I was listening on Saturday to the panel discussion organised by witness @aggroed on MSP Waves radio.
I can't recall whether it was @lukestokes, @timcliff or @blocktrades, but one of these top witnesses made the point that for steem to gain value it needs to have more outlets and more uses.
In short we need businesses to start accepting steem as payment for goods and services.
Of the crypto-currencies the default that businesses accept, if any, is bitcoin.
In business terms bitcoin is not ideal - it is volatile, it has increasinly high fees and its blockchain is slow.
Steem scores better on all these points.
Witness @LukeStokes touches on these issues in his recent post :
I explored the limited range of commercial outlets where steem is already taken as payment in this recent post :
Few businesses as yet accept steem as payment because they perceive there is little demand.
There is limited demand for steem in part because few businesses take payments in steem.
Progress might come organically in time. But that timescale might be too slow to give steem the stimulus it needs right now to kick it into the big time.
In such Catch 22 scenarios what might be needed is a poke in the commercial eye with a sharp stick.
That stick might lie within our our ranks.
Amongst the 40,000 or so steemians on regular active duty I wonder how many business owners, or even 'business influencers', there are.
Maybe 1000, perhaps 2000.
What would happen if all of those businesses around the world started advertising that they are now accepting steem as payment for their goods and services?
In the short term little would change. Most businesses would find few customers wanting to pay in steem.
That is where a beautiful synergy amongst the steemit community would need to emerge.
If the business owners are willing to take the step to accept steem, then the wider community, as potential customers, should seek out and support those businesses by doing business (in steem) with them.
There would be some hurdles to be overcome. More development in steem based payment apps might be needed but if the market demand grows then the devs will surely follow.
In accounting and regulatory terms it would still be uncharted territory in most countries. I have yet to talk with my accountant about this but I am guessing steem payments would be treated in the same way as our euro payments. They are entered into our accounting records with the pound sterling equivalent value at the point of conversion by our bank.
If a business decides to maintain the incoming funds in a separate steem account and then to make purchases with steem funds that might complicate the accounting a little. None of these issues though are insurmountable.
This post is just a small opening speech in a much larger dialogue that needs to be played out on this topic.
Right here, right now I am opening the declarations of intent.
As a business owner I am willing for my company to take steem as full payment for our web development services.
Are there any other business owners out there willing to join me?
To join me in the vanguard of the SteemCommerce movement.
You might also be interested in some of my other posts :
A Dollar A Day : crikey, an 1100% increase in a month - is my maths right?
I Believe in Steem - Five things I can do to help steemit grow
[FICTION CONTEST] Christmas Day in 2050 - write a diary entry - 20 SBD to be won
SteemRadio - schedule of all the steemit radio shows - what, when, where
Improving Retention on steemit - Exploring ideas for a Mentoring System
Steemit coming alive in Wales - meetup planning underway - 100% growth target...
Where in the world can I spend my steem? Real World Outlets that accept Steem / SBD
We've made it - 6 months self sufficient in vegetables - what target for next year?
Homesteaders & Preppers on steemit - smashing through the 250 mark - v10 [22 Nov '17]
SteemTowns - connecting the virtual with the reality - would it be possible?
[steem accepted here graphic by @pennsif // bitcoin accepted here graphic - bitcoin.wiki ]
STEEM's speed and zero fees give it a big advantage over credit cards and most other cryptos so in my opinion it would be one of the best ones to use in commerce
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I agree.
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We just launched on Steemit this week! We are an eCommerce business that has sold over 500 000 products through Amazon and Groupon and are excited to join Steemit!
We couldnt agreee more that Steemit needs more busniness to join in! As such we came up with a concept in #shop which can be explained in our post: Introducing the #shop to Steemit! A Way To Onboard Millions! Click Here to read!
We would love to hear feedback from the Steemit community as there are so many bright minds on the platform. If you have any ideas/thoughts or even criticisms please let us know! We are looking forward to building a relationship with this awesome Steemit community and can't wait to hear back from you guys:-)!
If you are interested more in who we are see out offical about us post here
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I was just having a similar conversation with phelimint - and the answer is yes! I accept STEEM for purchase of my book Cost Benefit Jr. on Peerhub (it's a homeschool economics curriculum) and am looking for some new venues/markets to sell my book for STEEM! Will be checking out your and Luke's posts on this...
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That's excellent. Do you have a direct link for anyone wanting to purchase your book?
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Well.... sort of. But my Peerhub profile says my one book offered has been sold. And I can't seem to figure out how to tell Peerhub I have more copies to sell. However, I'm about to launch a contest for 5 free copies, so I'd recommend waiting for that rather than purchasing right now anyway.
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I own a motorcycle repair shop. Blue Collar Bike Werks. Most of my advertising is word of mouth but I do have a decent social media presence.
My "product" is mostly service work. Labor and some parts that I do not want to ship. (I do have tshirts that I could ship.)
Most of my customers (bikers) have zero knowledge of crypto currencies and of those that do all they know is bitcoin.
I use the Square reader in my shop and for that convenience I pay 2.75% Which sucks.
I would absolutely accept STEEM if anyone even knew what it was. And have toyed with the idea of accepting bitcoin. The fees right now are too high. I was thinking of putting in a Litecoin ATM in my office. My small town in Texas isn't hip to crypto currency yet. If they are aware of it at all its hostility toward the "bitcoin bubble"
But as a business owner a blockchain solution like STEEM is very attractive with the almost instantaneous transfer and the ZERO fees. In the states crypto is treated like capital gains. So there would be some accounting adjustments. But the benefits would outweigh any drawbacks that I can foresee.
Great post and this idea needs to be developed further.
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That is good stuff. Would you be willing to take payment in steem for your repair work?
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To a point yes absolutely. Unfortunately I still need fiat to operate. But STEEM is way less volatile than bitcoin and the zero transaction fees and instant send are huge pluses.
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Wow man, Great minds think alike I post about the same thing here yesterday and Phelimint.com has also made a commitment to accept steem for Silver, check it out and spread the word. I do really like we need a place to list all these stores and services that are accepting steem.
https://steemit.com/steem/@phelimint/calling-all-e-commerce-store-owners-and-entrepreneurs-to-start-accepting-steem
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I'm sure they will accept Steem for purchases, but who in their right mind want to part with his/her precious Steem?
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It’s difficult to figure out pricing with an unstable currency. Would the price be negotiated based on fiat value at time of transfer? I think SBD was supposed to solve that problem until it shot up 10 fold. If SBD were actually pegged to the dollar, it would make it really easy to accept as payment.
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For now, I am doing $1 = SBD 1
Once we figure out a new way I will adapt. In the meantime, anyone willing to pay for my work in SBD gets a sale :)
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I would love to accept Steem, but my business is service oriented in the forest industry with clients like weyerhaeuser. They ain't gonna do it.
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Thank you for Using #promo-steem tag, Promote steemit by inviting your friends and your family!
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sure, we’ll accept Steem at Paleo Treats. :)
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I am thinking to start I will run all sales through Etsy, so the $value will be included in my taxes, as well as state taxes when applicable. For now, if people want to pay with steem, then they can simply pay me (I don't have enough steem for it to matter much. I will ask customers to use the Etsy order number as the memo, so if I were to be audited I could show and match sales to memos.
However, if more and more people start paying with steem, I would open a second steemit profile, just for shop stuff. Only creating posts that show new items, and having all payments go through that wallet. This way I can accurately account shop stuff vs personal.
HOW the taxes are calculated in Steem is another matter entirely. That part I don't know, but @lexiconical and @rok-sivante have been talking about it here
https://steemit.com/taxes/@lexiconical/valuing-steem-rewards-as-taxable-income-is-a-vast-overstatement-of-tax-liability-part-1
https://steemit.com/steem/@rok-sivante/brainstorm-session-how-to-determine-capital-gains-losses-on-steem-rewards
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I have a friend who is a CPA in Boston, I am thinking of asking him to join steemit so he can maybe help iron out the tax details...
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Yes, @pennsif. Paying for business transactions with steem is the great revolution we need for the steem ecosystem. In Nigeria here we have started shopping mall where we accept steem/sbd as payment. You can see Here. The challenges are there, but the future is big. We are currently looking for more partners. Glad to know you have similar interest.
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I help out a friend who runs an online shop selling coffee beans, instant coffee, tea etc. The store is run on Shopify but i saw a post recently about how Steem could be incorporated on it.
He was pretty interested about accepting steem, the only problem is he hasn't found a decent international shipping provider that has pricing that makes sense.
The site is coffeeparade.com if anyone's interested. Hope to add it to the list :)
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I am totally onboard with that... in fact, one of my eternal "quests" here is to plug the idea that we need to grow a Steem-based economy as part of growing Steemit AND the Steem currency in the long run.
There are several initiatives here already to do commerce internally... @steemshop, @steembay and @peerhub... but they are not really thriving yet.
Getting Steem/SBD used externally in Brick-and-mortar situations would also require (or certainly be helped by) an easier onboarding for Steemit... or perhaps a way for people to have a Steem wallet without necessarily being a content creator here... I know you can have one on exchanges, but that's hardly the most secure way to handle that.
Anyway, we have a small gallery/gift shop here in our town ( @reddragonfly ), and I plan to have both a "Steem accepted here" and a "Bitcoin accepted here" sticker on the door before year's end.
edited to add: I know @airmatti takes Steem/SBD in their Etsy shop.
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You're so right about it being a catch 22, I haven't heard of anyone here accepting steem. There must be some that accept bitcoin, but I've never actually heard of it either. For people here, the fees concerned with accepting and converting steem or any other crypto for that matter might be prohibitive right now, but maybe some brave souls could start and then the fees might quickly be lowered.
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Hey @pennsif, here is a transcript.
https://steemit.com/steempanel/@globocop/crypto-growth-forum-part-1-2-transcript
Your post is also referenced :)
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I am a business owner in the travel business running AmsterdamEscape www.amsterdamecape.com and I am in the process of accepting Crypto as payment and we would love to add Steem.
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@pennsif, I am a business owner in Canada and I do accept Steem for the exchange of my products. I posted my products on Steem that giving it a try. I spoke to my business partner and he agreed that it was a good move. I also accept LTC. The problem with my business model is that our Canadian shipping is destroying business. A small 1/2 pound parcel sent 2 hour drive down the road that is less than 10 inches long and less than 8 inches wide, costs almost $22 dollars to send, so shipping kills business in Canada. You truly have to be selling volume, and do a drop ship or a fullfillment type model to make National or International shipping work, sadly. Our government has the corner on our postal aside from Purolator or Fed ex, which charge even more. So no win for us. We sell locally and do well. Thanks
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I'm with you on these complaints about shipping, it really hinders our online sales so much. Heck it's even cheaper for Canadians to buy from US companies and have coins shipped than it is for us to ship to them.
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I have a small company making illustrations, graphics art etc. and I would accept Steem as payment. Actually I plan to make some woodcuts or screenprint and try to sell them here for Steem, Steem dollar or Steempower. I have been a bit busy lately so I haven't got as far yet, but it will come probably next year.
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@phelimint accepts it now, directly; which will come in very handy when he issues the 2018 silver coins :)
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Thanks man, for the shout out, hopefully we can start something.
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That is the only way steam will hold its value. It needs to be accepted for exchange of goods and services. I accept steem/bitcoin/bitcoin cash in exchange for any of our farm produced goods. Even if no one takes me up on the offer locally, at least it is an effort to get the word out and increase visibility of crypto.
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Really great work. It's fun to see it in action so quickly as I know you've been working on this for a little while. Great stuff.
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