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in calibrae •  7 years ago  (edited)

I have realised through a new idea that I have, that there is no need to filter user signups, one way or another.

There is another, more difficult puzzle now to solve. How to stop an explosion of new accounts.

The simplest way is freemium method. Given enough time, a user can earn enough stake to lift the limits. The primary limit has to be they can't have stake delegated. In fact, this may really mean, that stake delegation should not exist.

I am thinking through this, and I will have a definitive answer in the next day. I will be posting as @calibrae about Calibrae from now on, and I will not be posting, or voting, as l0k1 or elfspice anymore.


Please click here to go to the new calls for expression of interest post, where you just vote to indicate interest.


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am announcing the Initial Public Offering for the Genesis Blocks of Calibrae. Comment in this thread to have your Steem Balance copied and converted to it's equivalent as JUICE and Stake on the new chain, which will be under your control, via your current password, when it goes live.

Make sure, if you comment and want to be added (and if you are a known preminer, or look like you might be, based on your balance, you will be deleted from the list) that you put aside your username and password as valid last night, somewhere safe, for when the network goes live.

Note that simply opting in by saying so in a comment here is no guarantee you get your account copied into the new chain.

Every opt-in account will be verified to make sure it cannot be easily connected to a preminer account. If you have a big balance, basically, you will be investigated.

If you want in, you can also help get the initial membership grow faster by resteeming this post


To explain how your initial balance will be calculated, it goes like this:

  1. All Steem tokens are based on a primary token called VESTS. Steem and SBD have a momentary exchange rate to VESTS, that can be determined based on the current state of Witness price feed configurations related to the current Steem exchange rate. This will be frozen as of some time last night, at the point my node has synced to. Later on, I will make this snapshot available along with the script I will be using to extract all the user logins and account balances, so anyone can also verify that the calculations are faithful and correct.

  2. All Steem in accounts that will go across to the new chain, will be converted to their underlying VESTS, at the block that this snapshot has encoded in it, and the new version of VESTS is called JUICE.

  3. All SBD in accounts that will go across to the new chain, will likewise be converted to their underlying VESTS, and this balance will be added to you account balance of Juice.

  4. All Steem Power in your account, will be also converted to its underlying VESTS balance, and this will become your Stake balance in the new system, and this balance you will be able to draw down by the new Stake withdrawal rule of 1% of remaining balance per day, paid out at the time you set the draw-down.

  5. To repeat, make sure you save your password that was current as of last night, as you will need this to access your new account, when it goes live.

  6. Your reputation score will also be migrated to the new chain, as will all other accessory data. Your original account signup date will also be added. (note that I will be merging my accounts l0k1 and elfspice together in their totals into a new account loki, and the largest reputation of the two will be my total, even though I have earned some amount more as elfspice). Note also that reputation scores, in Calibrae, will be scaled based on the highest reputation account, and their proportion of this will limit your stake in its voting power. If your reputation has been abused by preminer accounts, we can discuss resetting it to the default initial value, or what it was before the attack.

I have got a bit sick of the people who seem to think that it is a productive use of my time, to listen to nonsense about how we can "work within the system". If that was gonna work, don't you think after a year of people fighting this, that if that was an effective strategy, we'd still be here lamenting what an injustice this all is?

So, if you want in, make it known in the comments.


Your balance as at last night will be migrated to in the genesis blocks, and your login will be the same as it was last night.

I don't see any reason why to continue trying to fight against an incredibly corrupt, and corrupted system, nor, to have this system weakened by people who come in, at the beginning, with their asses spiked on the fence. You are in, or you are out.

We can at least then have better discussions without these wishy-washy people, about what we want to do.

I know there is gonna be more than enough people to run the network, as per the specs it runs with now, with the consensus rule changes I have proposed.

It does not matter if we are not legion. We just need to be tight, and strong. If we are right, then the people who come to sign up after we get this running, will be probably worth having onboard.

Why not an ICO?


Because until it's live, it would be illegal to do this without registering Calibrae Stake as a Security with the Securities Exchange Commission for users in the USA. I am not based in the USA and I do not represent any legal entity in the USA, and I am not going to put this into their juridiction. If someone else wants to do this, that's their business. Even if the ICO was primarily Juice tokens, to create the account, there has to be the minimum account fee, which creates a Security asset called Stake.

Because you will pay nothing but a little of your time and attention for your stake, it is not a true public offering of a security, and thus, it is none of the SEC's business. Only juice can be traded, and Stake is not being offered for sale, it can only be bought with juice. I believe, but I can't be certain, that means that it is not a security. Also, this may be the loophole that the preminers will get get out of jail free cards for. But the morality of their premine is highly questionable, even if it skirts the law. It makes me realise that probably there is no scope for SEC prosecution of Steemit, but I don't answer to human law, only the law of this universe, anyway.

So if I profit out of this project, I'm free and clear, because of the value I have provided in doing it, to those who participate.

Update

As at 21:37 Bulgarian summer time, August 7 2017, we have 73 :) All names in the list have been added to a spreadsheet and will be updated as more shows of interest are made, and this will continue until Day Zero.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QUC8GhJRsbkZzgfX2VNgfEiGS-LAFT14vu5UByQt9x4/edit?usp=sharing

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opt in......thank you.

@elfspice, I've sent you some Steem to help you build. If everything you do attempts to put the community first and communicate any difficulties you encounter, even if they are terminal, you will gain my trust for what it's worth. I agree that a forking was inevitable. Steemit.inc's comms and handling, the abuse of premine stake, the technical issues, the pace of development have created the perfect storm.

I intend to do a post to highlight your attempt and explain my position...I feel I owe it to my followers, the minnows and you.

I know it feels good to stick it to those that mocked and shunned you, I would feel the same. I sense in your updates that your jubilation is being tempered by the hard work you are doing and gravity of the situation...I'm grateful for that....it comes across better.

This is all about utility and trust....can we use it as we need to be able to? Can we trust it and the token?

Steemit.inc have squandered some of the trust...at this point, they've blown it for me. Whatever the cause, incompetence, greed, whatever, they had no competition to galvanise their approach, now they do. Clearly it remains to be seen if that will help Steem, I hope so.

However, some issues are so big, if you can make a stable alternative, I think there is a chance calibrae could do very well. I think you understand very well that the value of a token is in the distribution. So I wanted to clarify the ipo....is it only those who comment here (other than premine) that will receive their stake at genesis? If so we need to makes sure as many people as possible have the opportunity to make that choice.

Best of luck with your work, I hope you are getting sincere offers to help. Later.

Count me in, but wasn't the idea actually opt in just anybody except pre-miners?

bleujay would like to opt in.

I am opting in! Here in Colombia we also take beautiful pictures of hummingburds if you ever run out!

Love to be there! I sent 7.530 STEEM for your project and I dare anyone else to do the same. That's right a little from us all will go along way.

Ah what the Hell, I don't got that long a lifespan anyway.

I can't write code, but I have about $25 loose SBD to donate if it's of any help.

Count me in.

Hey my friend - I'm definitely in!! You know that. tty soon.

@elfspice ¡¡Opting In of course!! :)

This Tucusito who comments here now, is gonna resteem this post right away to spread more awareness about this promising project all over around. And hopefully, invite and also recruit a good army of new species of clever Hummingbirds & Chrysolampis Mosquitus to suck & taste the sweetest VESTS nectars of Steem JUICE.

And btw, regarding the depiction of the Meme in your post above, certainly you are not the only one nor you are alone on this fair crusade mate.

So, add me to your early script and Let's...

Count me in.

Count me in.

I'm a curious chap, can I be counted?

I opt in. Cheers!

What would you advice someone new'ish who is still a Red Fish repairing damage done to Reputation pre-reading the "White Papers"?
As well, the account set-up here for my wife is over 3 weeks waiting (b.s. auto-response from support@steemit, and still no info after contacting timcliff a week ago). New account set-ups will be available when the site goes live, or is only being offered to initial existing steemit accounts?

anon.steem.network has accounts for .007btc.

Yes. I have been debating using said service for the Miss'us. From what I've seen an account can be purchased for like 10 STEEM. Yet I have been posting 100% Power Up lately (most everything of what little I have is vested in SP), and I must admit I am a bit curious to participate in a "steemit" break-away (hoping for a better experience).
Time will tell. Circumstances seem to be what will dictate whether I migrate or not.
Mucho appreciation for all your support @freebornangel. For now I'm still around. Yet if Calibrae seems to have better control over abuse and a more level field for all players involved I will find it hard to resist.

Maybe the threat of competition will sharpen stinc's customer service chops,...

I'm opting in. Out of pure curiosity. I'm a newbie, a noob, a minnow without much coding skills. But I've seen enough on this platform to make me doubt the direction it's taking. I applaud the efforts for a fresh perspective, but to be honest I've got also some doubts on the Calibrae project.

  1. Will you have enough lasting resources with your team to keep up the necessary efforts required for a smooth and fast flow of transactions on the blockchain, and the flow of the blog interface?
  2. Won't the principles on which you build Calibrae be exactly the same? Isn't it prone to fall into similar pitfalls?

From my point of view Steemit isn't a finished product. Looking at the top left of my screen, there's a constant reminder that this is still BETA. I think features and improvements will be rolled out in the future. Probably the rewarding system itself is also still under construction. We already see that discontent over it's current state of affairs leads to disappointment and ultimately abandonment.
What do you think your chances are at creating a better, more balanced, more encouraging, more rewarding experience for everybody to end up with a platform that ultimately brings Internet's finest content?

I really believe it's the quality of the content in the posts by the members and how that's rewarded that will prove to be the ultimate deciding factor for becoming a leading platform. The concept of a blog post site on a blockchain, rewarded via a crypto-currency token system is a true gem in my opinion. It was only a matter of time until this brilliant idea lands on multiple new initiatives.

Don't want to sound to negative here. But just please be 100% sure about your base principles, about your vision, about your abilities and about human nature in general. If you are going to do it, do it right. And for what it's worth, as a minor minnow, you have my respect for embarking on this adventure.

Optin. Thank you! Looking forward to seeing more!

I'm very intrigued, so count me in!

I am opting in as well, I think but I would like a clearer definition of what that means. I don't want to leave my steemit account at this point, or power down everything. I want to support people on this platform still, and I have vote support here. I will use my little influence to support Calibrae though, which I am already doing by informing people, and resteeming.
I will be active on Calibrae once it's up, and invite people over.
I don't think that qualifies as sitting on the fence. Or what do you think?

Count me in

@elfspice I took a lil' while to catch up to the posts and threads prior to this.
YES, please accept my request to subscribe to Calibrae 👍

I'm upvoting and resteeming this - Cheers!

Count me in.

Opt in I guess. I'll give it a try. When will it be online?

count me in.
seems like the only way to get anywhere on Steemit is to lick some megawhale ass which I'll pass on.
is the snapshot already taken definitive? some of my buy orders on polo just triggered, I'll only bring the steem over if there's another Calibrae snapshot. if not I might just resell them.

Copy me over please.

Your project sounds interesting. I am really new to steemit, and had a couple questions before I decide what to do.

  1. My steem account is not worth much since I am new, but if I opt in, will my assets be split in half, divided between the new platform and the old one?

  2. How will the new platform know what my password from the old platform is? Are the passwords secure?

  3. What is a "preminer" and how to do you know if you are one?

Sorry for the newbie questions and thanks for your time.

I opt in.

count me in if i'm not too late ;) p.s. love your handle 'loki'

This sounds very intersting. Was led here by @drpuffnstuff. Count me in!

Count me in.

Opting in.

I opt in.

No idea if this is still what you're doing or if there is another way to get into calibrae, but count me in.

Opting in.

I'm in.

Add me please. I was hoping to get my 2 adult children to open an account (in fact I was just about to e-mail them about it) before you had your site ready, but I guess I'm too late... you are moving real fast with this. Now I don't know what I should tell them.

Ok count me in, thanks!

opt in.

I want tobopt in

Me and @freebornsociety want in,....

Count me in

bilbop opts in.

Go on then, put me on the list ;-).

I'd like to opt in, please.

I'll take it!

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Yup, migration is nice. Two chains is better than one chain.

I also talked with my friends and they said I should ask you to include accounts of our projects, that is @rusteemitblog and @blockchained, one of good things that we can bring is an eventual gateway to Bitshares DEX.

I will finish reading, probably reread and contact you. But I'm mostly in, I just want to know the details of the changes, I have no questions at the moment, because you might have already answered them.

If I'm eligible, count me in - I'm keen to see where this project goes.

Opt in

I'm in if you let me. I said that you are boring and lazy but what you are doing is very exciting and not lazy at all. I didn't know about calibrae and judged you from your appearance and view about what I do and your drinking and that you didn't support my work and said that I would pester the people. I think you know that I am busy and am doing this to help everyone on the planet to have enough money to survive and not be poor. I do not get enough support on steemit and am fed up with the ignorance of the rich on steemit.

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Intrigued, by this Project. As long as it doesn't affect my Steemit account count me in.

I am in, interested to see how this progresses!

Интересно,интересно..)

Does it in anyway affect our current account on Steemit? Sorry not a tech guy..

Sorry man but I did not understand a single thing from this, explain like kid please

i had to go through the comments to understand some more. although i'm optimistic of steemit's future, i'm curious to know about your project.
count me in!

count me in

I'm in. My name is @arthestically

change is good. I'm all for it. I'm curious what kind of change this will bring to steemit as well.

All in.

Opt in please. Thanks!

I'm in @elfspice

Please count me in

Opt me in

I'm in :)

Count me in, thanks.

I'm in. Let's do this!

Opt me in.

I know nothing about the technical end of things... not a developer; I'm a writer and content creator only, but always interested in pursuing potential new platforms for what I'm doing.

I am in!

Count me in.

Your logical reasoning in your arguments along with the bloat of the blockchain is my reasoning :)

Hope you can get it all fixed up!

Please opt me in.

I'm feeling froggy, so I'm jumping in!

upvoted, resteemed, etc., etc.

I would like to opt in if its not too late, and your talking about our steemit password is what we will need to get on the new chain?

opt in please?

Im in @mrlibert

count me in :) @feedroh

Interesting to see what comes of it, may help both platforms. In.

Till when we will be able to opt-in? Project looks very interesting. :)

Can we be at Calibrae and Steem isn't this just another opportunity to earn more and network with people?

I opt in. Interested to see where it goes.

Please count me in 🙂

Please include my profile. I'm in.

I would like to opt in please

This sounds interesting, I am up for it.

I'd like to be in.

You are not very clear with these new thing u are doing, or new coin, i cant tell if i want in or will be accepted in, u still remember me right?

they are talking about copying a block like bitcoin did. So you would have all your SP here but you would have new SP on a new blockchain. like when the bitcoin split, you still got you bitcoin, but you also got bitcoin cash. This would work the same. And I hope they accept you, you have became a much better member of the community! I vote for them to let you opt in if you feel like, I dont see any reason they could deny you. You didn't premine so you should be all good

I would like to opt in please. Thank you.

Okay, that would be the greatest thing. When can it happen?

The current timeframe is sitting around 4-8 weeks depending on how much coding help is provided.

What can one to to heighten the chances of being selected. I would love to be a pioneer that gets to help others and make an impact on a new platform

There is no selection. Just say that you want to be in the new platform and you'll be added.

Cool, done that. Are you part of that project?

As one of those "preminers" who has been supporting Steem since its infancy, I certainly agree that some large holders have abused their stake. I've not seen evidence that most have done so, and I'm patiently optimistic that those who are abusive will be dealt with increasingly effectively as development progresses and the community grows. It's well known that such abuses are detrimental to the long term value of the platform, and I strongly doubt that stakeholders too ignorant and shortsighted to recognize that reality hold a controlling percentage.

I wish you the best in your efforts (and respectfully opt out), but I don't think your generalized hostility is doing you any favors.

Troglodactyl is the single best username I've ever seen.

I would like to opt in. Thanks!

I would like to be added. Thank you!

I know you're very busy but just wondering in you have a minute to give a brief explanation of how the same password will work on your new site? I know passwords aren't stored in clear text on some database, so I guess there is some sort of public/private key setup and whatever you are forking over has the public information that can be combined with our private password we enter when we sign in, to verify that it is indeed us signing in. Thanks!

I would like to confirm I am opting in. Thank you.

Count me in! Wow man you're doing a lot of work. Keep it up

Opt-in

➫ I would like to opt in: @SoundDrGenie

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I'm relatively new to Steem and I don't know about
all the issues with the platform are but your offer sounds
appealing & refreshing nonetheless. I just followed,
upvoted and resteem your post 😉 count me in

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I would love to be part of this. Thank you!

I'm in. I really want Steemit to succeed, but the open source philosophy encourages forks. Social sites are different to general applications as the users are as important as the technology. Building a buzz and a brand is not so simple, but I wish you all the best with this

That's an easy decision.
Fork me sideways, Loki.

I'm curious.
I'm in.