In case you missed it, while the rest of the world was remembering the life and work of Stan Lee...failed comedian and political pundit Bill Maher decided to try to piss on it. Here’s excerpts from Maher’s screed about us mourning the loss of comic book icon Stan Lee…
“they’re for kids … and when you grow up you should move on to big-boy books without the pictures.”
He blathered on that around 20 years ago, adults realized … “They didn’t have to give up kid stuff. And so they pretended comic books were actually sophisticated literature.”
“I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to suggest that Donald Trump could only get elected in a country that thinks comic books are important.”
…let’s start at the core here. No one asked Bill, he just saw the outpouring of grief and decided to type out a blog chastising it. Which give us two possibilities. He was, at four decades into a career, trolling for a cheap pop off of someones death or saw this outpouring of grief and it bothered him so much he just had to speak out. I suspect its the first one, but either way, just as one human being seeing the actions of another…this tough to watch. This is not the work of a content human being with a full life and people around him who love him…is it? This is some joyless bitter stuff. And disconnected at that. Hey, all you people out there with mortgages, car payments, hard jobs, and kids to raise…Bill thinks you should start dealing with serious grown up stuff. So go get a copy of some 400 page novel and unwind with that. Doesn’t that sound like fun after a 40 plus hour work week?
It’s a straw dog argument anyway because I didn’t notice anyone talking about whether or not comics are sophisticated literature. You could argue one way or the other, but no one was. They were talking about the profound impact Stan Lee had on our culture and the joy he brought into people’s lives. Bill felt someone need to try to put a stop to that?
…frankly, I’m not even sure I believe Maher believes anything he said, but as long as the dope is serving up a slow pitch down the middle of the plate…
-actually Bill, comics are not nearly the cultural powerhouse they have been. They used to sell in the millions…like the three times Franklin Roosevelt was elected, when Dwight Eisenhower was elected, or when John Kennedy was elected…hell sales are slightly down from when Obama was elected.
-speaking of Obama, he’s mentioned being the fan of a comic book character or two…perhaps you’d like to tell him what an idiot he is and how he should start reading “grown up books”
-once you are done explaining it to Obama…you’d better tell the Smithsonian museum to get ride of their comic book collection.
-Hardly anyone reads a comic book when mulling over who to vote for…way more people listen to political pundits for that. Of which YOU are one. It’s not the fault of comic books that YOU suck at your job.
-He implies comic books are not important, and yet he clearly made this statement in hopes of getting some exposure by trolling the topic. One does this to topics of greater importance than themselves, otherwise the exposure would at best be a zero sum gain. So he has in a sense, told the world that he himself feels he is less important than comic books.
-I seem to recall he bought partial ownership of the NY Mets…that’s a pretty large investment in a baseball team…I guess that doesn’t count as “kid stuff”? It’s defiantly money that could have been donated to the Democrats in 2016. Defiantly more than the price of a comic book.
-In addition to all that I have already thanked “the man” for, I will now also thank Stan Lee for the role his work played in keeping me from becoming a joyless crone like Bill Maher. For F*cks Sake Bill, what do you think we are all fighting for in the end, if not freedom and safety for joy in whatever form we can give it? If life is ONLY about the struggle, then the struggle has no point.
What are you fighting for Bill? Do you even know anymore? Do you think we should all only exist to argue about laws and political leadership and then once we have won…sit in our den reading moby dick in between your show airing? Or are we allowed to have some joy? To make use of the freedoms we fight for by indulging ourselves in childish past times? I know it’s not a book, but Citizen King is a fairly respected work of fiction…you might want to watch it. Pay attention to the end.
I’d guess maybe he’d get the point if he somehow sees this…or maybe he needs some words with pictures?
…Those responses are all, so-so, it’s like batting practice. You can hit one clean out of the stadium and it’s still not that impressive because you were only getting 70mph pitches. and he’s been getting his brains beat out on twitter. As far as trolling goes, it wasn’t very sophisticated. It’s pretty standard- pick something a lot of people like and piss on it- But it’s strangely ineffective. Effective trolling is pissing off half the people but getting the other half to cheer. This just pissed off half the people and got the other half to wonder what he thought he was doing.
I don’t know myself if this was trolling or he really felt he needed to say all this. All I can say for sure is that as far as just being a human being…Bill might be all used up.
anyways...
People like him make me careful of my criticisms. Ending up as a bitter soul is not the kind of fun things I want to be doing at 60.
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There is a difference between criticizing/ranting for the sake of comedic effect or informing and just being a joyless dickhead. Maher has fallen well into the dickhead side.
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I'm not a political person & i really try not to ever be vulgar, but f' Bill Maher! F' him in his stupid @$$!!! #comics
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indeed #comics
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he's really full of himself, what an insufferable person > ___ <
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"insufferable" is a good choice of words. "tiresome" "dreadful" tedious" are good too #comics
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Ehh...I don't think it was either of your postulations really. Have you seen his show? His job is to pick random shit and bitch about it. Basically the same as a professional blogger, but more bitchy than most.
He should have thought better than to bitch about comics after an icon died...but it's not like that argument hasn't been made before.
Comics aren't great works of fiction most times. I have some old comics from the 70's that really suck. And I don't mean lesser known characters.
But that doesn't mean that there aren't great works out there. Comics are a unique form of art that combines drawing with limited story. The end result is not something akin to some great literary work...but something altogether different. It's a combination of literature and visual art that you spend months making your way through, perhaps even years. Sometimes the stories are dumb. Sometimes they're amazing. Sometimes they're just bits in a larger arch.
But it's not like every book is some great literary work. There are tons of shitty books. There are also very short books that are very simplistic stories.
Are we supposed to not appreciate art when we grow older?
And no matter what he says, it is art. The drawings in some of those comics take hours on end for an artist to produce. Some of them might not be that complex, but they have schedules and due dates.
Comics aren't often extremely profound works...but that doesn't mean they can't be. I have enjoyed quite a few comics that have moments that really get to you. The ones that Stan Lee helped create have an overarching message, to kids often yes, of acceptance, and trying to do what's right. They're like fables for the slightly older. And yes, adults can enjoy them. And those adults are free to enjoy whatever they want.
I somehow doubt that Trump supporters are also huge fans of visual novels that focus their stories on acceptance of different people, and being the best person you can be. But hey, I could be wrong. There are certainly comics with characters that are all about just fucking shit up and destroying everything. Maybe we'll find out that Trump is secretly Deadpool in a obese cheeto costume.
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,uhm..what the fuck are you talking about? Have YOU seen his show? He doesn't just pick random shit, he takes news topics and gives his spin on them. He made this statement in direct relation to the death and reaction of the death of Stan Lee...so it is one possibility or the other.
ALSO...you continued on here for almost as long as I blogged, about an aspect of this story that I flat out said was besides the point and that I didn't want to get into. Please don't do that again, it's fucking rude. If that aspect of his comments are important to you...by all means blog about it on your page. but how it works is....I blog about something specific on a subject, you are encouraged to address that, not any dump your two cents on any random fucking facet of the subject in general that's been on your mind ( that's what your page is for). Its a blog, not a title of a forum. get it? ....that shit really drives me nuts
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This came out yesterday
It sucks how much of an ass he is. I enjoy Religulous so much. I think Bill should shut his show off and get behind a more focused project again rather than random Bill thoughts.
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