Why I Oppose Routine Infant Circumcision

in circumcision •  7 years ago 

This stirred quite the debate in the chat room, so allow me to elaborate on why I'm so much against the act of genital mutilation. I've been talking about this for a decade, so I'm used to pissing people off.

Let's get this out of the way: No, you're not a bad person if you've circumcised your kid. It's never done out of ill will towards the child, and that has to be recognized.

I just feel that parents who do this are misinformed.

I feel this topic is extremely important.

History

Circumcision today is being justified by certain medical benefits - which I will get to later - but it's often forgotten about that circumcision was invented and practiced long, long before any of these alleged benefits were made known.

So, let's take a look at the history.

The origins of circumcision are a topic of dispute, but the earliest documented evidence of it being practiced was found as early as 2400 BC, in Egypt.

Judaism adopted circumcision through Moses, who left Egypt with the Hebrew slaves.

The way the Old Testament lays it out is God telling Abraham to circumcise himself, his household, as well his slaves as an unbreakable covenant, showcasing his commitment to God. It was meant to be a sacrifice - a sacrifice is obviously not a sacrifice unless it causes pain and suffering.

It obviously had nothing to do with things like penile hygiene at this point.

Jewish rabbis argued that the foreskin was simply an imperfection that needed to be cut off from the male infant to reveal the "proper" form of the penis.

Boys who were not circumcised were to be forever cut off from God. However, it's a rather interesting tidbit to throw out there that a significant amount of Jews, in Israel of all places, are no longer practicing circumcision due to becoming aware of its barbaric nature.

But not all circumcision is even religious.

The non-religious form of circumcision came to English-speaking countries during the 19th century, but it was still not about health benefits.

The proponents of circumcision during this era were open about the fact that they advocated for it as a form to combat masturbation.

The foreskin plays a role in the male's sexual satisfaction, so the removal of the foreskin was seen as a way to keep men in check and not have them degenerate into masturbation. This era was very much against sexuality, especially masturbation, and controlling people's sexuality has always been a way to control the people themselves. Masturbation was also believed to be responsible for a huge array of different disorders.

The role of the foreskin in sexual and erotic sensation was well understood by physicians at this point, and they wanted it to be cut off because they saw it as a huge factor that lead boys to masturbate.

Medical Justifications

The medical justifications for circumcision arose later on, and can be seen as ex-post facto justifications at best. People these days have this idea that circumcision was always about the health benefits, but as discussed earlier, this is not the case.

A decreased risk of urinary tract infections is among the most common medical arguments. The correlation was discovered in 1982, but is commonly debated.

However, it's fair to note that intact males are at an increased risk of UTIs during the first month or two of life, but thereafter UTIs are predominantly found in females. The rate of UTI in males under two years of age is 1%, meaning that in order to prevent a UTI in one boy, 111 circumcisions need to be performed.

Also, the treatment for UTIs in females is prescribed antibiotics and the same works for males.

There is no need for circumcision as a way to prevent UTI.

It's been proposed that infant circumcision works to prevent penile cancer; however, the American Cancer Society states that due to the rarity of the disease neither the American Academy of Pediatrics nor the Canadian Academy of Pediatrics recommends routine neonatal circumcision.

Then there's the HIV argument.

Over recent years, it's been discovered that circumcision both does and doesn't have an effect on the spreading of HIV. The results are nothing but conclusive, even though people seem to treat it as a fact that circumcision works as protection against HIV.

Most of the studies that claim that circumcision is an effective method to decrease the spreading of HIV were conducted in Africa due to the continent's HIV epidemic. It should be pointed out that there are several different factors at play when it comes to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, so it's questionable to attempt to generalize results from one population to another.

During the AIDs epidemic in America in the 1980s and 1990s, around 85% of males were, in fact, circumcised - the rate being much higher than that of Africa's - and HIV still spread.

The American Medical Association states that behavioral factors are - obviously - far, far more important risk factors for acquisition of HIV and other STDs than "circumcision status", and circumcision cannot be responsibly viewed as protection against sexually transmitted diseases.

There's a far easier way to protect yourself from HIV, and it's called a condom - reducing the risk of HIV infection between 69%-95%.

And here's the kicker.

Population surveys in eight African countries found a higher rate of HIV infection among circumcised men compared to intact men.

One of the reasons for this could be that if people believe the being circumcised prevents HIV infection, they are more careless. It could also be that using a condom when circumcised makes the sex even less enjoyable, so circumcision itself acts as a disincentive to use a condom.

17 different observational studies that have been made have found no benefit in circumcision in regards to preventing HIV.

Among more developed countries, the US has the highest rate of HIV spread through heterosexual sex, even though the US also has the highest circumcision rate out of all developed countries. In fact, there are several countries that don't practice circumcision at all that have a much lower HIV rate than the US.

No National Medical Organization in the world recommends routine infant circumcision.

Furthermore, the American Association of Pediatrics has officially stated that keeping an uncircumcised penis clean requires no special action and that there is very little evidence to affirm the alleged association between circumcision and optimal penile hygiene. They further stated that forced retraction should never be required.

My Moral Argument

According to studies, the pain responses of newborns are actually greater than those of adults. Circumcision being highly painful is made even more horrific by the fact that no anesthetic has been found to prevent pain during circumcision in children.

Some children even go to traumatic shock due to the overwhelming pain of circumcision.

It's often stated as an argument that because circumcision happens as an infant, it's not a big deal because no adult will ever remember circumcision pain.

I always have a problem with this justification because I find it insane to suggest that the pain that happens right here and now is somehow irrelevant because the pain won't be felt a year from now.

Of course pain here and now matters. The baby is going through it here and now, he doesn't live in the future.

I broke my arm in two places when I was five or six, and while I don't remember how it felt like, I do know that I was in great pain, and at that moment it mattered. It wasn't nullified by the fact that two decades later I would have no recollection of the pain sensation I went through.

I also don't feel that it becomes morally justified to rape someone during their sleep, simply because the person would never be aware of it.

It's the violation of one's body that matters.

Just like it's not okay to punch an infant in the face and justify it by saying that he won't remember it as an adult.

That sort of reasoning is simply beyond asinine to me.

The pain for the infants isn't limited to the surgery alone; babies obviously urinate in diapers, thus putting uric acid against the surgery wound, causing additional pain. Circumcised baby boys are found to cry excessively when peeing or being placed on their bellies due to this reason.

Long-term effects of circumcision have not been studied, but changes in pain response have been demonstrated six months of age in circumcised boys.

Short-term effects of circumcision have been shown to include changes in sleep patterns, activity level, mother-child interaction, feeding, and bonding.

The rate of complications occurring in the hospital and during the first year has been documented to be as high as 38%, and these complications include hemorrhage, infections, surgical injury, and even death.

But it has to be made very clear that death is extremely rare. But those cases do exist, so they must be mentioned.

The reason I'm stating all this is because it begs the question of whether these risks and effects are necessary.

And that's the key here: necessity.

Yes, different kinds of surgeries may be required to be done on a newborn or an infant in order to solve a number of issues, but those surgeries are necessary, done in order to ensure the well-being of the child.

Circumcision cannot be claimed to be necessary in any way, which means that all of the risks and negative effects that can arise from it are unnecessary and preventable - which I feel is the reason to fight against it. Preventing unnecessary harm, I feel, is one of the most fundamental objectives as a human being in general.

Due to its place in culture, circumcision gets to exist in this sort of vacuum where otherwise agreed upon moral rules do not apply to it; if an adult man was strapped onto a bed against his will and his foreskin was forcibly mutilated off of his penis, it would be treated as an assault.

But when the exact same thing is done to a defenseless infant, it's called circumcision, and it's perfectly fine.

I can't seem to find a way to reconcile the two.

If anything, forced mutilation should be treated as more severe when done to a helpless infant. We can't ask the baby whether or not he's okay with it, but the act of crying can be seen as a signal of pain and discomfort, so it can be argued to happen against the baby's will because obviously he would rather not be in pain.

Circumcision also affects women, actually. It's been shown in studies that the male foreskin plays a part in women's sexual satisfaction, as well. Women have reported greater sexual pleasure while having intercourse with intact men, as opposed to circumcised men.

Why Do I Even Care?

I was asked why is it that I'm so passionate about this. This doesn't directly affect me in any way, so why do I even give a damn.

I guess the way I see it is just that caring about the world - as hippie as it sounds - is a moral obligation of those intellectually adept at doing so.

It's easy to say just indulge yourself in pure hedonism and whateverism in the west in 2018, but whatever luxuries we enjoy in 2018 are things we have because before we got here, there were men and women who cared about shit.

Not all progress is positive, but whatever change is positive is the result of someone looking at the world in which he or she lived in, and thinking things could be better.

I can't think of another way to put it.

It could be you who's subjected to unnecessary harm of some kind that you yourself are powerless against.

I'm also often asked why is it that I keep reading the news, even though they clearly piss me off. And granted, I no longer follow politics and yes, it has made me a happier person. But I still keep up because the world matters, as annoying as it is.

When everything becomes a culture of whateverism and values die out, what's left? Chocolate?

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Countries that circumcise their men go to war more often.

Urinary tract infection is the sole cause of not cleaning the penis properly. Babies have lots of folds, and they all need to be cleaned out. One baby i knew had cheese growing in his neck folds, because mom didn't know to clean out the folds.

Psychologically speaking, the trauma of being circumcisized manifest as i distrust of women throughout life, and a feeling of abandonment by mother. These responses are hard to work on because they are from a pre-verbal time in the person's life. The person literally knows of no other way. They do not know that they are scared of women and only receive half of the pleasure during sex.

And then women complain about men not committing.

The nervous system remembers! Fuck circumcision. Somebody cut the tip off my foreskin off without asking me when I was a baby. It’s genital mutilation, & terrible for the immune system to expose them to the procedure.

What raised my alarm bells as a parent trying to decide whether or not to do this (I am, but no reason to just do something to my child that was done to me) was that most insurance companies stopped covering it because they said it was medically unnecessary. If it is that clear that there isn't a medical benefit, then it's worth looking into before deciding 100% to do it.

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Simple, it is crazy to mutilate genitals for ANY reason

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I am going to bookmark this article and read it throug many times later on. We really need to create a new term for what "social justice" was originally supposed to be... Little boys' lives in developing countries matter. And female circumcision is even more terrifying topic which should be talked about more...

The best case against circumcision I have ever read.

While the active memory of a very young child may not record the memory, it has been demonstrated that the emotional memory of young children who are in some way violated by their caretakers play a major role in the child's future outlook on life. A good source for this is the work of Dr. Gabor Maté who deals with emotionally violated people on a daily basis.

Here's an excellent clip that underscores your point greatly.

I still don't get how sounding like a hippie is somehow bad :)
That said, mad respect for your extensive work!

thank you brother your post has been very most important.
(please can you give me up vote)

All well said. I agree - the medical benefits appear to be a rationalization after the fact. Clearly its roots are barbaric and irrational.

That being said: I am circumcised. And, I'm sure in great disappointment to 19th-century doctors and moralists, it has done absolutely nothing to keep me from masturbating.

Finally, I have a five-year-old son. And around the time he was going to be born, I was all about not getting him circumcised - for all the reasons you go into above. However, my wife disagreed. For religious reasons. What can I tell you, I buckled and went with it. But here's the interesting part:

I was there with my newborn son and the doctor when the circumcision was done. The doctor gave a local anesthetic - no reaction from him. The doctor made the cut - literally no reaction from him! Then something happened - it's been five years, so I can't remember exactly what - but something happened that wasn't getting his penis cut - like a cold breeze, or something - and my son starts crying!

My point being: I don't think the circumcision had any effect on him as far as pain or traumatic experience.

So, no, I don't think anyone should be getting circumcised. But at the same time, there's probably not too much that's negative about it either.

you may find this documentary by the BBC about Circumcision very interesting. It's made by veteran Doc film maker Chris Sykes and I produced the Graphics (quite a while ago).. it's free to watch on vimeo and goes into great detail about the arguments you pose here. I think you'll find it quite life affirming.

https://documentarystorm.com/mischief-circumcise-me/

(I think circumcision is not necessary.. We do find out in this film that in America, foreskin tissue is often sold to research labs at quite a healthy profit, often without the parents knowledge or consent.)

I got circumcised in age 8 is it cool ? I didn't want it tho

I could go on and on about how there is no medical benefit and how this is a silly ancient practice that holds no use today... but it looks like someone already did. Take my vote!

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  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I'd almost like to add this very strong post to the hypocrisy of the hominid age post that I made this morning.
Painful is the life of those that can perceive the errors of their contemporaries.

🙏🔥

Oh, may I ask... what chat room? :-D

There's something someone very dear to me said to me once: "Life is pain, your highness. Anybody telling you anything different is selling something."

And #price what else, hah.

Me or @mindfrost? Cause I ain't.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

@schattenjaeger - I'd imagine he means me. :-P

@winstonwolfe - I'd rather be cursed to die whichsoever painfully imaginable death every single day for the remainder of eternity than to be seen as a "decent fellow".
I kill it at parties, literally. ;-)

Nope, wasn't talking about you. Schatt made a Princess Bride reference.

No, I meant you, @schattenjaeger, because I got your reference. And just because something seems a certain way, doesn't mean it is. ;-)

So, that's steemit.chat and then #price?
Thank you, but that seems like a channel wholly bereft of #value from my vantage point, so I'll stay clear, was just curios if there are any interesting chat rooms out there. 🙏

I guess you should use steem.chat instead of steemit.chat these days. Things changed.

Ah, much obliged! Indeed, "change" is the only constant in my world. 🙏