Moving to hive

iamstan (62) · 6 years ago (edited)

My first comment since HF20! Hell this is why we can't entice investors to come here. Its just another centralized project that claims it is not centralized.
But honestly Bernie this and the guy that is now #35 because he is "partners" with JB. Wow now he has two witness servers, WHAT? Is that cool for someone to have multiple witness servers?

Its the good old boy shit we deal with daily in our Fiat world, we all hoped to escape from here.

If it was not for the great friends I have made here there would be no reason to stay.

SMT... do you know of one company outside of steemit that is planing on having a SMT?
I have not heard of one real company outside of the steemit platform and if that is the case it will be a total waste of time. Its just a harebrained idea to sell more steem and I don't think it will work.

Another big problem is the powerdown and HF production testing. Until that is removed there will be no big push for investors to join this platform.

What intelligent savvy investor would invest in a company that will look up his capital for a week or even 13 weeks. Nevermind..........

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago (edited)

Spot on. Steem will never draw those big investors @ned has always dreamed of for this exact reason. It's nothing but a fanboy club that @ned ensures will never change.

Why? Because he's scared and inexperienced.

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13 votes

iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

I would upvote this reply but it would just get returned to the reward pool so if I remember in 15 minutes you will know I agree with you 100%

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d-pend (73) · 6 years ago

so if I remember in 15 minutes you will know I agree with you 100%

The most counterintuitive and inefficient mechanic possible. FFS.

berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

Another @ned special!

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10 votes

trevonjb (74) · 6 years ago

I thought it was only for self upvotes?

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valth (68) · 6 years ago

No, it's for all votes. So unless you want some of your voting power going to waste, wait until comments/posts are 15 minutes old.

otage (70) · 6 years ago

The voting window only applies to 25% curation rewards. If it is not functioning correctly than there is another bug in the code.

Look Under Curation Updates here for the information:
https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/steem-velocity-hardfork-hardfork-20

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valth (68) · 6 years ago

Yes, that's correct. You still waste a lot of voting power if you vote on posts/comments during the first few minutes after it was published.

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iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

When the original post came out I thought it was all votes before 15 minutes. But many said it was just for the self vote.
Here is @themarkymarks take on it. here

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robmolecule (64) · 6 years ago

I believe they changed it to prevent people from using large upvotes to get the curation for themselves. It didn't matter whether they were self-upvoting or using bots to do it. The author was able to manipulate it so that they got the curation. Now it's burned. It seems it would make more sense to just get rid of this time limit. A vote should just be a the same no matter when it's cast. But then I also don't know why they get burned when voting on a post more than 7 days old.

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otage (70) · 6 years ago

Its a penalty portion of your curation rewards that get returned to the reward pool not the vote given to the author.

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iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

We will all have to wait 5 to 7 days to know what they really did?
I think the jury is out for now because how can we accept anything but the facts after it happens?

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otage (70) · 6 years ago

True dat!

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iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

This will better serve the original mission of the curation rewards budget: to ensure that the Steem blockchain distributes rewards to the most valuable content.

Do you believe that crap?

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robmolecule (64) · 6 years ago

No the rewards go to whovever the richest steemians want the rewards to go to and none of them are reading your posts.

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otage (70) · 6 years ago

LOL! No! Just reporting on the mechanics.

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gentmartin (63) · 6 years ago

Absolutely agree, This is becoming nothing more than a Steemit Masonic Lodge. As for Bernies original question, no idea who almost any of the top 20 are. They just cream it in and have zero engagement.

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iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

https://steemian.info/witnesses This one will give you the full list of witnesses. What they are running, links to their witness profile and much more.
This one will tell you who votes for them. http://www.steemreports.com/witness-voters/

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bobinson (63) · 6 years ago

SMT... do you know of one company outside of steemit that is planing on having a SMT?

@appics - they did an ICO to launch a SMT based app. Not sure whether they are still going with SMT. I am not able to find anything on SMT in their site https://appics.com/ now

iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

That is someone who has been on steemit since July 2017. And they just started the app recently.
I am talking about a real world profitable company not a start up or a new company trying to fund itself.
Most people don't realize that Tesla for example is not a profitable company. If it were not for stupid investors they would have collapsed many moons ago. The cars are cool and the ideas are awesome but its not a profitable business. Take away taxpayer funds its even worse.

All the pie in the sky bull is just pie in the sky bull. There is really nothing new under the sun!

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bobinson (63) · 6 years ago

I agree - basically there seems to be no one with a healthy P&L or for that matter even a P&L

sircork (64) · 6 years ago

Pies & Lemonade? :P

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mountainjewel (68) · 6 years ago

i think they are still going ahead with their SMT - i just saw an update post this morning actually. i'm very excited for their project! i think it has great potential. also following you @bobinson- i like your passion & honesty and i hope some of your ideas can be put to good use!

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

EXPECT MORE FROM OUR WITNESSES.
THEY MAKE AN ABSURD ABOUT OF MONEY WHILE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF STEEM.

Let's be a little more specific please. I make about 40 bucks a month after dual server expenses and 3 team mates also making about 40 each. We power it up in the witness to further the witness unless we agree one of us needs some more ramen now and then.

What do we collectively do?

Insert 100 highly visible bullet points here. But how would you know? We can't afford to trend like vaporware, slave labor built card games from asshats who can't even spell the word "contribute."

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8 votes

rhondak (66) · 6 years ago

Wait...we make money?

Yah, I've been living with no indoor plumbing for three years except water from a hose and one faucet. I'm headed into my third Appalachian winter without sufficient heat. I've been supporting a 501c3 charity with every penny I earn because the community local to me is one of the poorest in North America. I drive a 20-year old vehicle with farm tags because I can't afford the repairs that would get it past inspection. And I can't remember the last time I bought fresh groceries and not something to microwave from Dollar General.

Yet I've made a bigger impact on my real world community and the Steem community than most users ever will. I've applied proof of brain to everything I do and the results show. My team and I have proposed a way to bring more mainstream attention and investment to the blockchain than most well-funded projects I see here, and we're moving forward with these plans despite lack of stakeholder support. I'm not complaining. I'm simply pointing out the disparity between quite a few top-ranking witnesses and the amount of work going unnoticed in the trenches. @noblewitness stays busy. We're proud of what we do for blockchain communities. But damn--ramen does get old after a while.

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steemitqa (64) · 6 years ago

Just added @noblewitness to my witness list. Thanks for doing all the hard work for us.

rhondak (66) · 6 years ago

It's for sure we aren't the only folks around here who work hard. But I will say this much: your vote is deeply appreciated. Thank you so much for trusting us. :-)

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

Thanks @steemitqa, but I'm still gonna beat you up after school if you keep trying to steal @banjo's love away from me.

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ats-david (74) · 6 years ago (edited)

I would like to put myself out there as an alternative to some of the top witnesses. I'm engaged in the community, I have a competent team, and I'm in the process of building a website for sports and gaming where actual cryptocurrency commerce can take place.

Anyone can read my latest commentary from @ats-witness - or check out the comments from the account you see right now.

I vote for @berniesanders as a witness too - not because I necessarily agree with everything he says or does, but because he is one of few voices on this platform that bluntly questions the status quo... and he has been more than generous with his stake since 2016. Don't let the words on Steemit fool you. He's actually like a big cuddly teddy bear!

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

You know, I think it's time I redressed our grievances. Stand by, a couple days ago, a traitor named @ Jerry @jrswab banfield opened up a hole when I learned of his greed anyway.

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

While I'm at it, you too @nextgencrypto, I used to vote ya, but you did some wacky shit, but David isn't wrong. You have the clout and the right questions every time. So principles it is, I just hope you can code if you top 20 or people will wanna see you hang. Not my circus, not my monkeys. I know I can code. :)

Anyway, common beliefs, common leafs, and shared enemies makes you an ally, whether you return the favor to @noblewitness the "no bull" witness or not. And that goes for both you and @ats-david

ats-david (74) · 6 years ago

...I just hope you can code if you top 20...

I believe he has a more than competent team capable of writing code for both on and off-chain projects, as far as I can tell.

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

I am not a developer but that doesn't mean I can't get shit done, @sircork.

What fun is life without some "wacky shit"? I take that as a compliment, so, thank you.

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

That's why I didn't call it "bad shit" - just wacky. And honestly I continue to contend and often cite that you are the greatest showman on the chain. It wasn't an insult, and I chose the word carefully. Surely you recall being an adolescent on the platform. The other kids will shun you on the playground and bully you if you hang out with the wrong kids. I'm grown up now. I don't have to listen to 'em anymore just to avoid certain obscurity and death before I even got started.

doomsdaychassis (63) · 6 years ago

@ats-david and @sircork i always enjoy seeing you guys in the dicusions. While you may not see eye to eye i believe that a good thing for the top 20. @berniesanders already has my vote and i will be adding you guys to my short list. Thank you for having steemits best interest at heart and not just your wallets. I responded directly to @neds post with my concerns about @freedom who is also @pumpkin that bernie writes about here. A lot of the top 20 would not be there without his MASSIVE vote. Maybe witness votes should be revamped so that you have to be an active user in a certain time frame. We can not continue to let the dead vote. What are we Democrats?

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

I ain't no f'n democrat, I voted for the weed dude. (Gary J, he may bumble, he may mumble, but dude is my cannabis cup choice)

I've enjoyed reading you too, since becoming aware of you. Your remarks on the post yesterday are comedy gold and real proof of brain.

Thanks for the short listing! Much appreciated, we won't let you down.

doomsdaychassis (63) · 6 years ago

Very nice. I still have my yard sign hung up proudly in the garage. Putting someone in jail over a plant is madness.

sircork (64) · 6 years ago

Dude. My brotha. I don't know how to tell you this...

your house is sideways, man!

novacadian (58) · 6 years ago

Maybe witness votes should be revamped so that you have to be an active user in a certain time frame. We can not continue to let the dead vote

My feeling is that a better incremental step more likely to find consensus would be releasing the votes of inactive witnesses. Maybe after one month of inactivity?

This would free up votes from inactive users over time as well.

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

I didn't say he could or couldn't. I do know from the rumor mills and virtue signalling posts, that self established vigilante posse's are forming around the rumor mills that suggest much witch hunting is going to start happening. I can't say it's entirely a bad idea, I just don't think all of them are going to be qualified for the job they are taking on either.

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intellihandling (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

Dear Bernie, we need your help! Thousand of planctons are effected by new HF20 and it seems Steemit is becoming an exclusive club! One whale commented on my post say to stop to rape Steemit with begging upvote and start to power up at list 100 SP to be an active member of this exclusive community. WTF!!

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7 votes

sircork (64) · 6 years ago

And here you are begging? I don't think this comment is going to work out like you expect.

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intellihandling (63) · 6 years ago

No my friend, i do not need to beg anything, expecially from you!

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

It's a capital 'I' for personal pronouns.

especially

plankton (no 's' on the word, spelled correctly or not.)

saying to stop

begging for upvotes

But you want to get paid for writing here?

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intellihandling (63) · 6 years ago

Hey my friend, did i commented your post? So WTF do you want from me? Bernie is a guru for us and we follow him, so if you have nothing to do, go to do it somewhere else...

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

Well, you do sound like someone who does need help. Hope that works out for you.

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intellihandling (63) · 6 years ago

I do not need any help, just i like how Bernie is acting for Steemit goodness and this HF20 in my opinion is a bullish thing against planctons, thats why i like to inform him...

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fbslo (70) · 6 years ago

HF20 didn't change so much, there were bandwidth problems for small users before too.

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isarmoewe (64) · 6 years ago

Check out the following link please. Maybe his note was harsh but the comment he's referring to is even harsher in my eyes.
https://steemit.com/steem/@intellihandling/steemit-after-hf20-atomic-bomb

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

The comment isn't wrong. This is not a free money atm, it's dPOS block chain, and an opportunity unavailable this accessible, anywhere else on earth, to build a personal business, be it blogging, dapp, streaming, etc. This kind of complaint is the same as somebody walking into new york city with no skills and expecting a free business to be opened to them, handed to them and pay them, and it betrays a complete lack of understanding about this system, markets and business in general, here and in the real world.

And it gets tiresome. I've seen this guys blog, it's not worth reading even if it was free, no one would ever PAY to consume that "product". But, hey, he's upset cause he isn't getting free money.

It's a reward pool, not a socialist handout. People who don't understand basic business and market principles will be the loudest complaints here.

Go look at his crap, and tell me how much YOU would pay for it in a bookstore or magazine rack.

Yeah, thought so.

Successful people will be successful here or on the web at large or in the world, and those that can't, won't be anywhere.

isarmoewe (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Modern media are about distraction that's why Youtube channels like PewDiePie (spelled right?) work. There's similar accounts on Steemit. (Of course there are.)
*Speak freely and you will find (someone's) ears* has always been the slogan. Steemit wasn't different in that point.

This kind of complaint is the same as somebody walking into new york city with no skills and expecting a free business to be opened to them, handed to them and pay them, and it betrays a complete lack of understanding about this system, markets and business in general, here and in the real world.

At any (!) time of mankind society had to face the existence of such people. And at any time some of those people have found their living and some have not. You can find examples on Steemit also. (I won't give any names since I don't want to be targeted.)
Each economy has to deal with lesser-qualified people. And even though people are reserved about each other, no society has died from feeding some of the less wealthy. Therefore I don't see why I should join you in your disconcertment.

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

You realize, that among other things you are speaking to the founder of the largest and most accomplished humanitarian aid foundation on any block chain known so far? (The @YouAreHOPE Foundation, turning one year old in two weeks)

We've aided thousands of desperate humans in tragic conditions across several continents and a dozen countries...

So yes, aiding the unfortunate is kinda something I have a firm handle on, thanks.

This guy has an internet connection. He just rose to a slim percentage of the world in wealth and opportunity. His inability to use it, and understand how to succeed here, would be true for him anywhere.

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isarmoewe (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Congrats on the jubilee.
No, of course I did not do research on your person, did you do some on mine? I'm doing the on-site work for people like you.

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Yes, I tend to do that when engaging with new conversants I've not conversed with before. I've also seen you around other threads as I pass around the platform keeping ears and eyes on as much as I can every day.

I look at blog content, profile info and wallets, as any wise person would do when engaging with someone on this platform.

Auch, Ich sprechen einen bisschen Deutsch, auf hoch schule, aber nicht wiehle aber gut.

So yeah, I do pay attention. It's part of what I consider best practices when using this platform.

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intellihandling (63) · 6 years ago

Dear @sircork, you are of course a superuser and a member of Steemit Elite, but here we are not talking about business, we are talking about to be free to make comments and interact with people. I learned a lot interacting with people, but why this should be a business? Maybe upvote it could be, but comment should be free, not limited, this is just my opinion and do not worry, my opinon soon will disappear because my RC is going down dramatically, so i will not be able to comment and make my socialism opinion, thanks to this capitalism decision.

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Not quite sure how you define "super user" but I did arrive here penniless, and over the course of 17 months, proceeding to use proof of brain to accomplish earning thousands of steem, using them to travel the world to meet steemians in half a dozen countries and bought and equipped a house with the earnings. I never deposited more than a total of $500 about a year and a half ago and having used the earnings for charity and travel and improving my life, Im back down to about 600 steem.

Ive taught and mentored thousands of users who were willing to assume responsibility for themselves with a little coaching.

THEY never once complained, be they from Venezuela, or Nigeria or Bangladesh or Indonesia or other impoverished conditions. They applied themselves and did intelligent things and are doing quite well, regardless of the changes to the system along the way.

There are two kinds of people. Those that understand how to succeed anywhere, and those like you, begging for someone to do it for them.

Not impressed with any of your "arguments" as they speak volumes about your ability to succeed on your own.

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acidyo (80) · 6 years ago

lol now this time you're really barking up the wrong tree :D

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago (edited)

Yeah, we'll see if Coindesk feels like writing about it... Maybe then something will get done. I don't think @ned wants everyone to realize what a centralized piece of shit this really is.

And honestly, it's pretty sad you don't give a shit about it.

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12 votes

ssjsasha (67) · 6 years ago

probably why he hasn't focused on marketing.

What actions must be taken in order to put us on the right path?

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

A witness voting system that isn't controlled by a single, inactive and malicious user.

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ssjsasha (67) · 6 years ago

how do we get the single, inactive, malicious user to relinquish their power?

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

Impossible, will never happen.

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ssjsasha (67) · 6 years ago

so, unless they die.... we are at their "mercy"?

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senseicat (72) · 6 years ago

That is an awful thought. If freedom becomes incapacitated in any way, the votes can remain stuck forever.

berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

We will always be at their mercy, even after death, unless all coins are sold. The votes will always have their impact unless they are removed.

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10 votes

ats-david (74) · 6 years ago

If they die, then those top witness positions will be even more entrenched, since those votes will never decay. And this is precisely why we need decaying votes.

jenina619 (69) · 6 years ago

I missed you my favorite Tomato🍅😘

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doomsdaychassis (63) · 6 years ago

Here is a little visual aid of what @pumpkin/ @freedom vote looks like. It is the fat ass dark blue line.

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6 votes

d-pend (73) · 6 years ago (edited)

Now that's a vote!

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guiltyparties (70) · 6 years ago

It's possible to get to the top without pumpkin. And by now we all know that pumpkin gives out votes for arbitrary reasons, not technical excellence or contribution.

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ura-soul (75) · 6 years ago

I proposed a redistribution curve for witness payouts and also wrote a spec for witness vote decay months ago which @ned told me personally was a good idea, but which has never seen the light of day in terms of functionality.

The pumpkin/freedom issue is absolutely 'the turd in the punchbowl' of steem - more transparency is needed.

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mountainjewel (68) · 6 years ago

The pumpkin/freedom issue is absolutely 'the turd in the punchbowl' of steem - more transparency is needed.

lol thank you for this ... i mean not thank you about the situation, but thanks for the surprising chuckle/gasp it brought forth from me :)

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ura-soul (75) · 6 years ago

hehe :)
synchronistically, i just posted about this topic. i made a graphic to show witness rankings with and without pumpkin. the difference is not actually so huge in terms of the end result, except that it is obviously much easier for healthy competition to be supported without pumpkin's input!

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mountainjewel (68) · 6 years ago

awesome! i'll check it out...

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sapphic (52) · 6 years ago

The witnesses who could actually affect change and fix the witness voting system have NO reason to do so because THEY ARE THE ONES PROFITING FROM THE POORLY BUILT SYSTEM.

and this is the inherent conflict of interest that fucks it all.

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justyy (82) · 6 years ago

Out of Top 20 witnesses, there are 17 that are voted by pumpkin/freedom - so I believe it is quite centralized. :(

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

And you have written more useful code as far as I can tell than most of them.

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justyy (82) · 6 years ago

Thanks for your kind words. ;)

sircork (64) · 6 years ago

Thanks for your tools site I have often utilized.

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a-steem-whale (48) · 6 years ago

These 17 accounts belong to the StInc management team if not @ned himself.

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isnochys (66) · 6 years ago

Freedom vote?
Who else?

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swingersglobal (47) · 6 years ago

@ned decentralise or expect Steem to go zero, you suffer the greatest loss compared to us minnows

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freedomno1 (55) · 6 years ago

Weird recalls bernie had - infinite rep, either way yep the other freedom/pumpkin account has to much influence. I expect more from our witnesses though they do not do a good job HF20 showed it.

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maikelblogo (49) · 6 years ago

Lets see from now how much the Resource Credits can make a beware advisory for potential investors as the Steem crew ask Steemit members for paying before posting. ¿Could it be the same before this HF20? It was better earlier -despite bot services- I thought it would get better but Blogger still be better than this if the boss doesn't remove the 'brilliant' idea he had by establishing the resource credits...

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anarcho-andrei (64) · 6 years ago

Not sure what you're talking about re: paying before posting. Mind going into a little more detail?

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kafkanarchy84 (74) · 6 years ago

Now new users cannot post after joining. They can make a couple votes and comments a day, and that’s about it, it would seem. SP delegations to new accounts are no more. Total shift in PR regarding what this platform was originally “all about.”

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anarcho-andrei (64) · 6 years ago

Well, to be fair, with 20.4 patch, the RC budget for every account was multiplied by 10, so that should free up even low SP accounts to engage in significantly more activity. It'll be less than accounts with larger SP balances, of course, but that's always been the case.

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kafkanarchy84 (74) · 6 years ago

Accounts now start with 0 SP is my point. Who wants to join a "social" network where they cannot contribute without paying up front (many new users don't even understand how to pay)? This is a shift away from the original PR angle of easy onboarding and helping folks ease into cryptocurrencies and blockchain social media. Patch or no, someone signing up today cannot post. What fun!

Sorry man, but I am just now figuring out how hopelessly centralized this place is. Top 20 witnesses are basically centrally controlled, and outside of that group nobody really has much say.

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maikelblogo (49) · 6 years ago

So sad to know it. That was the point about why i've said Steemit stopped being a fair social network. As Steem was centralized before we knew the real role of the witness...

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anarcho-andrei (64) · 6 years ago

Well yeah, but even with zero SP they have resource credits, which allows them to interact with blockchain. It's not much in the way of interaction, but they can still post and vote. The whole point of removing SP for account creation is that they're granted a small portion of RC usage. I had a user, @marinaeronko, vote my witness that has .1 SP and 15 delegated SP. Their delegated RC allows them to make 19 comments and 100+ votes. Even without the 15 delegated SP, they'd still be able to make comments and vote.

I don't disagree with you about how centralized things are, but I don't see this as an issue.

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kafkanarchy84 (74) · 6 years ago (edited)

It's not much in the way of interaction, but they can still post and vote.

I’m not so sure about that. From what I have read is that there are not enough RCs at the outset for new users to post.

I had a user, @marinaeronko, vote my witness that has .1 SP and 15 delegated SP. Their delegated RC allows them to make 19 comments and 100+ votes. Even without the 15 delegated SP, they'd still be able to make comments and vote.

Right. And that delegation was from where? Not from Steemit upon signup, is it? The official blog awhile back said there would be no more delegation. I am confused.

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anarcho-andrei (64) · 6 years ago

The point I was making was that, even without the 15 SP delegation, they wouldn't be restricted from commenting and voting. It wasn't that they had a delegation; it was that the delegation wasn't material to them being able to do things.

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themanualbot (70) · 6 years ago

This sums up to the idea that we arent decentralized afterall. Or is it decentralization impossible at any blockchain system?

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heretickitten (64) · 6 years ago

I used to write intellectual philosophical content, original short stories, and decent poetry. This entire Steem platform ought to serve me, seeing as I'm a writer who writes nigh-exclusively on Steem.

But I don't get anything, while some early-bird gets more than just the worm: They get the entire platform, leaving actual writers with nothing.

I'm not some blogger, not a news-writer, not a desperate person just writing trash, I'm a serious writer, but look: I'm impoverished, despite being the true target demographic here. I ought to be living like royalty, seeing as I'm a proper writer of prose and adventure, but instead it's like fine dining at the local trash dump.

I could easily run my own witness server, I'm certainly technologically adept enough to handle it, but why even bother? I'm not the sort of person who panders and appeals to others just to be popular, nor am I greedy enough to try anyways. What should I do here?

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

Here are your options:
1: Buy Votes
2: Buy a TON of Steem and Power Up
3: Deal With It
4: Quit Steeming

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14 votes

apsu (65) · 6 years ago

Your posts which are 1month (and 1+) have usually earnings over $3 and quite many with double digits.
Are you assuming you would earn big amounts? There are some flaws which harm the possibility to earn more, but it's really difficult or close to impossible to earn as much as we would want.

heretickitten (64) · 6 years ago

A lot of those double-digit ones are votes that I bought, in the hopes that it'd get some attention. But it didn't seem to work. No one is reading.

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apsu (65) · 6 years ago

Well the sad fact is, if you want to buy attention you'd need to buy yourself to trending.

To get attention you would need to interact with people and/or be good enough to impress those who could be interested in your genre.

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mountainjewel (68) · 6 years ago

build community. you can't win here just as a writer of awesome posts. worked for me.

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freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

Hang in there, audiences are coming.
The halls are empty, but they wont stay that way forever.
Presuming sufficient change happens.

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nationalpark (63) · 6 years ago

For the top 20 wintesses, @pumpkin/ @freedom voted 17. The 20th witness has 52,874MV. @pumpkin contributed 15,805MV. Without @pumpkin's vote, 13 of the 17 witnesses will not be in top 20.

Therefore,

Who controls freedom controls witnesses.
Who controls witnesses controls Steem.

This is the list of the top witness voters:

@pumpkin: 15,805MV
@blocktrades: 9,653MV
@clayop: 6,876MV
@hendrikdegrote: 3,329MV
@haejin: 3,094MV
@minority-report: 2,684MV
@thejohalfiles: 2,470MV
@smooth: 2,461MV
@xeldal: 2,194MV
@booster: 2,033MV
@roadscape: 1,960MV
@riverhead: 1,784MV
@arhag: 1,605MV
@lukestrokes: 1,559MV
@trafalgar: 1,548MV

Screen Shot 2018-09-28 at 2.41.07 PM.png
Top 20 witnesses (screenshot of steemian.info)

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svamiva (60) · 6 years ago (edited)

The solution is pretty obvious, to change the rules the way you could vote with your stake just for one witness ( not 30 )
If you feel like voting for 17 witnesses you do it with 1/17 of your stake.
Seems to be fair enough to me.

nationalpark (63) · 6 years ago

That's a good suggestion

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k0wsk1 (63) · 6 years ago

I’m a bit confused - how does the user @pumpkin with 0.712 SP have the control over the witness list that you say he does?

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

Because its associated directly with the user @freedom and via proxies.

freedom is using pumpkin as a voting proxy.

Account: pumpkin
Reputation: 0
Vote value: 0 MegaVests + 15806.05 MegaVests proxied = 15806.05 MegaVests
Votes for 30 witnesses

If you aren't sure, that's a metric fukkin ton of megavests, speaking scientifically of course.

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k0wsk1 (63) · 6 years ago

Damn aight I’m seein it now

smooth (70) · 6 years ago

fukkin ton of megavests

Roughly 7.8 million SP.

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

science

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bernard4ve (47) · 6 years ago

How did you that?

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slider2990 (63) · 6 years ago

Bernie. Is there a crypto currency that you do not think is a shitcoin?

What other social media coins do you think will win mainstream attraction?

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

Who cares about social media coins? They're created to make everyone feel good about the trash nobody else fucking cares about.

There are plenty of other blockchains out there that aren't "shitcoins", but, I don't need to tell you that...

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sircork (64) · 6 years ago

We're here all night. Try the chicken.

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zero6t7 (52) · 6 years ago

I don't think it is possible...How they do that..?

Posted using Partiko Android

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dominion01 (60) · 6 years ago

They dropped my resume.

Posted using Partiko Android

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amahovac93 (63) · 6 years ago

For the looks of it Bernie you dont seem quite happy about this Witness...

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allcapsonezero (61) · 6 years ago (edited)

removed as post was edited. I will comply with that editing on my comment.

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paloalto62 (55) · 6 years ago

I guess there is nothing you can do. I sincerely started steemit because I have good content for users to appreciate. It sucks that this controlled users ruin it by centralizing this system. I hope people do truly appreciate my content. Thanks for this info @berniesanders

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bestkizito (58) · 6 years ago

Posted about you but you didnt stop by
https://steemit.com/steem/@bestkizito/ned-and-his-team-are-making-things-difficult-tohell-with-hf20-and-so-on

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apsu (65) · 6 years ago

Tagging someone on a post doesn't mean they should react to the post.

fictionalfacts (51) · 6 years ago

Wow you're really letting the top accounts have it, I really like this platform but I don't like seeing top witnesses who aren't even slightly active on steem.

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brianphobos (70) · 6 years ago

Agreed. The witness situation is ridiculous to be honest. Some of the top witnesses are smiling ear to ear and they honestly think everything is fine. They actually think everyone else is just a complainer nobody.

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inventor16 (64) · 6 years ago

They are WAY over paid, and do very little to improve steem. Only reason I'm here is because there is nothing better atm.

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brianphobos (70) · 6 years ago

It's hard to replicate but I'm surprised someone hasn't been able to launch another platform in the last two years that at least rivals this one. WhaleShares.io is certainly worth getting on and at least double posting. And I have also been posting on WEKU as well but I don't believe there is a way to get those coins out to any exchange so it is sort of banking on future acceptance....etc.

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inventor16 (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

We need account based witness voting, not stake based. It's a plutocracy not a democracy. And the witness voting decay needs to be added yesterday. One way around this is to have steeminc use their stake to vote in 20 new witnesses that'll pass new code implement the new features after the smt's are released and we have account based voting.

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pranishg (52) · 6 years ago

I agree on this
The witness system is a complete crap

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thabiggdogg (56) · 6 years ago

I'm just here for the free cookies.

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libert (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

Where is freedom? 😂

Edit: oh sorry

Posted using Partiko Android

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cardboard (61) · 6 years ago

@gtg is running a public node that gets tons of traffic, he's also active on steem.chat helping other witnesses.

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

SO? Every witness SHOULD be running a full node but this dumbass blockchain doesn't make that a requirement, which is why we have consistent node issues.

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abh12345 (76) · 6 years ago

Top 20 at least, bit rough on the new starters to witnessing to expect the outlay IMO.

sircork (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

All the witnesses help each other. I don't agree ALL witnesses should be running full nodes but he does choose to do so, and runs apps that need it. dAPP operators SHOULD be running them but tend to freeload since RPCs are not incentivized at all to exist. And that's why they don't exist. Yes he runs one, yes, he periodically makes some helpful remarks. Regarding remarks, so do like 50 others. Many of us also help users, and build communities, apps, information outlets, the first two streaming services to predate the existing ones now better and replacing them in their place as information outlets, unique chain front ends, coach, counsel and mentor, work actively on user retention, provide services, create meetups and large scale events, spend days here earning nothing but grief and a handful of coins but do it out of love of the ideal anyway and on and on. (That's just MY list, others mileage may vary...)

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kyriacos (71) · 6 years ago

The story of STEEM us much the same as the story of the Golden Goose. In our case though the witnesses and bitshares whales have managed to attract enough idiots from 3rd world countries to get some support numbers so that the whole thing won't collapse on its own weight.

And really. There is nothing to be done. The money for the few are too good, the breadcrumbs for the idiots are too valuable in their shithole countries, so more or less you see the same scenario as in the real world but with much more tragic outcomes.

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bobinson (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

I disagree with you on the so called third world country argument. Its us the third world countries who are using the blockchain in the true P2P model.

On STEEM, if you want to see a poor 3rd world country's innovation, look here : https://steemit.com/@airhawk-exchange/transfers

None other than them is using the blockchain better !

PS: I am no connection whatsover with Airhawk

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cyberdemon531 (71) · 6 years ago

This is why capitalism is stupid and not sustainable long-term unless it's heavily regulated.

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apsu (65) · 6 years ago

Because one witness is unhappy for another witness he doesn't care about is the top #1?

Doesn't sound like a strong argument against capitalism.

cyberdemon531 (71) · 6 years ago

Because people with large stake will always do things for profit and to benefit themselves over the rest of the people in the society/community.

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apsu (65) · 6 years ago

"Will always"
Nope, it doesn't always happen. And that's not really a factor why capitalism wouldn't work.

Most people are here anyways for the reason to benefit themselves.

Lucky for us and them, there are many people helping the community too.

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cyberdemon531 (71) · 6 years ago

Give me one capitalist society that works well and for everyone that has ever existed in the history of humanity and has lasted for a very long time.

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apsu (65) · 6 years ago

Well that's kind of hard, capitalism hasn't been around that long. However as capitalism has been introduced, poverty in the world has reduced, people live longer and more children are able to attend school etc.

Does this sound bad to you?

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cyberdemon531 (71) · 6 years ago

Capitalism actually has the inverse reaction on all those topics. Those are a thing because of technological improvements, of which capitalism holds back from many places around the world such as Africa for example. You are on the opposite side of correct.

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anarcho-andrei (64) · 6 years ago

such as Africa for example

You mean that continent where high levels of state control forestalled any kind of progress? That place? Pretty crap example of capitalism failing, chief.

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apsu (65) · 6 years ago

Care to open up? As the markets are more and more free, the people have been prosperous and living better. If you're claiming capitalism has been only holding these back, I could be interested on how you have anything to back this up.

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arcange (73) · 6 years ago

Congratulations @berniesanders!
Your post was mentioned in the Steemit Hit Parade in the following category:

Comments - Ranked 3 with 175 comments

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justmeagain (49) · 6 years ago

I did some detective work. @smooth is approving/unapproving witnesses.

smooth approve witness timcliff 21 hours ago
smooth approve witness ausbitbank 21 hours ago
smooth approve witness lukestokes.mhth 21 hours ago
smooth unapprove witness timcliff 21 hours ago
smooth unapprove witness lukestokes.mhth 21 hours ago
smooth unapprove witness ausbitbank 21 hours ago
https://steemd.com/@smooth

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago

its sad but true

2 years and little has changed

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