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Dostoevsky's THE IDIOT


BOOK I - CHAPTERS 3 / 4 / 5


INTRODUCTION
Thanks to @anna89 last week, we have started the bookclub. As a reminder, we know now that Prince Myshkin is back in Saint-Petersburg after 4 years in a private health institution in Switzerland. Pennyless, lonely and forgotten, the Prince heads towards the house of the General Epanchin, who married a long lost cousin of his, and constitutes his last hope. After facing the questions and the doubts of the General’s servant - who see him as a kind of beggar - he eventually obtains audience with the busy general and his family.

Cast of Characters

  1. Prince Myshkin: 26 years old, the Idiot himself.
  2. General Epanchin : 56 years old, former soldier, rich landowner and investor.
  3. Gabriel β€œGania” Ardalionovitch: 28 years old, secretary of Epantchine.
  4. Elizabetha Prokofievna Epanchin, born Myshkin: a β€œproud” woman, mother of three.
  5. Alexandra, Adelaida, and Aglaya Epantchine: three young ladies.

What is happening?

After 4 years out of Russia, Prince Myshkin is back in Saint-Petersburg and must immediately re-acquaint himself with the ways of a modern and civilized Russia. After managing to completely take aback the servant of the General Epanchin with his naivety and frankness, he wins access to the General Epanchin , who is frankly astonished by the apparition of this β€œrelation” (which reminded me of the painting of Ilya Repin which comes here with this paragraph) and also quite suspicious … Is he a kind of beggar, a parasite, who will leverage his family connection to his wife to gain supper, money and lodging? The scene is almost comical in effect - like a vaudeville scene in a theater. However, there is also a mystery, because Prince Myshkin keeps referring to a certain affair on which he requires advice:

In fact, I have a certain question upon which I much need advice, and do not know whom to go to for it. I thought of your family when I was passing through Berlin.

A bit later on, when Prince Myshkin is telling about his story in Switzerland, the author also adds that:

because of a certain matter which came to the ears of the latter, Schneider had despatched the young man to Russia.

However, we will never know what is this β€œmatter” about because by the end of the chapter, the General Epanchin will cut the conversation short before Myshkin can really talk about it:

The general left the room, and the prince never succeeded in broaching the business which he had on hand, though he had endeavoured to do so four times.

I think that Dostoyevsky is doing that on purpose, and plays with the audience. There is a mystery there, or a simple trick to keep the audience curious and attentive. And it works!

However, even if Myshkin can’t explain himself, he has made his honesty and his goodness so obvious that the General Epanchin is obviously conquered and eventually agrees to help him, on the pretext of his calligraphic skills, by providing him with a job AND a lodging:

I shall find you a place in one of the State departments, an easy placeβ€”but you will require to be accurate. Now, as to your plansβ€”in the house, or rather in the family of Gania hereβ€”my young friend, whom I hope you will know betterβ€”his mother and sister have prepared two or three rooms for lodgers, and let them to highly recommended young fellows, with board and attendance. I am sure Nina Alexandrovna will take you in on my recommendation.

However, Dostoyevsky makes sure to let us know that the General’s generosity is not totally uninterested - which makes this whole scene looks like in my mind a kind of chapter from Balzac, with people of the XIXth century French society trying to get advantages and favours from one anothers:

Taking so much interest in you as you may perceive I do, I am not without my object, and you shall know it in good time.

If the prospect of having to share lodgings with the Prince embarasses Gabriel’s secrety, this one shows absolutely nothing about it who even goes as far as sharing a cigarette with the Prince and asking him how he finds Nastasia, the woman he may soon marry. Something shows that this woman will be at the center of a love triangle between β€œGania”, Myshkin and Rogojine - the dark brooding figure met in the train, and the evidence is that - before Dostoyevsky shows the encounter between the two last members of the Myshkin family - he takes upon him to tell us a long digression about that mysterious Nastasia.

It seems that Nastasia was a poor country girl, who was taken care of by a rich landowner, brought to town, and who had a total β€œcontrol” over her protector, but not of the sexual kind:

He was afraid, he did not know why, but he was simply afraid of Nastasia Philipovna. For the first two years or so he had suspected that she wished to marry him herself, and that only her vanity prevented her telling him so. He thought that she wanted him to approach her with a humble proposal from his own side. But to his great, and not entirely pleasurable amazement, he discovered that this was by no means the case, and that were he to offer himself he would be refused. He could not understand such a state of things, and was obliged to conclude that it was pride, the pride of an injured and imaginative woman, which had gone to such lengths that it preferred to sit and nurse its contempt and hatred in solitude rather than mount to heights of hitherto unattainable splendour. To make matters worse, she was quite impervious to mercenary considerations, and could not be bribed in any way.

Maybe because of my lack of understanding of this situation, I’m unable to really understand what’s going on there between Nastasia and her β€œprotector” but I guess we will learn more as soon as Dostoyevsky will want.

Eventually, the reason this story is introduced is because it fell to the General Epanchin to broker some kind of deal between Nastasia and her protector: and the General had no better idea than to suggest a wedding between Nastasia and his secretary β€œGania”.
Just when Prince Myshkin appears at the door of the Epantchine’s, all the threads of that wedding are weighing in the balance, between Nastasia has not yet made her mind. Will she? will she not? How is Myshkin going to influence that decision?

We are left with that question pending just when Myshkin is thrown to her relation the Generale Epanchin, born Myshkin, and her 3 daughters who are having supper. He is thoroughly cross-examined by these four women, which does not seem to bother him: he tells the things about his time in Switzerland and his illness as candidly as possible - making him an easy target for the young women:

β€œI have seen a donkey though, mamma!” said Aglaya. β€œAnd I’ve heard one!” said Adelaida. All three of the girls laughed out loud, and the prince laughed with them.

If the Prince laughs at the joke, the mother is embarrassed and her last doubts about the Prince, who she thought was a lunatic madman, disappear. She is on his side from now on and intently listens to his story.

From an idiot, or a donkey, the Prince eventually becomes a kind of philosopher, when he tackles (again) the subject of death and death penalty. There is a long description of the execution scene which was depicted in the chapter II, and once again the Prince clearly states that this scene had a huge impact on his mind and vision of the world.

He is so convincing that, at the end of the chapter 5, the three Epanchin daughters are completely won over by the Prince and want to know more. They even suspect that there is a love story behind all of that… And they are kind of right: but Dostoyevsky cuts short at that moment and will tackle that subject in the following chapter.


My favourite moment/scene

At the end of chapter III, when Gania asks Myshkin something about Rogojine and Nastasia, Myshkin says:

Certainly he would, I should think. He would marry her tomorrow!β€”marry her tomorrow and murder her in a week!”

And to think that he says that about a man he just met in a train and about a woman he just heard about is quite astonishing. Does it mean he has some kind of vision of the future, or an innate sense of human nature? There is a violence behind those words which strikes a strange figure with the calm and peaceful and loving figure of the Prince.

Memorable quote(s) from this chapter

Sometimes I went and climbed the mountain and stood there in the midst of the tall pines, all alone in the terrible silence, with our little village in the distance, and the sky so blue, and the sun so bright, and an old ruined castle on the mountain-side, far away. I used to watch the line where earth and sky met, and longed to go and seek there the key of all mysteries, thinking that I might find there a new life, perhaps some great city where life should be grander and richerβ€”and then it struck me that life may be grand enough even in a prison.

The solitude of the Prince in his Swiss exile is made bare. However, rather than a bane, it turned into a kind of epiphany!

There was a very strange feature in this case, strange because of its extremely rare occurrence. This man had once been brought to the scaffold in company with several others, and had had the sentence of death by shooting passed upon him for some political crime. Twenty minutes later he had been reprieved and some other punishment substituted; but the interval between the two sentences, twenty minutes, or at least a quarter of an hour, had been passed in the certainty that within a few minutes he must die. I was very anxious to hear him speak of his impressions during that dreadful time, and I several times inquired of him as to what he thought and felt. He remembered everything with the most accurate and extraordinary distinctness, and declared that he would never forget a single iota of the experience.

As an echo to the previous quote, we have here its almost equivalent, but in time, not space: you can live in 20 minutes a full life, with all its ups and down - if you don’t waste that time - which means if you KNOW that you are going to die.

Quotes taken from: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2638/2638-h/2638-h.htm

Conclusion

To conclude, so far, we are still in the process of introducing the characters and their backgrounds. Myshking is almost clear since the beginning of the novel: a child, a philosopher, a victim, a pure heart… Who has to navigate his way into the cynical circles of XIXth Russia where everybody is motivated by either money or reputation. He is clearly like a fish out of the water but… somehow… his purity and his goodness shine through and illuminate all the people around him, unaccustomed to such a pure mind and candid ways. There is still one character that we have not β€œmet” in person but that everyone is talking about: Nastasia. The way Dostoyevsky keeps talking about her from other characters remind me of the way he slowly speaks about Stavroguine in The Devils: something which makes me think that she will be the real β€œantagonist” of Myshkin in some perverted kind of way.

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Hi guys! @anna89 @sroka87 @taliakerch @singa @hanen @marinauzelac @alexandraioana26 @alignment @arthur.grafo @soufianechakrouf :-)

As promised here is the second article for the Bookclub, have you had time to catch up?

Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

Good stuff - I missed the first part, but caught this one!

:-) Cool! How did you like those chapters? Any idea where the story is all going?

Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ (edited)

I enjoyed it - its rather slow burning at the moment, setting up the character of the Prince nicely, revealing details about his lack of education and skills, but hinting that "Zeal overcomes all".

I like how the Prince manages to fall on his feet, landing a job from the General by virtue of his beautiful handwriting. It would suggest that his story os not all hard luck and that he will find some breaks along the way!

Slow burning is the world. I feel that the author keeps dropping some clues and hints about how the story will unfold... It seems that the Idiot may not be the main protagonist after all, but a kind of observer who will be engulfed into the problems of the Epanchins...

Yeah! He has just arrived in StPetersburg and has already gotten himself a job, a lodging and 25 rubles ^^ It's like a "rags to riches" plot

Unfortunately didn't have time to catch up. Hopefully Tuesday I will be on track!

No worries :)

Hi @sroka87! Would you like to give a go at the next article, about the next two chapters (6 and7) ?

Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

Sorry @herveisson , this week is crazy busy for me - i'll struggle to find time to read the chapters, let alone write anything !

Sorry. :(

No worries, @sroka87! I think we have someone :)

oh, the bookclub has already been started?? so what must be do now? retell next chapters?
is there any plan? should we do t like Ann or another scheme?
and we must decide the turn and the chapters to be taken

Hello @taliakerch! :-)


Aaaah sorry that you missed the launch! :P But there is still time. To recapitualte:

  • Yes, the bookclub started last week with @anna89's article, which covered the first two chapters;
  • Today, my article covers the next 3 chapters and anyone can comment and share his/her thoughts:)
  • For next week, I am waiting for someone to volunteer to write about the chapters 6 and 7...


  • Here is the latest feedback about the "rules":
    https://steemit.com/steemitbookclub/@herverisson/steemit-bookclub-launch-countdown-d-10
    :)

    and what if several persons will take the same chapters?)

    It's on a voluntary basis: the first person who wants to write the next article says it and will do it :) So, if you really want to talk about one chapter in particular, better say it now :)

    by the way, the latest Russian movie Idiot was just brilliant
    the main actor was chosen perfectly!
    he is a genius like the author of this book

    Oh great ! What's his name? :)

    Evgeniy Mironov
    A brilliant actor
    I don't know if there is an English variant of this very movie with him, I'd like you to watch-)

    Should not be too difficult to download online :)

    Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

    aw .. DOSTOYEVSKI .. I read a book and choose a character myself. it influences me with the psychological analyzes you do. the man who will tell me about me most of the time. . It seems to me the greatest genius of the 19th century.excellent book review. :) I love it. congratulations

    Hope i gave you envy to read the book :)

    Wow i am impressed from your post! You spent a lot of time again for us...thank you!

    haha yeah, I managed to find a couple of hours this week in my hotel room in Wroclaw to jot down some thoughts and put them into shape. I literally arrived at home 1h30 ago and wanted to publish that asap ^^ Thanks @redqueen7!

    Welcome back....to your house i mean! Hehe

    Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

    i just follow and upvote to your post ,, so kindly follow me back and upvote at given link ,, then i will upvote to your five more posts

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    Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

    You gave us a really great overview of the chapters. I have to say that I enjoyed the most Chapter 5 because of the answers and the stories told by Myshkin.

    Of course Chapter 4, that is like a backstory, gives us a lot of info about Nastasia, but in Chapter 5 some views and experiences of Dostoyevsky's himself come into the surface.

    Also a memorable quote for me, regarding the story about the man sentenced to death, was the following: "The repugnance to what must ensue almost immediately, and the uncertainty, were dreadful, he said; but worst of all was the idea, β€˜What should I do if I were not to die now? What if I were to return to life again? What an eternity of days, and all mine! How I should grudge and count up every minute of it, so as to waste not a single instant!’ He said that this thought weighed so upon him and became such a terrible burden upon his brain that he could not bear it, and wished they would shoot him quickly and have done with it".

    Another one is the dialogue of Aglaya and Myshkin, when Aglaya states that "one cannot live and count each moment; say what you like, but one cannot. That is true, said the prince, I have thought so myself. And yet, why shouldn’t one do it?"

    Finally, I think that we haven't learned yet the advice Myshkin wants from the General, he tries like four times to ask him but never succeeds!

    You are right: obviously Dostoyevsky draws on his own experience in Siberia to speak about that death penalty subject and what goes through the mind of a man condemned to death... That makes the chapter stand out and become more serious than the other ones.

    And yes, i'm very curious too to know what it is that Myshkin wants to talk with the general!

    Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

    Makes me looking forward to what will happen next!!!!!

    Speaking of which... we need a new volunteer for next two chapters!

    i will be the volunteer, but don't know exactly when I will have time for this(
    if it's not limited in time, then I will be!)

    Ideally, the best is to publish an article every week... So if you can have it this weekend, like sunday, it would be perfect :) if it's too short, let's keep you for the next round (chapters 8 and 9)?

    Actually, you know what? forget my previous comment: take all the time you need and publish when you are ready :) It's not a race! And it will leave everybody time to catch up probably :-) Thank you @taliakerch!!!

    ok)) thank you! really have a wish to participate but now life is speedy) I will let you know when I am in))

    Take your time :-) Looking forward!

    Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

    Idiot - one of my favoutite book, I read it in original - masterpiece!

    Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

    I read the crime and punishment book. There is a very impressive language. I would like to read this book. Thank you for the information you provided.

    You are welcome! Find the book and take part in the boΒ‘okclub if you want :)

    Β  Β· Β 7 years agoΒ 

    With pleasure