RE: Venezuela announced that it plans/hopes to launch a new cryptocurrency named “The Petro”.

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Venezuela announced that it plans/hopes to launch a new cryptocurrency named “The Petro”.

in cryptocurrency •  7 years ago  (edited)

I'm glad you've got the reference now! And you're correct—it isn't about "governing" via some kind of homeostatic network like under Allende w/ proyecto cybersyn. I was logging off last night, but after reading your post I wanted you to have that citation, and so I ended up being lazy in my comment. :)

What I meant is that if this does end up working with an actual blockchain beneath it—I agree with you that it's a digital currency as it's framed here—the cliché of neoliberal Latin American nations' tethering of their sovereignty to nationalized petrol in the neoliberal era will come to be kind of a piecemeal effort. Under Allende, the cybernetic model was conceived through a more "performative" branch of British cybernetics (vs. US-based cybernetics, led by Norbert Weiner; a few economists like Axel Leijonhufvud also tinkered in late 1960s–early 1970s w/ Keynesian cybernetics—squashed I would say by 1973 w/ the birth of Black-Scholes-style derivatives/speculation) with the technical aspect of the politics being spearhead by Stafford Beers (Andrew Pickering does an amazing job historicizing this distinction in The Cybernetic Brain). They were imagining the nation-state under market socialism as a homeostatic brain-like organism—from bread to pearls, the data center was "sensing" all commodities. It'll look so different in Venezuela if this actually becomes a thing.

I also can't but help think about the coup of Allende and the detrimental effects of neoliberal economics in the Americas; I'm suspect of this project, but god I wish Latin America could innovate conceptually and technically to get out from under the IMF et. al.

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Oh god, I just looked at the actual comment again after replying—apologies for basically writing a blog post here on your feed! I'm just kinda thirsty for good exchange on the steem blockchain.

I spend most of my time reading academic papers --- in the weeds with math and data analytics --- and not much time for books.

I'm also one of those people who finds sitting around and debating an esoteric idea just fundamentally uninteresting. If the idea has merit, find a way to implement or test it. Can't figure that out? Let's have a discussion on that (and then you actually do the work, because otherwise you've just wasted my time). What is politely referred to as "practical".

I also recognize that there are important, human questions that can't be answered with this approach: that's where my work ends and the work of others begin.

I do look forward to having conversations in the future though! It's interesting to think of blockchain as perhaps leading to a 2nd wave of attempts at centrally planned economies...

I def forget sometimes that economists aren’t in a “book field.” I’m in American Studies, and economic intellectual history is one of my favorite things to learn about. nice meeting ya, doc!

Some are! I definitely don't want to leave you with the impression that all economists are the same as I am. Economics is a wonderfully strange field so it's always tricky to infer that you've met a stereotypical economist.

I'm definitely on the math/data/computational side of the spectrum, but Econ History or Econ Philosophy folks are solidly on the book side.

And it's the technical stuff with which I'm most unfamiliar—b/c, you know, I'm not an economist. ;) Anyhow, I'll definitely be posting along the intellectual history side a lot here, so—like a shy undergrad in office hours—might I ask for a follow? I'd love some additional accountability to the facts from you! Sort of a peer review, but peer-to-peer on the blockchain.

My apologies!! I honestly thought I followed you before I typed my response. Thanks for catching that. Now I will go back and check that everyone I intended to follow is, in fact, being followed.

Thanks!

I’d upvote this, but I’m recharging my voting power (I get why this is a thing in the steem economy, but lord that sounds absurd to me, still). In lieu of a few cents (USD), here’s an emoji promissory note on upvotes to come: 👨‍💻