The latest news from the Spanish government is that they will arrest Catalan President Carles Puigdemont "immediately" if he declares independence in the regional parliament.
I would expect that he is guarded well by the Catalan people. They should just line up around the parliament and we might get a situation like what happened in Tiananmen Square in China.
You can read the whole story over at Zerohedge:
This guy does not represent freedom, his allies are the CUP (marxist like the venezuelan and cuban governments) and ERC (also a marxist party). If they win they will institute a bolivarian republic.
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I know they are leftists, but to me, EU and the Euro must fail, and therefore we should encourage this move, if EU fails, there arent gonna be any successful marxist movements after that, believe me
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Same sentiment here. A small socialist state can royally screw themselves up. A larger entity like EU or USSA has lot more gas. We have nothing to fear about a socialist government. All we have to fear is how much gas they have to keep going. When countries separate on unfriendly terms, they don't get together for a while. That's less support for socialism.
Supporting the Catalans is the most pragmatic anti-socialist thing to do. It's not ideal; but it's practical.
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You have nothing to fear if it is not Your government.... I wouldn't want to be there if they win.
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I see then you are seeking the worst it goes the better so that it can't last...
The bad thing is that if that kind of people get the power they are really hard to separate them from the government afterwards.
Venezuela is in a sorry state, and more than 60% of the people are against its government, but they are on the brink of being a dictatorship, and they are now in all but the name.
I don't wish that kind of rulers to anybody.
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Luckily USSA and EU is too busy with wars all over the world. The Catalans may not have to fear assassinations and large scale military action. But we have seen what they are willing to do. EU must be really pissed.
I am currently watching http://www.untoldhistory.com/ from the great award winng filmmaker Oliver Stone who did the movie on Snowden. It's a must watch. The documentary series will completely change the way you'd look at the world. The facts were seriously blow your minds.
Eg: The A-Bomb wasn't the primary reason the Japanese surrendered. It was the Russian support. USSA had already ruined ~100 cities. The only difference was a single bomb was used instead of thousands and that bomb was radioactive.
During the entire WWII USSA dropped so many bombs all over the globe it was only 1/3 of the amount that was dropped on Vietnam.
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The EU/Euro is only one crisis away from total collapse so they are not giving up easily. There are more independent movements in Europe and Italy might vote to leave. This is the beginning of the end. It could turn violent, lets hope not, but we should not undersestimate these figures.
I will try to check out untoldhistory.com. I have seen the Snowden movie and I thought it felt fairly accurate.
Aha, I have not heard that explanation about Russia, you mean that Russia stopped supporting Japan afterwards?
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Agreed on EU. Doug Casey has been screaming about the collapse of EU for pretty much a year. We are living in an omni-bubble. Everything might end up crashing one after another. Then it's Atlas Shrugged all over the west.
What actually happened with Japan is that Russians started an all out attack on the Japanese fronts in China and Korea.
Above is the cause Japan finally gave up. The Russians caused substantial military damaged opposed to the civilian damage done by the A-Bombs.
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The recklessness of politicians seems to have no limits, it is cooking something ugly there. Puigdemont started playing with fire, and now he is willing to burn a lot of people. They know that the proposal to make Catalunya independent under these conditions, which is not real, must be rethought, for something they are political, but what they should not do is to use the lives of their citizens to exert political pressure. In the end, if they continue along this path, they will only generate mistrust and weaken institutions.
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From Bloomberg, the source used by Zerohedge:
I don´t think that can be considered a reliable source. And none of the main local media are stating that.
Spain is much different than China. With freedom of press, human rights guarantees and the oversight of the European Union. The mobilize of national police in Catalonia is not that big, with 12 000 members in total compared to the 17 000 regional police. Military forces are not mobilized.
Documents confiscated by the police in the home of the vicepresident of Catalonia shows plans of inciting protests and revolts among the civilians in case the Spanish government does not allow independence.
https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/10/09/actualidad/1507569660_552707.html
Nationalism should not be repressed by force. But a referendum without guarantees and a 42% participation, after a political campaign full of lies (they said that international law supports that, they said that companies won´t leave Catalonia and they are already doing that...) cannot legitimize a declaration of independence.
Furthermore, some of the law changes made in Catalonia required the approval by at least 2/3 of the parliament majority according to their local regulations, and they approved them just with simple majority.
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