It's funny that you say that everything is an abstraction, but when I ask you to define motivational forces that push you forward you have nothing to say.
You didn't ask to define motivational forces, you sought to argue that You would be ok with people forcing you to do things or adapt ideas, and that forcing people such as yourself is good for good ideas sake, and ultimately you would be ok with that, you would be ok with people deciding for you, what good idea, when, how and why you will "get".
You have to understand that life is an abstraction and trying to focus on one specific event does not hold much weight.
No, there is nothing abstract about people forcing people. There is nothing abstract about force or violence. It's the very definition of real.
It holds not much weight to you, but thank you for your opinion on how much weight an specific event holds, outside context, or why and how that matters in the conversation.
That event focused on could be an outlier and never happen again.
Yes we can just assume that after all, what is a little bit of force anyway but immoral and wrong.
The notion of a black and white version of life does not exist, and grey areas are almost what makes life what it is.
We weren't talking about version of life, but in this respect it's very black and white what force is. Does it come with some gray areas, HARDLY, it's very much always black and white, 'the person agrees or the person doesn't agree and is threatened or outright forced', there isn't a LITTLE FORCE that is OK. You can force people to wake up so they don't burn alive, no gray area there, you WOKE THEM UP, they would have agreed to that were you to say "do you agree that we should wake each other up if there's a fire" DUH. You can rescue a person that's drowning, but if they wanted to drown and you knew this, and you forced them to shore, that's force, and it's wrong. If a person wishes to do something that hurts nobody else, it's not your fucking business to "rescue" them, capiche?
Life is not knowing what will happen next, it consist of guessing based off of multiple past experiences, these experiences are tied together in what could be called abstract ways because the science of personality and psychology is not perfected.
Again we are not talking about abstract ways that life is, you are assuming that somewhere the conversation was abstract use of force while you refer to using force as a real thing, as in against other's will, it's not an abstraction, stop trying to distort the fact that force is force and a little bit of force is force and force is always wrong if it's not for the defense of you or others.
Nobody was talking about perfect, nobody was talking about the science or personality, we are talking about you claiming that you're ok with people deciding on your behalf and forcing you to do things against your will as a good idea. And we were also talking about how a good idea requires force, or it can be "helped" and not ruined by applying force.
Better wait until I finish one set of questions.