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sadekj (58) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing @rok-sivante. I had so many similar experiences. So, I have decided to invest (long term) not trade (short term), and to systemize not improvise!

Investing means you study a cryptocurrency thoroughly, and then if you find that it has a good value for the long run, you buy in it. If its price falls down, you don't panic, but instead, you buy more.

Similarly, if you miss a top, you don't have any regrets because you did not want to sell any way.

I found that investing saved me so much time, effort and anxiety, and best of all, it made me more money eventually.

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mal402 (53) · 7 years ago

Agreed!

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manjix (25) · 7 years ago

Holding it long term is definitely a better way to trade as its less stressful and doesn't psychologically impact you that hard. I bought like around $400 worth of crypto to start day trading and as a result I've been insomniac these days while barely averaging out a $10 or more gain daily. I've had no experience in trading prior to this.

Oh the other hand, the other crypto I bought for $10 as a joke and pretty much forgotten about has brought me almost 5x return as of today.

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wintermute (38) · 7 years ago

Same here! Just dumb luck on my part!

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

word.

I also favor the long-term investment approach over trading. not as much adrenaline, but alot less stress and has indeed produced some great results over the last year...

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bitcoinbill (37) · 7 years ago

I finally started holding long term more then trading and the results are unbelievable. No more rushing to take a 10% gain. I will not buy a coin that I'm not willing to hold for a while. That's when i started making money and stopped stressing.

I have a system now.

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mal402 (53) · 7 years ago

That's the way to do it. Same for me man. No more headache.. Just headaches about finding more money to dump in haha :D

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sadekj (58) · 7 years ago

Very well said. I am trying to convince fellow Steemians that this is the best approach. I mean you should not follow the herds selling or buying without knowing why.

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dali.soh (50) · 7 years ago

Take of the downside and the upside will take care of itself.

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freedomnation (57) · 7 years ago (edited)

The main issue with trading is that it so similiar to gambling. Sometimes I don't see a difference between roulette and trading on exchange. Both have similiar rewards psychology questions: should I sell now? I already made so much. But then the greed comes and you become blind for reality. That's why one should buy when everyone is selling and sell when everyone is buying. Just don't go that gamblers psychology path people. Especially if you have basic human needs to cover.:) @rok-sivante

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

depends on one's level of insight, skill, and focus.

if someone is new and doesn't know a whole lot about the territory, similar to gambling, yes. but the more one gets immersed in the markets and learns about market behavior, the less risky because they're taking calculated risks with an intentional strategy, set objectives, and principles governing the decision making process.

though, it also requires a certain psychological profile to manage being able to execute such strategies effectively. personally, as stated in one of the other comments above, my preferred strategy in crypto is buy-and-hold for long-term investment, in projects I morally align with and whose vision I support.

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michiel (68) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing! I think it is better to change the Steem dollars into other crypto's (including SP). Crypto's are meant to go up and SD to be stable.

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thegame68 (49) · 7 years ago

Please follow me so that I get some motivation as I am new here

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

that would be false motivation. true motivation, you must cultivate from the inside... ;-)

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mal402 (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks for sharing!

I feel you 100% on this. I have had my own crypto chaos, with the accompanying regret and anxiety over potential gains and losses. Every time I have to tell myself to go back to the lessons gained approach. It's the only way to move foward, especially for those of us that may believe we missed on hundreds of millions by refusing btc in its nascent days when given the chance. In my case, I had a roommate that asked me thirty times over the course of 3 years, starting when it was at 10 cents XD. Needless to say I refused hahaha.

Anyway, In addition to keeping the learning in mind, I also think about the old Daoist adage about never knowing... never knowing much of anything to be exact... but especially about a decision as we don't know what will come.. maybe it's a bubble (it's not) and will burst tomorrow, so all my heartache today is for not.. Either way.. keep calm, smile and keep chugging on. You won't know if you made a bad decision for years anyway, and if you did, who knows what would have happened then. Maybe the money corrupts you and you would have been happier without it.. who knows...

It's in my opinion that whether we take the lesson on investing or not, the important thing is we aren't arrogant enough to pretend we know what's going to happen tomorrow. If you want to keep investing, GET A PLAN, keep going, and try not to beat yourself over the head when you miss out. In the crypto market, as long as you invest you're going to make a return better than the wall street.

Cheers mate. I have followed you ;).

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krypto101 (49) · 7 years ago

I usually Hodl 90% of assets and 10% on exchange just to play around with emotions...just my rule

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krypto101 (49) · 7 years ago

Btw very good post...great read

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bba (43) · 7 years ago

Trading tends to bring out all kinds of emotions - hope, anxiety, greed, despair, joy etc. The worst is Regret because this mental state is like a void that sucks you in. It kills your confidence and makes you indecisive. When you become indecisive, you tend to make the wrong decisions which leads to more regrets and the cycle continues. So to overcome this, you need to let go of every bad decision you made and stay focused on what you aim to accomplish next. This is how I program my thoughts and move forward.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

well-stated.

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tarakki (53) · 7 years ago

great job upvoted / followed

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waphilip (63) · 7 years ago

They say the mark of a good trader is not how much he gains in returns, but how little he has lost. Psychology is soooooo important when it come to being a successful trader. Best advice i've received while trading crypto was that the people who buy and hold have never lost money. It sounded like you were in a bind tho, and I would have made the same mistake haha

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j0z0r (27) · 7 years ago

Very insightful

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waphilip (63) · 7 years ago

Hey thanks my dog!

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litecoin9000 (28) · 7 years ago

Awesome post 💯🔥💕 Just out of curiosity... What are your views on litecoin? (This question is for everyone)

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

mmm... I had a little bit for a while, but sold because I wouldn't really use it myself much and would prefer to store value in other projects that I resonate more with...

i.e. LTC is moreless just another coin, versus a token whose ecosystem - such as Steem, Bitshares, or Ethereum - has alot more possibilities for what can be built out on it versus a currency function alone.

Bitcoin is obviously the leader, due to popularity, and as such inherent value in that. I guess Litecoin might have potential advantages, especially since switching over to the Lightning Network, which could increase its practical utility value - though at the time I sold, it was only supposed to be 4x faster than Bitcoin, which didn't seem that huge of an advantage, in comparison with how fast ETH or Graphene is in comparison.

I couldn't find enough info on the strategic roadmap for LTC and where the team is intended to take it, how to integrate into global economies and ecosystems - not a clear long-term big vision. Comparatively, I could see how huge Ethereum is blowing up to with its widespread adoption - and I believe strongly in alot of the projects and teams building on it, so rather would hold my funds in ETH for moral support alone, aside from profit potential - same going for the other tokens in my portfolio...

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itachi (46) · 7 years ago

I think the best thing is, if you truly believe in this platform ie Steemit! Just leave your money in! Steemit is picking up faster than ever and our SBD/Steem will be worth more :)

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ghostcode (55) · 7 years ago

Leave it in, let it grow! I forced myself out the game by investing into Steem today instead of day-trading all day, all night. Like someone else said, only have 10% on Bittrex. Less emotional, not checking Blockfolio every 5 minutes.

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itachi (46) · 7 years ago (edited)

Exactly! It's like my dad when he says don''t short because it gives you unnecessary stress. He usually goes long on long-term blue chip dividend stocks that he doesn't need to bat an eye on every second! Followed~

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ghostcode (55) · 7 years ago

Smart advice, and if you do short you have to keep your finger on the trigger, a sniper trade. Good thing I stayed away from margin trading otherwise I would be broke by now. Thanks for the follow, followed back, cheers.

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larksongbird (62) · 7 years ago

This is the best comment I have seen here!

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Steem (Power), yes. Though seems like may as well cash out SBD while it's well-above it's peg. And diversification in any investment strategy is always wise...

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vodenoff (45) · 7 years ago

its long term investment if you want to make profit from cryptocurrency :)

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tecnosgirl (66) · 7 years ago

the age old question on when to sell? I figure this way when I need money I am gonna sell, I hope to sell high and yes I will be watching to try to get the best price, but if I need the money, regardless of what I get it is more than what I had.

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arcaneinfo (62) · 7 years ago

Enjoyed this post!

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skrzypietz (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

thanks for sharing the information

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hamzaasaf (41) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing

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cryptobarry (58) · 7 years ago

I am often filled with sell regret. It is a hard obstacle to overcome psychologically.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

as stated in one of the other comments above, regret is quite the killer...

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clysse (47) · 7 years ago

I had the same situation as you, being greedy wanted to hold and wait for more. I guess I should make fast decision instead of hesitating when trading. But for me, it's still hard to predict when it will go to the highest or lowest.

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timsnaj (35) · 7 years ago

Nice article, I completely agree. Set emotions aside when trading/investing. Think about what WILL happen, not what you WANT to happen. Changing my way of thinking to the perspective from what I want to happen to what 'will' happen (research) increased my ROI significantly.

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moneybags (49) · 7 years ago

Just hang on and enjoy the ride!

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larksongbird (62) · 7 years ago

Yeah, that is some good advice for anyone getting into the trading game, have rules and follow them. Just like going to a casino!

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cryptocharts (48) · 7 years ago

Technical Analysis is key for financial markets prediction..it will help in Range bound & sideways situations
Nice

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catotune (50) · 7 years ago

Agreed that a system is essential for reducing your stress and giving focus to your trading decisions. I give myself some leeway though to follow my hunches - after all trading should be fun too.

P.S. Upvoted because of studious cat GIF ;)

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magick323 (54) · 7 years ago

I could see Steem going up to $10 or more. There is a new found excitement over HF19. By HF20 (lol) every crypto warrior will want in. Just a thought.

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wannerbet (39) · 7 years ago

Inspired !

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firepower (79) · 7 years ago

This was a great post @rok-sivante! Thanks for sharing :)

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eltooni (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

Look these crypto currencies are needed, you cannot have it monopolized just by bitcoin, people will need other currencies to be more secured and to have more chances to win from fluctuation.

I myself believe that this is the time of the internet millionaires/billionaries. We just have to use it and i am not meaning the ones that are CEOs of these ideas. I mean us the little people who can benefit from them.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

feedback: implement proper grammar.

first half of this very difficult to read because you've got three sentences sandwiched into one without any commas or periods.

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eltooni (53) · 7 years ago

True, sorry about that was using my terrible phone and was not giving the grammar the proper attention

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jindass (43) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing great job

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talltim (57) · 7 years ago

In my own trading career, I'd have to say the hardest thing is dealing with your own emotions and rationalizations.

You really are trading against yourself every time you put on a position.

A system can help, and the discipline to stick with it. But I've blown out a few accounts learning the hard way about second guessing my plan or just trading out of "gut feel" for a situation.

Thanks for your post, it was helpful getting another perspective from a fellow trader.

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shango (56) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing your experience.

When I started crypto trading, I was extremely disciplined doing everything the right way, making profits and it got to a point when I made $400 off one trade. I was happy about it but greed came into play and I did trades that lost $300 of what I made.

As long as work learn from our mistakes then good is to come.

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joshua-pace (46) · 7 years ago

Thank you for posting @rok-sivante. I needed to hear this. I'm new to cryptos as well as trading and I think i rely too heavily on my "gut". Now that same gut it telling me that it's going to get me into trouble ;) Cheers.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Perhaps. But sometimes wisdom can only come through trouble. Learning curves can be shortened, but some lessons we still have to learn through trial and error for ourselves...

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cyberwolf (49) · 7 years ago

I figured that you really need 1-2 good trades a month based on the monthly hype wave. For me the biggest problem is overtrading.

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kevinrussell (35) · 7 years ago

This was great. Thanks @rok-sivante Helped ground me in this week of all RED :)

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wintermute (38) · 7 years ago

I'm too lame brained to trade, so I just hold. Love the GIFs!

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shiv123 (46) · 7 years ago

Trading is stressful only if the objectives are not clear. if planned well on the profit margin it can do wonders.
i would agree with @sadekj a long term investment after studying a cryptocurrency and the problem i can solve in future is highly rewarding.

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thatadvocate (46) · 7 years ago

I bought into Siacoin at 667, it dropped to 600, went up to 630, sold it because I knew it'd go back to 600 as it was already dropping to 622.
It instead stated going up to 640, 650, and then I bought in again thinking it was going to the moon and I'd have just fucked myself.
Then it dropped to 530~
Fuck me.
And that's why I never listen to other people telling me to get into a market, like I did yesterday or the day before with Sia. Other people are fucking stupid. If I had listened to myself before I'd have gotten the BAT hike a few days prior, and if I had listened a day or two ago the Ethereum classic hype.
But I trusted a dirty non-me and their advise.
Never again.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

sometimes some advice is worth consideration, though t'is wise to always be discerning in who it's coming from, why they are offering it, and what your risk tolerance is - always fully-acknowledging they could be misinformed.

you can always trust - that people will be who they are, flawed, with self-interest... at that point, it's much easier to remain neutral and objective - considering what others say, but with a higher awareness to separate the substance from the bullshit, and make one's decisions oneself...

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cryptomania1 (40) · 7 years ago

Haha so true man!

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knowledgebroker (36) · 7 years ago

after extensive experience with commodity trading - my advise would be not to speculate with cryto's / blockchain based "tokens", but in vest in the (mid-) long term for true returns

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