Censorship on STEEMIT - Tron episode 1

ausbitbank (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

And this is why we don't want a centralized blockchain run by the CCP.
In those changes is a new blacklist functionality, that literally connects to a random box in China to get an EXTRA blacklist from

http://39.105.221.87:8081/steemit/blacklist

The blocklist ip sits in this network range :

inetnum:        39.96.0.0 - 39.108.255.255
netname:        ALISOFT
descr:          Aliyun Computing Co., LTD
descr:          5F, Builing D, the West Lake International Plaza of S&T
descr:          No.391 Wen'er Road, Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China, 310099
country:        CN

ALISOFT / ALIYUN = ALIBABA

This extra blacklist check means they don't even need to update condenser in the future, they can just push out new censorship mandates direct from China.

Thanks @justinsunsteemit for really proving our point, and giving #hive even more momentum and media attention!

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brianoflondon (71) · 5 years ago

NOTHING proves how correct we are to dump Justin and the virus spreading Chinese Communist Party and leave him to censor his own chain more than this.

I think the entire Steemit purchase could even be traced back to the CCP worrying about the future potential problem they will have trying to block arbitrary Steem now Hive front ends popping up and showing their oppressed and silenced people what is really going on in their country.

Annoymous Hive accounts should be promoted in all the significant Chinese languages and especially Mandarin, I'd really love to see a thriving underground Hive China movement.

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transcript-junky (63) · 5 years ago

So interesting. It's just a bit shocking when you finally come to the realization that it REALLY WAS an orchestrated takeover attempt by the CCP. When you see it clearly it becomes more disturbing. Well, I see TWO major positive lines growing out of this :

( 1 ) We now have a PERFECT "A/B' test (case study) situation by which to SHOW the larger public how CCP-centralized ( #Steemit ) versus decentralized ( #Hive ) are different, by showing ACTUAL instances of censorship. This can be used to our ADVANTAGE to bring in new members to Hive. Its like a blessing in disguise.

( 2 ) It is a perfect political weapon against the CCP, on a broader scale. We should be writing up articles and reaching out to the anti-CCP crowd to show them the EVIDENCE of what is going on here. This will help BOTH expand the reach of Hive, AND contribute to the wider resistance movement.

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flemingfarm (68) · 5 years ago

This needs to be spread everywhere. Coindesk and all other crypto media need to report this!

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eirik (69) · 5 years ago

lol.

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techcoderx (64) · 5 years ago (edited)

Now that link returns an empty data array. They are now hiding the blacklist somewhere else

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gringo211985 (60) · 5 years ago

Hi @ausbitbank I had an idea to basically move all the SEO and content from steemit to hive, it would require us all manually doing it unless someone could create a tool, but please check out my idea at https://steemit.com/hive/@gringo211985/seo-solution-for-hive-io-let-s-take-our-content-with-us

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joythewanderer (78) · 5 years ago

BTW: here is the China's new internet law implemented on March 1st, 2020, be positive, or else, you get censored ^^

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engrave (64) · 5 years ago (edited)

It's already implemented.

Screenshot from 20200319 172932.png

The censorship is on.

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5 votes

tamiil (65) · 5 years ago

And suddenly Steem looks to be a much riskier investment than Hive.

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engrave (64) · 5 years ago

It was from the beginning. This chain will die sooner than later. Sell pressure after the Hive hard fork will dump Steem value to 0.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

Czesc @engrave

Selling pressure dla HIVE tez bedzie ogromne. Jesli nie wieksze. Prawda jest taka, ze wiekszosc ludzi zainwestowala realne pieniadze w zakup steem. A hive token dostana za darmo. Zasadniczo wiec juz sam ten fakt bedzie wplywal na podswiadoma wartosc steemu i watpie aby bylo wielu uzytkownikow chetnych do jego sprzedazy po cenach zblizonych do zera.

Jesli cena steemu poszybuje faktycznie w dol, to wydaje mi sie ze wiekszosc ludzi po prostu bedzie trzymala go i czekala na dalszy rozwoj wydarzen.

Pozdrawiam
Piotrek

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engrave (64) · 5 years ago

Moim zdaniem będzie inaczej. Ludzie przenoszący się na HIVE nie będą chcieli go sprzedawać, bo to jedyna droga rozwoju tego blockchainu. Steemit nie istnieje, wszyscy developerzy zrezygnowali, TRON nie ma developerów C/C++ i nie będzie w stanie rozwijać łańcucha. Co więcej - nie ma takiego zamiaru.

Okaże się już niedługo ;)

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drakos (70) · 5 years ago

Yup, my post got censored too. Reposted it.

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captainklaus (64) · 5 years ago (edited)

On steemit, or on all the frontends?
Edit: Seems only on steemit.
Why are you still using it, and not steempeak?

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drakos (70) · 5 years ago

Clinging to it until the last minute with nostalgia.

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engrave (64) · 5 years ago

Reaching your post is easy if you know that "something is wrong with this frontend". The problem is that many people use steemit by default. It's our job to notify everyone that there are different frontends and that one is censoring Hive content.

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captainklaus (64) · 5 years ago

Got it ;)

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jasonbu (61) · 5 years ago

Wow, that's literally incredible. I'm gob-smacked and top that off with ausbitbanks revelation. Steem >>> SCREEETCH!! SPLAT!

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tamiil (65) · 5 years ago

Well, this kind of thing is the last nail in the coffin for me and probably for many others. Steem's main selling point was censorship resistance and when all it has left is steemit.com with Justin censoring everything he doesn't agree with then what's the point anymore?

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drakos (70) · 5 years ago

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bryan-imhoff (66) · 5 years ago

So. Much. Wow.

Of course Steemit always had the option to not display certain content in the front end, and did utilize it in the past in cases of illegal activity, extreme spam, etc.

This represents a new low by Justin Sun, blacklisting posts discussing other blockchain projects! And the code highlighted by @ausbitbank is even more damning! Without full witness control, these changes can only be implemented to the display of posts... but once Sun centralizes Steem I have no doubt we’ll see outright censorship in the form of coordinated witness servers actually removing or disallowing certain posts from the blockchain itself.

See you all tomorrow on Hive!

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tamiil (65) · 5 years ago

I can't see him stopping there. What would stop him from blocking transactions of his "enemies"? The people who are against the sanctity of private property need to be dealt with after all.

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https://github.com/steemit/condenser/compare/06f9dd74bf64b3a693c5b11a220b3237973f235f...0b89370664c5a0953569a864880b4882e80d055f

dhimmel (65) · 5 years ago

Here's a version of the GitHub comparison link that uses commit hashes

The comparison based on branch names could change. Commit hashes ensure content-integrity.

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discernente (76) · 5 years ago

Everything we feared about the Steemit centralization is now already a reality.

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steemmillionaire (65) · 5 years ago

What TRON is currently doing here is the best marketing campaign for Hive! See you on the bright side!

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bobskibob (60) · 5 years ago

Just lol ... there is no other words

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https://steemit.com/hive-142159/@paragism/the-answer-is-fork

paragism (60) · 5 years ago

Yesterday they censored my this post regarding hive.

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skysnap (67) · 5 years ago

Justine Sun is Chinese. Chinese people migrate to US and other first world nations in west and then promote communism and socialism. So not surprised that justine sun is PRO censorship. Stop giving power to immigrant chinese like him. Simple.

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aotearoa (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

That's right... Chineses are used to censorship, and, when they finally manage to get what they want they start doing exactly the same thing. It's on their DNA... as the old saying says: Do you wanna know what someone is like? HJust give him/her power!
Bottomline: Chinese, Russians, Cubans and all the people from Comunist countries are not to be trusted!

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skramatters (66) · 5 years ago

Hello from steemit where I read this post, so............

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rmach (68) · 5 years ago

You know steem(it) hit bottom when these final hours before the HF are making facebook look real good and free! 😵

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jager567 (49) · 5 years ago

Censorship and blockchain don't go hand-in-hand.
They are exact opposites.
Steemit is no better than Facebook, Twitter, or any other conventional social medium.
This action proves that even that valuation is too high.
Steemit is a worthless system, ran by a dictator.

Steem, however, will live on, albeit under a different name.

No one can censor Steem

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joythewanderer (78) · 5 years ago

Resteemed

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paulmp (66) · 5 years ago

So Justin is just proving the very reason why the community didn't want him in control in the first place. By Steem.. it has been lovely, but I refuse to sit and be censored, I'll censor myself thank you!

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creativeblue (61) · 5 years ago

Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

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paulmp (66) · 5 years ago

I've got an account in both places, I'm not certain, I will probably be posting mostly at Hive, but a few other things I use sit on the Steem blockchain, so I'm probably going to keep using those as well.

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creativeblue (61) · 5 years ago

Big Thx for your reply. I think i will stick around on both chains for time being.

I also figured that you may find this post interesting and worth your time:
https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/project-hope-curation-trail-on-both-chains-steem-and-new-hive

It's post published by good friend of mine and I'm helping him to promote their curation trail.

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toofasteddie (70) · 5 years ago

Hahahhaha, what a stupid guy! He still believe can do anything against us

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synrg (61) · 5 years ago

Wow! Hive it is then... Thanks for bringing this up.

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https://staging.busy.org/@jrcornel/steem-hive-huobi-global-also-announces-they-will-support-hive-airdrop

jrcornel (84) · 5 years ago

Looks like my post from yesterday is being censored as well now...

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cryptosharon (69) · 5 years ago

I can see it on steemit

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jrcornel (84) · 5 years ago

It's not showing up on my steemit.com blog page any longer. It shows up on Busy.org but not on my steemit page.

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cryptosharon (69) · 5 years ago

Maybe it's an issue on your side, or maybe it's a cache problem on my side.

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indigoocean (67) · 5 years ago

Another odd thing I just blogged about is that yesterday's 24 hr volume was more than the entire market cap of STEEM, and most of the buying was against KRW, so Koreans. Trying to get in on the HIVE airdrop to create mayhem on the new chain, perhaps?

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d00k13 (75) · 5 years ago

I agree yet wonder, was the blacklist not something that was implemented to solve an issue on the STEEM blockchain?

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mahdiyari (67) · 5 years ago

I think you refer to Global Blacklist API by @themarkymark
That's different. Global Blacklist API mainly designed to only "mark" hackers and spammers.
Tron implemented this blacklist from scratch to hide posts completely. Also, more posts included in the tron blacklist is added to the post.

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d00k13 (75) · 5 years ago

Ahh yea you must be right... anyways I bet I’m in there 😉

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fwelectronics (37) · 5 years ago

That's very correct NO TO CENSORSHIP.

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argsolver (52) · 5 years ago

One day to go and the nightmare is over.

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californiacrypto (61) · 5 years ago

Lets get our Hive on.

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theabsolute (63) · 5 years ago

This is...not good

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cardboard (61) · 5 years ago

Are they fucking hard coding posts that will not show up?:DDD

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engrave (64) · 5 years ago (edited)

Yes, but created also an endpoint to get future post_ids to block ;) More of that, they used hivemind id's which are not consistent between nodes.

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leprechaun (56) · 5 years ago

I am starting my own condenser. Right now, it only shows lists of posts. I am using React-JS and Typescript. I recommend using https://www.steempeak.com. There are many. Thanks mostly for the Free RPC nodes. I have always voted for witnesses than ran public/RPC nodes.

Isn't the market crazy though? 29 cent Steem, and $1.13 Steem Dollars.

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cloudspyder (59) · 5 years ago

In the future steemit will become a first in censored blockchain.

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gadrian (66) · 5 years ago

Welcome to Steemit... Embrace our censorship frenetic brand new policy! :-)

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simplifylife (63) · 5 years ago

Who cares about steemit.com anyway!

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blind-spot (70) · 5 years ago

More people need to know about this.

Resteemed

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jrcornel (84) · 5 years ago

It looks like it is still showing up on the main page?

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mahdiyari (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

Yeah, still not implemented on the online site.

Edit: Implemented now. Censorship in action.

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jrcornel (84) · 5 years ago

Yep, good catch!

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago

Doesn't @justinsunsteemit understand that he makes things only worse with this kind of authoritarian actions. He shows his hand as evil dictator here.

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definitepotato (45) · 5 years ago

See you all on Hive.

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ervin-lemark (71) · 5 years ago

is this the platform that you choose to support and be a witness for?

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vermithrax (56) · 5 years ago (edited)

I was always a bit suspicious if @steemhunt. Those 4 word in the Steemhunt Posting Guidelines did it:

any type of weaponry.

There is something authoritarian about people who are opposed to weaponry. And we are not talking only guns here.

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mattclarke (68) · 5 years ago

@elipowell, it's been a month, are you still free to post?
Given the circumstances I'll take silence as an answer.

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rosepac (55) · 5 years ago

I am the first to be very harsh and critical of everything that is happening.

But without a doubt, this has led me a lot for a position.

Although I still think that witnesses should change many things in the new chain.

Among them, the bots, the way of voting, the curators ... Etc, etc, etc.

It seems to me that Justin is having a disgusting attitude and this corroborates this.. I hope this can be worked on. Not like Steemit, that was unreal.

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tonytrillions (66) · 5 years ago

!giphy awesome

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giphy (53) · 5 years ago

giphy is supported by witness untersatz!

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sharatdotinfo (52) · 5 years ago

I don't know if this is related to the Justin Sun hostile takeover but my account is being falsely flagged as spam by steem cleaners. I tried to reason with them but they wouldn't show me proof or listen. Steem is really becoming a shit show. Time to move onto better platforms like Uptrennd, Publish0x etc.

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