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There is a core group on Steem who are in the quest for "quality content". This includes the development team at Steemit Inc.

There was a proposal put out this week that included a couple ways for the community to deal with this quest. The first dealt with changing the reward pool and the second with adding a downvote pool. It appears many of the Witnesses are on board with this.

I must state that Steemit Inc, in addition to being the blockchain developers, are owners of Steemit.com, a blogging interface. I wrote an article some time back questioning whether there was a conflict of interest. Here is another step that only makes me question it more.

Before getting into that, let us take a look at the proposal briefly.

The change in the reward pool will go from 75/25 to 50/50. Many feel this will stimulate manual curation. The question is will it? Can any of the Witnesses say this will result in smaller accounts making more STEEM?

Or will this, instead, provide those with large stakes simply more money? Most of the Whales are not participating in content creation, usually delegating their SP out for a return. Hence, this move is simply going to increase their return.

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After Hard Fork 20, when we saw the Witnesses just embrace what Steemit Inc said, we now have a proposal put out and majority of the Witesses appear in the "Yes" camp from the start.

Adding a downvote pool is meant to incentivize people to go after abuse on the site. The feeling is that the reason people are no downvoting more (flagging) is because it costs them.

In my time on here, I saw two major flag wars that got pretty nasty. Not, according to the proposal, you are going to give these people 25% more ammunition. Yet this is whole-heartedly looked as a good thing.

One of the promises of this is that the downvoting will alter the behavior of the offending party. I will start that one of the main culprits in one of the "wars" is still posting 10 times a day and "circle" voting. Perhaps this is an outlier or maybe it simply is human behavior.

Changes to the base layer should be made only after great thought and very slowly. The attitude "hey let's try it and if it doesn't work, we can change it back" is not acceptable. You do not go around changing the economic basis willy nilly.

Nevertheless, this is missing the entire point. The reason people are jumping on board is because the retention rate of Steem is low and the token price is in the toilet. The challenge is that nobody can be sure that the lack of downvotes or the lower curation amount is the cause.

But again, that isn't even the biggest part of the issue. The fact is that people might be focused upon the wrong thing.

Quite simply the Steem blockchain offers two things: it is fast AND free. This is something that separates it from most of the other decentralized blockchains. They are either slow (BTC/ETC) or have costs for transactions (EOS). This is very appealing to developers (and ultimately users).

Steem started as a blogging platform. That is fine. The challenge is that it is moving away from that. Steemit.com was the first application on here and the landing platform even today. It is not, however the only one. We now see gaming, proof of activity, and a host of other ideas starting to emerge. We even saw the first defector from Ethereum join Steem two weeks ago.

Yet many are holding onto the idea of "quality content" like it is going to be the epicenter of this blockchain. If that is the case, accept the position of low token price and being a small potato.

The reason I say this is for two reasons:

A) Most of the Internet is not quality content.
B) The highest valued company are not quality content providers.

How much is Medium worth? How often do you hear Google's blogging platform mentioned as contributing significantly to the overall numbers? Hell, a quick search reveals the worth of the major news entities (yes a stretch to quality content but anyway) is worth $10B-$12B.

A non-quality content providers?

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$13.8 billion after a very rough week in the markets.

Catering to lovers of the 1987 family of Cabbage Patch dolls might find a loyal following yet will not make one a billionaire. I would guess that is a rather enthusiastic market while being very small in size. Targeting that could make one a big fish but it is still a tiny pond.

Are Steemians looking at this in a similar manner? In a quest to protect the "quality content", we miss the entire move. With a quality blockchain, the sights can be set a lot higher. We all know Facebook is a forum of surveillance and censorship. It is also very valuable while attracting hundred of millions of people (maybe billions but with their reporting, who knows).

Of course, this brings us back to Steemit Inc. When I posted the article questioning whether there was a conflict of interest, the major of responses appeared to be that Steemit would do what is best for STEEM since they are the largest holder.

Is that really true? Witnesses better be damn sure of that.

Steemit.com is a blogging platform. They are now using it to fund their operations. The start of the advertising is only going to be taken to higher levels in their efforts to generate revenues. Hence, they need their numbers to improve. They already showed how they cannot use the tokens fund their operations.

The Economic Proposal came from Steemit Inc. That is where it originated. Do you think they really care about other developers on here? When it comes to the survival of their company through the generation of revenues or the advancement of some other project team, where do you think their loyalty lies?

I think the answer is pretty clear.

Would Steemit Inc like other entities on here helping to advance the usage of the blockchain? Of course they would. But that is secondary to their vital advertising dollars. Thus, they need to keep Steemit.com relevant as the premiere blogging platform. This is where their present business model resides.

We never know how things work out before we do them. However, we must do all to ensure that we are not having a "New Coke" moment. Without being even remotely sure what the problem is, how can we address it? People seem to think the retention rate on Steem is so poor yet I guarantee you most cannot tell you what the average retention rate is for applications on the Internet. How do we know how bad we are if we do not know what the average is?

I stated repeatedly that Steem token distribution is in line with many of the other major chains. And the thing is we are seeing an improvement. Certainly, there is a chance that changing the curation reward rate could accelerate the evening out of this but there is nothing that says it will stall it. My intuition is that larger accounts will benefit. In fact, the hated bot owners will most likely only see their holdings grow too since they are getting a bigger chunk of the pie. These individuals are smart enough to figure out ways to maximize their return no matter what you do to the system.

It is interesting that this proposal comes out before SMTs, something long promised by Steemit Inc, are introduced or the topic of the onboarding issue is even discussed. There could be a economic problem that needs addressing yet when you cannot sign people up in a timely manner, I think something is being missed.

What are your thoughts?


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All I have to say is that I continue reading your content and I agree with you a lot and really enjoy your posts in our Social Media Platform. I agree with you on this and I feel the real changes need to be made up top. For one, I think that since we have five levels of investors/users, that we should have 20 Witnesses from each category working for Steem/Steemit only. Not Witnesses up at the top getting paid to do all of their own projects. Also if your account is a Dapp, that account Cannot be a Witness because your interests first, is not Steem, its your business/Dapp. Second we should not even have a downvote button. You would have my vote for Witness. Thanks for the good read.......

Also I believe if we are going to have a downvote button, we should also have a Witness downvote button because I don't agree with others votes on Witnesses........

I don't understand the company's movements, especially the last changes to steemit.com, first the change in the wallet issue, increasing the complexity of the use of our accounts wasn't the right choice imo.

Now this change that tries to encourage flagging the bad content, I agree in the need of flagging the bad content but imo this won't help that, first because anybody that has some experience here knows that flagging some users is risky. There are a lot of alt accounts that you don't know who are belong to, so you can enter in a flag war with someone much bigger than you.

And second because if that happens, there isn't any judge or entity that can solve these flag wars, so you're alone in them with the exception of the friends you can have here.

Flagging is very risky to small users, so the only ones that are allowed to do that with impunity are the whales or orcas.

Congratulations on an excellent win, best of luck in the rest of the tournament.

Ty @mattclarke, I hadn't many luck, went out in the next round against, @deathcloud. Sorry for defeating you for nothing. :/

I can say there is a logical reason for the splitting in the wallet.

When the wallet is tied into the rest of the code, the security level necessary is much higher. Hence, updates were slow because you cannot make a change and expose the tokens. By splitting it, the level of security for the "social media" aspect is a lot lower. Implementing new features will not affect the integrity of the wallets since they are completely separate.

You bring up a valid point about the retaliation aspect of the flagging. So will more smaller accounts be involved at all since the potential still exists.

The retaliation issue can only be solved with anonymous downvoting. This could be accomplished today with a community run bot that processes encrypted memos with links to content that should be considered for downvoting.

That looks like a very good idea if someone controls that the downvote matches the requirements of the community... for spam, plagiarism, hate speech etc...

Anonymous downvoting could have some drawbacks without that control.

I did wonder about the return to the argument about quality content and whether we are missing the point by focusing on what is here now (and not even all of that), rather than the potential of the blockchain. The people that I am working with and encouraging to invest will not be interested or attracted by 50/50 curation rewards: on the contrary they are likely to be put off.
We're working on how the blockchain can be used to:

  • raise funds for charities and increase the contact and accountability between donor and recipient, so that donors will be able to see exactly what impact they are having.
  • distribute funds, quickly and at low cost, with built-in transparency and accountability. This has countless applications for business and commerce as well as charities and public institutions.

Can we get over this inward-looking shortsighted perspective and start focusing on the new affordances the blockchain offers? It's more than de-centralised social media.
Getting a potential 25% return is an interesting concept to potential investors/donors, but more than that begins to defeat the object of what they are trying to do, whether it is donating or distributing funds.

But leaving aside all that, fannying about with reward percentages is not going to make a blind bit of difference to any of the perceived problems.

I agree 100%.

For the few that have read the whitepaper, the blogging platform was just one way to increase adoption of the STEEM cryptocurrency.

The point of the whole thing is to get people to use STEEM, not steemit (or busy or steempeak or whatever). The fact that text is embedded in the blocks makes blogging an obvious use case, but we have seen that it is far from the only one.

I have a question... And.. it is based off of the @tipu post I wrote yesterday, where I made an error in my calculations in my excitement hahaha

Two people commented on my post pointing it out (one of which was @cardboard) and now I'm reading your post and scratching my head....

I had stated that after promoting my content with a tipu vote... I was receiving 7 more steem back in value...which was incredible!

This is true! But... I forgot about curation rewards cut. So after that was taken into account, only 0.58 steem (or so) was actually profit.

It is STILL beneficial over time! However.....

If the rewards change 75/25 to 50/50... Who would ever use a bot???

The cost of promoting your post through a voting bot would NEVER benefit you. So the voting bots would die Immediately.

(Right? Or am I missing something again in my haste!)

Is it possible that they're attempting to kill voting bot activity?

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There are a few presumptions you are making.

The first is that people use bidbots for the direct return i.e. X% on X STEEM. While this is often a reason, many use it for increased exposure. This helps them to get more followers which helps to increase their future returns.

The second is that presumption that bit bot owners are going to keep things as they are. I feel they will adjust their algorithms and added other layers that will keep then process enticing. With the increase in curation rewards, they simply could give part of that back to the users.

So if the goal is to make the use of them less attractive, I have a feeling that will not occur. They will adjust their business model to remain relevant.

Well that would be great!!!

And i use bidbits for both reasons.. promoting and profit! :)

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The voting bots will not essentially die if they increase the ROI. If they give a vote that accounts for 50% curation it will still be profitable.

The real question, Why are we now after 2 years of bitching about flagging and downvotes is something now being worked on for it? Instead freakin spend that time and resources on the SMT that where promised a year ago!

The actions of this company just floor me ALL the time its bad decision after bad decision.

Totally agree!

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When I first arrive on Steem, I too was very stuck on the importance of quality content. Over time, after I realized Steem can be so much more, I begin to think that the quality of content doesn't matter much. Most content on established centralized platforms are garbage anyway and yet they still thrive.

We should really rethink what we want Steem to be. Is it merely a content platform? Or a versatile platform for all sorts of dApps?

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The thing is "quality" is almost entirely subjective. One man's garbage might be another's gold.

Indeed. Quality is subjective and most people don't really care about quality anyway. As seen from other social media platforms

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I couldn’t of said it any better like you did... 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

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Flag wars between the heavy hitters is only one side of the issue. The other is the numerous small operators bleeding the platform through self-upvoting plagiarized content and so on and so forth.

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For me, I will be better to get SMT live first before they proceed with another proposal. Plus they should look and consider the inflation rate. Perhaps, burn some token by sending to @null is a noble. Or lock some steemit Inc holding on escrow. Do what ripple did last few years. This probably bring more interested investors to the platform.

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I agree with you 100% and I often use the point of Medium. I believe that share2steem is a great dapp. Twitter and Instagram have trained people over the last several years how to consume and create content. For better or worse, that is how it is and bringing influencers over here and then convincing them to buy in and bring their millions of followers should be a marketing strategy.

Agree with your analysis 100 percent.

Oh quality content...

Most use that as a excuse to get you to do or "create" things they want you to...

Oh if your post isn't coded like mine it's not quality...

How about looking for human content? Original creators and players...

We all grow... But this abuse of "groups" like earthtribe and canna over control of others?... Yeah gets old and runs people and creators off.

We already have issues retaining people. Or the big one... Rewarding real people.

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What if am not content creator. Is there anything that platform offers to me? i can find something interesting to read, but i can do it on another platforms too. I can curate, but also i can just delegate to bots and just check it from time to time.

If am new user who don't create any content, it will probably take years from that 15sp to make some value.

At the end we have just content creators exchanging votes + bots.
No place for passive consumer of the content.

If the desire is to attract quality content creators to the blogging side of the platform, cutting their % of return lacks logic.

Not really caring about what the content is creates an environment where bots, especially bid-bots, don't really have to care where they sell their votes to while they get a larger portion of the rewards.

No one who is currently automating their voting will be switching to manually doing so when they can buy stake and run more curation bots for an even larger slice of the rewards. One of the larger stakeholders actually stated if it was changed to 50/50 that is exactly what he would do.

Interesting you mentioned Medium. Over there, readers get 3 free articles a month and then after that it costs them $5/mo ($50 per year) to read the articles. Those fees go toward paying the content creators with zero return to the reader.

Seems to me the 25% return here is more than they would get otherwise. Return that comes for the most part without even bothering to read the content.

In fact, the hated bot owners will most likely only see their holdings grow too since they are getting a bigger chunk of the pie.

How about a 500mv influence cap?
We could cap post rewards, per post, per day, and/or number of posts.
Stinc kicked out the blocks dan had on abuse, that is a fact.

Put me down as against the 50/50 for the reason you state.
Against the curve proposed because it only hurts the little guys and changes nothing of the real issue.
For the downvote pool, plenty of abuse is getting flagged now, and this change ups that.
Nothing, but an influence cap, will change what is holding us down.

What fool wants to give these fools more money?
Havent they ripped off enough from fleecing the koreans?

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