Once again the good people of Catalonia are struggling for our freedom.
Yours.
Mine.
What will you do to not fail them in their attempt to free us all from the cabals the rule us?
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How to win in court for far less.
You will never hear "I'm Sorry" anyway after being shot by that .357 Magnum gun LOL.
I think Spain is doing good as a government but Catalonia needs to assert it position or it won't splinter off as a separate nation which I think too as a hard venture to take.
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I think folks should be free to do as they please.
If the state can't find supporters it should die, rather than force it's self on others.
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I'm curious if someone (much smarter than I), can elaborate on the philosophical question, if a minority region such as Catalonia votes democratically for sovereignty but the Spanish states public do not agree with the independence then is it really democratic? Can there be a referendum without everyone actually voting... to me it sounds like one region decided to make this decision without the rest of the Spanish peoples vote?
Also i really dont mean offence to anyone, appologies if this comes off rude. I just really want to understand more of it.
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I don't know if I am smarter than you, but I'll put my reading list up against anyone's.
This boils down to is it ok to rule by force.
Some Catalonians say no, it is not ok to force me to do what you want me to do.
Other Catalonians embrace their slavery, as do most 'Spaniards'.
Hell, most of the world will tell you that there must be a boss.
I agree that leadership improves efficiencies, but bosses are, too often, not good examples to follow.
So, ultimately the question is whether every knee shall bow to Madrid, or can we have freedom?
The problem of the rule by forcers is that if they can escape enslavement in Catalonia we can have freedom anywhere in the world.
The beast/state needs to be fed, so war is what it will be.
If the rest of the world allows it the good people, the freedom lovers, will be genocided and their killers hailed as heroes.
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Thanks for the reply. I understand what your saying about ruling by force. But what i dont understand is how a small group can say they no longer want to be part of a whole. Its like they are saying to all the millions of non catalonian spanish, i know you guys want to stay united but its not working for us, so were leaving... Then when the spanish democracy says " well hold on, if you want to leave, we need the entire country to vote on it as it affects everyone, you cant just make this decision by yourself". Then catalonia is like "wow, i dont know why your so upset it is my decision... I do what i want".
So yeah that was my thoughts, but i am not from europe so struggle to understand geopolitical/historical/cultural sensativites from the region. It just seems like the whole world is putting up fences and saying they want to be alone... What happened to "we are strongest when united".
P.s. Sorry if my satircal tone sounded insincere, not intended that way.
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I don't think you do,...
How can I be part of a whole unless I consent to the arrangement?
You are presuming that the whole has a right to use violence to maintain it's control of the masses.
Catalonia just wants to be left to do their thing.
Evil wasn't resisted and now it is exposing it's self.
Until 'we' stop 'consenting' to be ruled by force this is what we get.
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I have been discussing the Catalan independence with my son @frobear , this has huge implications for the EU, NATO and the UN.
If Spain do not agree to the independence and use force to assert their sovereignty we may see a civil war in One of Europe’s most powerful states. How that plays out will not be good for anyone and will have massive impacts on the people, politics and economy of Europe.
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Rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.
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Bad played from both sides imo.
If rule by force is the disease, Catalonia independence is not the cure.
Just another state that would be indivisible as Spain is, with monopoly of force like all states.
Plus, only about half of the population want independence from Spain.
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Nice one!
Catalonian nationalism is as stupid as any other nationalism.
Catalonian nationalists have used violence against people who are against independence from Spain, not a good indication of things to come.
Anarchists organize on a local level, in the hoods and if they are for a Catalonian state it is only for tactical reasons, because they think it would be less powerful and easier to overcome than the Spanish state.
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Well, in their defense they would have prevailed absent hitler's bombers and the ignorance of the general population.
If I imprison you in my backyard are you gonna take it meekly, lying down?
Without change progress is impossible.
I'm tired of being the slave of some old dude in a suit, capisce?
When do the anarchists get a homeland?
Why do you presume to rule over land that is not yours?
Rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.
Keep working, stop paying.
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It may not cure it, but it sure acts as a tonic,...
So it is ok for 50% to force the other 50% to do as they are told?
What about me telling you what to do?
Is that ok?
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So it is ok for 50% to force the other 50% to do as they are told?
Of course not but you're proving my point.
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I'm gathering that your point might be that you get to tell me what to do, because reasons, but I don't get freedom unless you allow it.
I hope that is not the case.
If you want me to get your point you will have to better illustrate it to me.
You can quote in comments by using the > with no space in front of the text you want to quote.
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It's troubling to see how upset institutions can get when people wants express their opinion with a referendum. If Catalans want to be part of Spain or not it's up to them to decide
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Well, that is what I would call freedom.
Obviously the folks in Madrid got a different opinion.
They think ignorance is strength.
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You a spam bot, or what?
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Maybe flag?
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