral bonuses.
You received 41.915189 STEEM and 0.247253 SBD in dividends.
Your absolute profit/loss is: 98.436000 STEEM and -2.518000 SBD
You have acquired 602,892.974324 Magic Tokens.
Your spent per 1M Magic Tokens: -93.749000 STEEM and 4.586000 SBD.
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You can go here and get on the promoted tab for free:
https://steemit.com/newbiegames/@rentmoney/i-will-pay-to-send-your-content-to-the-promoted-section-followers-appreciation-promotion-27
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Thanks, will do. Time to spread the word!
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U are our top 10 staking players in SteemBet.
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Yeah and I should have 5 times the stakes, but you guys inflated the amount of tokens and will soon stake the tokens from your network of bots further diluting real players shares. Explain your inflation, compensate us for it and dismantle your bot network and give us those tokens. Of course I played that's how I noticed your tricks!
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I had a convo with Devs that was good. They are gonna work up a solution from what we spoke about. Thanks for the help and standing up with me for what is right, Blockchain needs more people like you.
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They let me know too, let's hope it's a decent solution and that we can return to the platform again.
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dont know for some reason i knew there was something fishy about this site, was playing this morning but not getting any tokens and no admin, mod of dev available and still no tokens after more than 7 hours, good post
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Thanks, there are a lot of fishing things about them. I'll check back once and a while to update myself with the drama. Hope you didn't lose too much.
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Indeed some dubious transactions. I also even wonder if they will ever pay out the dividends.
But hey I did find a new toy to play with. Looks promising and at the moment it is more like a pre-mining state.
Feel free to take a look at:
https://kryptogamers.com/dice/?ref=fullcoverbetting
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I tried a couple hands of their blackjack and prefer online dice. I have no idea about the fairness of their blackjack. For example how many decks are they using and when do they shuffle
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I also still do wonder how many decks they are using. I will ask and let you know if I find out.
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4 decks are used!
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Cool, and they say when they are shuffled. I like 4 decks, we don't get that in casinos around here, it's usually 8 or at best 6
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They are shuffled before each round!
So each deal is generated out of a fresh set of 4 decks.
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Oh, that's a shame. Still blackjack is more interesting than dice. Can't wait for poker tournaments.
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You can play Poker on the steem blockchain. Even for free.
Each day a daily freeroll is going on on lucksacks.com.
Always forget to play it :(
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thanks @fullcoverbetting... yeah, we miss you ;)
@crypticat, let me know if you want info about Lucksacks we'd love to have you play with us!
@bethalea from the @spl :)
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