Topic - The Pit Mine (re: gov't/constitutional democracy/enumerated rights & functions)

There's something wrong with this! If you have a document with as many flaws as this...I mean, how can you deal with it in any kind of a feasible way.
posted by snarf, 1 year ago

I daresay the US is almost singlehandedly undermining the very notion of a written constitution
Posted by eddogg1, 1 year ago

But it must be amended…
Posted by Her mum, 1 year ago

Repeatedly!
Posted by snarf, 1 year ago

It has
Posted by wildflowergush, 1 year ago

Hello?
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 6 months ago

Hey...old topic
Posted by snarf, 6 months ago

But still relevant
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 6 months ago

Always
Posted by Eddogg1, 6 months ago

Whatd I miss.?
Posted by C_3_McGoo, 6 months ago

I was just wondering----because you know, around the world people have come to think that if the Americans EE.UU...cannot get this to work...it is easy for our militaries to say: ‘yes well this is why a strong steady hand is needed.’
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 6 months ago

If ur speaking of constitutions there's different kinds. Written, unwritten…
Posted by Her mum, 6 months ago

Were mostly talking written
Posted by Wildflowergush, 6 months ago

Say an old organic society society like Brita you can maybe get away with unwritten bc everyone knows the rules inherently bc they're so closely ingrained with cultural upbringing.
Posted by F., 6 months ago

Yes yes exactly. The rest...we try written. But, what is the eeuu having troubles with? I mean, I know the recently presifent elect
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 6 months ago

Its like the gilded age 1870s all ovet---bought n sold!
Posted by p3911386 a5, 1 month ago

That's part of it...the electoral college is not even democratic.
Posted by eddogg1, 1 month ago

Just for starters. A lot of the stiff is just difficult to change bc of the supermajorities of the states needed to pass. I often glory in the unwritten as the ideal.
Posted by snarf, 1 month ago

But not really feasible in new countries. Lets not rehash
Posted by Her mum, 1 month ago

Then what.. ?
Posted by C_3_McGoo, 1 month ago

So...I see the news. There are a horrific number of shooting deaths in your country.
Posted by Albeughe, 2 weeks ago

Yeah well...so much for bill of rights
Posted by eddogg1, 2 weeks ago

Oh that's not it.
Posted by Her mum, 2 weeks ago

No...just one of them
Posted by eddogg1, 2 weeks ago

You can't just allow people ‘things’
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 2 weeks ago

This isn't religious law were talking about-
Posted by snarf, 2 weeks ago

No. Secular.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 2 weeks ago

Guns
Posted by dil.b.1990, 2 weeks ago

Don't touch...
Posted by Wildflowergush, 2 weeks ago

They're dangerous
Posted by C_3_McGoo, 2 weeks ago

Ur on crime!
Posted by p3911386 a5, 2 weeks ago

Look see...could be anything. But the reverse is also true. Can't prohibit totally.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

Can u prove that?
Posted by snarf, 3 days ago

Which?
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

Either
Posted by snarf, 3 days ago

Well look at alcohol prohibition
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

Booze? C'mon
Posted by snarf, 3 days ago

Guns would be same problem
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

It seems to me one has to be flexible.
Posted by Her mum, 3 days ago

If I could...am example from my own country. For reference as to certain truism. Something of a century ago my country had convened to work out a new constitution. They sought to make it a document of perfect liberal democratic ideals.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

Everyone says that.
Posted by F., 3 days ago

Not quite…
Posted by Her mum, 3 days ago

In any event the emphasis was on ideals.. As in: it would be the perfect theoretical governmental order which sought to guide by inspiration and practical suggestion, than by applying strict regulations.
Many have never heard of this, but once the draft was ratified in convention the plan was implemented and for some years it went off without a hitch or hangnail. Better than that it was practically a smoothly running, peaceful democratic utopia with a free an happy population.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

I've definitely never heard of this.
Posted by C_3_McGoo, 3 days ago

Me neither...it doesn't exist.
Posted by dil.b.1990, 3 days ago

You are right, it does not exist...any longer.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

What happened to it?
Posted by Wildflowergush, 3 days ago

There was something...some cancerous cell, some tumor vuried deep within the document that was so small it was not remarked upon at all and entirely overlooked in convention.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

How can that happen?
Posted by snarf, 3 days ago

There are theories...but we are beings animate in a physical world and as this is mostly our reality we take it for granted thAt it conforms to us. It, in fact as well as practice, really does not.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

What was this tumor?
Posted by eddogg1, 3 days ago

Nothing much. The was a mere sentence as I say in the midst and mixed in with beautifully wrought ideals of harmonious legalize. The most perfect that our country best minds could provide….and we've a few very good schools and trade unions which, while we are a small country, do manage to produce some very good talent. A few even world class.
But this tumor made only a brief largesse of 1 square kilometer of land in memory to our fallen soldiers and officials and brave citizens who had sacrificed for our country.
It was set aside and a beautiful park was established, a little wAys outside the capital, it was gorgeous and tranquil and contained many lovely arbors and statues and markers and flowers all in good faith commemoration and it was a very popular spot for picnicers and families and the like.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 3 days ago

And?
Posted by eddogg1, 2 days ago

Are you still there?
Posted by eddogg1, 2 days ago

I am sorry, something urgent came up I was forced to attend to.
And so yes, it was ideal as I say. But in time and not much people begin to disagree more and more. And to try to claim some high ground as it were politicians and preachers and activists of the time and demagogues began using the park to stage their speeches and rallies and the like.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 1 day ago

Why?
Posted by p3911386 a5, 1 day ago

Because it was the only physical thong in the entire law of our land and as such it became sacred. People regrettably need things to cling to in a world and life that is often out of sorts and seemingly spiraling as time moves on and we age and fail to get to grips with it and death we know we merely put off by ignorance.
People as t to leave their own mark...their own memorial for ego assuasion even when not everyone is worthy of one...but we should not say that.
At any rate people staked their claim to our beautiful park and that was
Posted by El*Condor, 1 day ago

What?
Posted by p3911386 a5, 1 day ago

Hey are you still there?
Posted by Her mum, 1 day ago

I must apologize...something has come up and I cannot put it off. I will return to this when I am able.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 12 hours ago

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Posted by ElCondordeLey, 6 hours ago

What is this?? This is what El…. Posted...
Posted by snarf, 4 hours ago

What is it?
Posted by eddogg1, 4 hours ago

Its a put mine or something.
Posted by dil.b.1990, 4 hours ago

Hey El…. What up.? Why'd you post this photo of a giant hole in the ground.
Posted by snarf, 4 hours ago

Gates of hell…
Posted by eddogg1, 4 hours ago

I am sorry for the delay
That pit of he'll is pur park...what happened to it. Contests for supremacy of the 1 real thing mentioned by Const. Law followed closely on the heels of competing rallies. Then. CLashes and blood was soon shed on our sacred patch.
Almost as a by relic people began scooping up buckets and wheeling away barrows of the soul..well the soil, pero the Soul u could say, & the flowers. Trees. What wasn't decimated was devastated by pitched battles...several full wars were fought over that spotof ground.
Till what you see is what you get .
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 2 hours ago

Jesus.. You people are Lu antics.
Posted by snarf, 2 hours ago

Many countries are simply not able to control themselves.
Posted by Her mum, 2 hours ago

You may think so….but whY it really was is no different from what you Americans e.u are e periencing now. Particularly with guns. Any time you try to fully permit or prohibit (& this by ultimate diktat) any thing….this same or similar sad conclusion will unfold.
We cannot help ourselves, but you can help yourselves by keeping physical things out of a document like a constitution.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 2 hours ago

What did u all do?
Posted by Wildflowergush, 2 hours ago

Attempted reform but the old a cords were too badly broken and we've never been able to amend our country since...tho many have tried.
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 2 hours ago

What one is it?
Posted by Wildflowergush, 2 hours avo

I am sorry I really must go. I don't know when I shall be able to take this up. If I can..
Posted by ElCondordeLey, 2 hours ago

Do you think he's coming back?
Posted by F., 1 hour ago

Idk...I'm looking at a map of all the armed or civil conflicts in the world and suspect there's at least an even money chance we won't hear from him again…
Posted by snarf, 30 minutes ago