Manually voting has some benefits to it than autovoting. After almost 2 years voting pretty much daily, with @ocd helping me find reliable and great undervalued content, I wanted to talk a bit about why I prefer manually voting.
You may be aware that autovoting might give you better returns, you just use steemauto or steemvoter to set up your daily votes on your favorite authors at a good post age to get a nice return knowing they usually make a good amount of post rewards. Without getting into how much better ROI it is to delegate to bid bots nowadays than curating in general, let's think about the pros and cons of manually curating vs. autocurating.
Being active on the platform daily and everything pretty much being public and open-source combined with a lot of stats and reports you can check up on, you see a great deal of things going down. One thing that I have noticed and may be guilty myself of doing (although I try hard not to) is abusing your autovotes. Let's face it, a lot of authors that know they have autovotes waiting on them as long as they post pretty much anything will at some point start posting pretty much anything without the care of the quality. They often get so used to them that they take it for granted, stop caring about interaction on their posts or about the social aspect of the platform. It becomes like a job and grind to them. There are rare cases that those who already are too lazy to curate that they have to set an autovoter notice this change in behavior in the authors they are "curating" and remove them from their list. For a manually voter this is not the case as most of what they vote on they have read it or at least taken a glance upon it.
Another thing that autovoters might not be aware of is what the authors do with the rewards. Many on the platform still use the platform socially, i.e. when they grow in SP they make sure to curate broader and help out others that are smaller than them or newer to the platform. Unfortunately there are also many that just don't care, they've either made deals with the autovoters to return part of their rewards back to them off-chain or just use them to grow their stake in other currencies they are more interested in or believe will be of more profit in the short-term.
Before we get too deep into that, there is nothing wrong with powering down. It's your stake, you've earned it - but at the end of the day there are a lot more authors that are earning stake on the platform in a much more complicated way than you might be. To someone like me, I would much more prefer to reward those that believe in the platform and stay powered up and I believe might do good with their stake in the coming future - than those who are just extracting value from the token. This should be something more people think about.
I've had discussions with people telling me that they are just placing their SP and SBD into another token they believe will grow soon to then be able to switch it back into SP in time. Although this may be true in some cases it can just be an excuse to counter my initial motivation to reward them. Its not that I go out of my way to check transaction history of accounts before I curate their content, but if I notice some constantly just powering down and never powering up - I don't think its strange that I don't feel like rewarding these users for their content as much as somebody else. The case for "I'll power up once X goes up" is not the best excuse either, if you have noticed the markets - things can change rather quickly and there won't always be a lot of liquidity on exchange to allow you to quickly jump back into SP.
To me at a time like this where SBD is so overvalued, I don't really understand the need to power down your account at all - unless you want to power it up onto another account for different reasons. Most of the time it just tells me that you don't believe in the future of the platform and are just using your current position with autovotes, etc, to trade the value you earn here into another project or (worst case scenario) into stupid deflationary money. :)
I personally can't remember the last time I powered down, even though I am making good rewards with SBD I try and power some of it up every now and then, it baffles me that not more users are taking this unexplainable situation with overvalued SBD to grow their stake in this (in my opinion) undervalued currency. I feel like Steempower will be something that many will strive for in the future to have, it is after all a tool to decide how and how much you influence the future rewards of the blockchain that is constantly going down in amounts. By 2038 there will only be around 750 million Steem in existence and the daily SP being generated will be almost 20x less than today. I believe many, like those that sold during the 10-20 cent era will have big regrets for having sold today. That of course depends on the future of the platform and how well the team will work to make it come true.
Everything in life is a risk, I realize that I may be one of those taking a big one by keeping my SP powered up constantly but to this day I have yet to see a blockchain with more potential and a chance at real world adoption come to life than the one I've placed my biggest bet on currently.
I realize I may have drifted off the manual vs automatic curation discussion. This kinda tends to happen when I free write posts, but I do believe that these two discussions go hand in hand and I am hoping that in the near future people will be more careful about who they reward with their influence. After 7 days when the rewards are paid out there is no way to take them back and reconsider, that is one of the big pros of the platform and we have to try our best to not make it a big con.
Maybe the rest of the curation thoughts will take place in another post.
Thanks for reading, as always feel free to discuss this post in the comment section and ask anything that's on your mind. I may not always have the time to reply or read everyone's comment but I really try my best to.
This had me thinking. One thing have observed over the months is that most people coming into the platform are coming for the money. Their activities on steemit, if it isn't profitable to them, they don't do it, regardless of how positively it might affect others.
I was talking to a friend earlier today, I asked him why he hasn't been active on the platform, he replied by saying the current value of SBD wasn't as it used to be, it has plummeted. He went in to say he is seriously considering powering down since Steem is more valuable.
Most of us came for the money, but we changed our minds, when we understood what steemit stood for. It's a community helping each other, and it's just so beautiful.
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I’m fine with people coming here for the money... They should Also learn to give and contribute along their journey. Steemit system was designed that way.
I truly believe that if we as a community can identify these self serving steemit account and stop interacting with them.
Also the steemit world has more good people than bad people. Let’s together peacefully kick out those self serving steemit accounts from our world :-)
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I totally agree with you @nathanmars. As one gives , one takes . Givers never lack they say . The kind hearted makes the platform goes around and of course the inactive users are not worthy of rewards . I agree with you
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Besides I saw you unfollowed me lol, have I done you any wrong ?
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I never unfollow good people.lol
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Awww that’s sweet to hear, thanks for the follow back so that makes me a good person . Yay!!! Nice to meet you, I’m Mide , a singer { Reggae singer}
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tienes todo la razón amigo todos deberíamos ayudarnos para tener una mejor sociedad dentro y fuera de steemit saludos de parte de @hazard1
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Thanks for the post @acidyo. Yeah I do enjoy Manuel Curating/Commenting myself . Or as I like to refer to it as doing a little C&C :)
Two main reasons why I prefer Manuel to Auto...
First, I truly do love interacting with other Steemians' on their blogs and adding to the Discussion ( if I can't I usually won't Comment). I did similar things with Forum posting for the last 10 years or so at MMO and Fitness forums. It's something that I always enjoyed. I learn a lot from others and I think I can also offer insight and experience to help some as well. So I just have loved doing that with Forums
And now with Steemit I get paid to do it... and that is a huge, huge exciting thing I know it's not a lot but heck find me a better place doing something similar. It's revolutionary imho!
Plus, also with auto vote Iam not going to 'blindly' Reward anyone with out seeing the Content. I just want to see what Iam voting for. Even if it is a Steemian I really trust their quality, well for some reason it's almost like a knee jerk reaction that I just have to see it first. Weird, I know lol
Secondly, when you do Manuel Curating/Commenting you really are building such a better rapport than if you just auto vote people and never take the time to visit their blog to Comment and add to the ongoing topic.
Iam relatively new compared to some folks but I think with building this rapport and engaging with others ....well as a byproduct of this you will only help yourself. i.e. gaining more Followers,more clicks going to your blog, more visibility and also just building up general Credibility and Authority by the insight you can offer
So you start to build up your name pretty effectively when interacting on others' blogs.
Anyway, along with the one quality blog post a day that I do , Iam going to continue my Manuel Curating and Commenting. .Iam adding new Steemians' every week to my 'Manuel Trail' who are quality producers of Content. ( Which I also love finding 'new diamonds in the rough' )
It does take Time but it is just so worth it to me :) I mean I can honestly say C&C has turned into something that is as enjoyable to me as watching my fav tv show or going to play golf.
That's when you truly realize you are EXACTLY where you're supposed to be. Steem on :)
Again , really good and thought provoking post ;)
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You said it right here. It's mainly about building up quality relationships and quality communication by being genuine and real to other humans! That is the real value of the Steemit blogging site. Since everyone is watching these days and can analyze our every action. People are getting tired of many of the inhuman things we see these days like companies that has no way of contacting a real human. It's very alien and creepy. We do not want to talk to a bot we want a real human with thoughts and emotions so we can build up trust and relationships.
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I myself have never powered down and have so far only converted sbd to more steem power. I want to accumulate sp. I have also never used an autovoter. I like to cruise my feed, read the post and vote. It's just more fun that way. I do sell some voting power to smart steem so I can earn a little bit. I invested as much as I could in Steem and want to keep moving in a positive direction. It's very difficult to earn from posts when nobody seems to read them lol.
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I agree, @cflclosers!
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I guess the best model will be some 30% 30% 30% buckets to spread yourself out a little bit. Since clearly automate some stuff has it's benefis. Since the output of amazing content I would say is still too little so it makes sense to sell some upvotes. But the ideal would be so much good content that we always can do manual curation if we want.
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I believe in the platform and I not only invest back my SBD into steem with the dream of reaching dolphin (well I just recently graduated into minnow and working to get my 1st 1k) so that I can spread my vote farther. I also invest my time as I make sure I reply to each comment and reward good comment a with upvotes and making sure they are past the dust threshold. I am a minnow afterall haha .
I network, I help build Communities and one of which is the Promo-mentors who has the mission to help retain people by supporting projects and people with our community vote. I am so sure of the level of quality of the posts that they support that it is one of the few Community trails that I follow. Majority of my votes go to manual curation.
I upvote an upwards to 700 votes a way of almost 300 account that I interact. This shows because I am in the top 10 engagers in Asher's league of Engagement.
I admit though that there are some accounts on my auto vote and half of the reason is knowing they do good posts and thus I get good curation rewards and the other half is because I have made some human connection with them.
SBDs that I earn only go to power ups, some Charity works and once every 3 months as a reward to myself in a form of a book or a video game.
I am in Steem and will continue to be a content creator, content curator, and investor.
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Autovotes, what a luxury.
I have also noticed some authors I follow have fallen in the trap of riding their autovotes. In all honesty, the crap or on average “Meh” quality they have started to publish - almost all of them - serves as a constant reminder to not stoop as low and abuse the goodwill of those who support.
Maybe I’m weird but - even with so many reward bots out there currently - I still prefer working at a post and hopefully earn an upvote because people see the effort which has gone into writing.
It’s just... more rewarding.
More honorable.
That said, I don’t have any
significantautovotes so I can’t say if I would actually misuse them. Although I doubt I would. Quality is a reputation. I like looking at my feed and being proud of the effort put in.I’m truly curious now whether $10 combined autovotes would affect that or would push me to deliver even better content. It’s definitely an interesting problem to have.
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If I ever use autovotes you'll be on them. :P
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. Words like these are inspiring and mean much more than an autovote often does.
An upvote should IMHO be earned, not taken for granted.
Btw... since I don’t politic not use bidbots I would be a poor choice and drain on your autovoting ROI. Better chose recidivist bidbots users for autovotes. :P
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I tend to not vote on people that use bid bots. :p
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I agree, but a lot of time goes into promoting your posts in various discord channels, choosing the right tags and the timing of the post. Time that would be better spent to further improve on the quality of the posts. Hivemind will be such a revolutionary update.
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I agree with you, @fknmayhem, on the satisfaction of creating a good post. I write for people to read it, not to get a little uptick.
And I also agree with you, @street.yoga -- there's so much time spent trying to figure out timing, tags and Discord... it takes away from the time to devote to creating.
Great post and discussion-starter, @acidyo!
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Don’t expect too much from Hivemind. The more you expect the more you set yourself up for disappointment.
Lots indeed requires mega promotion but that’s not different from maintaining your own blog, self-hosted or hosted by a blogging platform.
It’s not because you wrote it that the hordes will storm down your front page to read you.
When I still managed an indie blog network, we spent thousands every month to promote and boost newly launched blogs and lesser known sites. Some sites were old and lucky enough to be in main aggregators (like Techmeme) or had many RSS subs but that was the result of them being written by authors with a large network. Not just because of the content published. Other times that happened because we invested in promoting those sites.
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Everything else than a custom google search will already be satisfactory :)
I still think that steem Inc. is interested in a better way to find content, not guided by wealth but by talent, see this introduction of a good person token, which together with hivemind sounds like an interesting approach:
https://steemit.com/steem/@nairadaddy/good-person-token-something-big-is-coming-from-steemit-inc
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Those are announcements, not actually shipped elements/code.
Communities have been announced since 2016 IIRC. A mobile app (iOS) was announced as ready at SteemFest 2017.
I also think you need to understand what Steemit.com and GPT are: they are the centralized roll-out models which aim to create traction and inspire others to build more gateways. I wrote about that here.
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You have a warm heart for someone living in such a cold country.
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lol this might be one of the best compliments I've ever received :D
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You also have kind eyes sir <3
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Just saw you seem to live in Finland. Estonia here! I was shocked how cold Helsinki was compared to Tallinn when I did a quick visit once haha.
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The numbers are really staggering if you ponder them for a bit. Right now, we’ve got Steem inflation at under 9% a yearat the same time that the number of accounts increases by more than 9% a month.
Over the next several years, vastly larger numbers of accounts will have an interest in competing for not all that much more Steem.
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9% account growth looks incredible but what is your opinion that we have 60k interacting users for months?
Do you think in 2038 steem will be still alive?
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My crystal ball is cracked. I really can’t answer that. I do think the Steem blockchain has immense potential. If there’s even a 1% chance that it will be thriving 20 years from now, I think it’s a good bet to build up some Steem Power now. It’s a chance that I’m more than happy to take.
Sure, maybe it will fail spectacularly. But if it succeeds, all of us here now will be very pleased that we took a chance on it.
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I hear you, man. I'm balls deep into steem. But you didn't tell your personal opinion on 60k users. Why is soo constant all the time? Coincidence?
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Well it’s been churning along at 60-70k for several months now, but last year it was churning along at 25-30k for at least as long. But then spiked upward at about the same time that the price of Steem had that brief boom market. Just a guess, but that might be more correlation than coincidence. If the next big rally yields a double-digit price for Steem, the number of active users could spike again.
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It looks like Koreans started buying again today.
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달에 가라.
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I can feel your heart pains poured out through this post and believe me you’ve said what aches the mind of so many others . You see the issue of auto upvote has been an experience I witnessed myself . This took me back to when I just joined Steemit, I joined with a friend on the same day and one way or the other which I do not know. He was put on auto upvote, we both make post everyday him making more than 3 everyday because 1. He’s on auto upvote 2. He posts either a selfie or a meme and he earns on it big time. Being humanly I was feeling jealous and discouraged cause all I earn is 3 to 10 cents on post I spend the whole day writing. But it struck me this is me working for my future and I know 60% on steemit started with nothing or any upvote but they are good today. I summoned courage and things went on until the auto upvote stopped someday. It has stopped since then and he’s back to what I faced then . He got to lazy and when he couldn’t deal with 3cents I earn he left the platform.
With all this being said and done , I totally agree with you that manual upvoting is the best. Those that are powering down are just not being observant, lately I was trying to get an account for someone and I saw the payment option. You see it was free before and now there’s option of payment. This is a sign that it could only get better. I agree that people will strive to have steempower in the future but I’m glad I’m part of the platform now and I can only grow with the platform.
Thanks for this I could call a national concern
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One could argue that a payment option is the opposite of a good thing.. say, an argument from the point of view that if the community and service as a whole was working as intended, account creation 'fees' would be non-existent,.. aren't the witnesses making enough money on the crypto side that they can afford to give away accounts free? There are multiple points to argue here.. selfish desires could and should be at the forefront of the conversation.. charging for accounts as applied to a powering down as a cost to run the service, for instance.
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Auto upvote becomes like a salary and it breeds entitlement eventually. It will slowly destroy your work ethic. It will make you less observant and be put to sleep more. We humans are wired to live in a tribe and djungle where everday some exciting stuff can go down. That is when we feel the most alive. Not when some zookeeper comes and gives us the food. It breeds learned helplessness.
We like to do work and feel like we have truly earned something. It feels awkward when we know we truly didn't work for the money. Once you become excited about getting 1 cent that's when you know you are not an entitled person anymore. And that is when the universe will start giving you more and more and more...
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I totally agree with you my friend . Autoupvotes hinders pure energy radiation, pure content creation from steemians
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I mean, shit happens where you might just need the money. If you're in unfortunate circumstances or out of work and on here, I can understand powering down for a few weeks if you need the money. I'll probably have to power down for a week or two within the coming months so I can afford to put a deposit down on an apartment since I have to move within the next 2-3 months.
I think for bigger people on here who are either big dolphins or whales, that's probably not the type of thing you'd have to worry about. So, I can understand why you'd view it like that. I always wonder if a person is leaving the platform/lost faith in it if they're powering down, so I think that's just something we automatically assume most of the time.
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Yeah it was written while thinking of those really. There are of course many other reason to power down as well like wanting to sell at a potential upcoming top to buy back at the bottom, etc.
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I figured it was, since I think most of all of the prominent/well known users on here are either a large dolphin or whale. I just was throwing it out there for people similar to my size and possibly the reasoning for their powering down and what not. I have quite a bit of hope in Steemit and would like to grow as much as possible, but sometimes things get pretty rough around here and I gotta use some of my power to get by for a few months. I'm sure a lot of people around 1.5-3k Steem power are in the same boat.
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@acidyo , i noticed that most users dont understand the concept of steem witness , so i made a content to explain about it and how to vote a witness check it out......
https://steemit.com/steemgigs/@blackempror/a-fully-comprehensive-user-guide-on-who-is-a-witness-and-how-to-vote-your-witness
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I agree with your analysis but I think that powering down depends on the amount of sp one has. Do you want to have 100% in steem and than something go wrong?
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No of course not, and I'd understand it if some accounts are only investors and curators. It was more about those that are actively posting and earning a good deal of SBD which at current prices rewards you a lot and let's you reinvest into other things - hence those that are doing both is what is a bit confusing to me. There are some accounts even with barely any SP left keeping their posts alive by votetrading with bought or free delegation which seems to me like its the biggest form of value leech of the platform I've ever seen.
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You're right. I was supporting many guys for months just to find out they had the same amount of sp after all that time. I simply moved on. The system is evolving and changing constantly. The smart guys will profit the most on the end.
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hmm nice point of view , i used both i use steemauto for some people inside the steemGC most of time cause i can't see all the post sadly , and its help to support them without be on the platform because i believe in their future project (and not like some people who upvote only for get curator reward) , but genelly i pref stay manual curator, just for read some nice post by the way. i think i got only 7/ 7 people autoupvoted at 30%.
totally agree you're vision on people stop caring about interaction and and when they take it for granted because they got autovote.
i wanna try to power up too the most i can , but the half of my reward going to pay my rents.
I think we're all a litle bit lost , we don't know where we go , but i want to believe more people can belive in the platform like you.
I don't wanna bribe you , but you're a kid of exemple for lot of people on the platform
and what you make is great.
I want to say go where you want to go without forget your own ethics.
(sorry bad english) :D
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Hi Acid. Agree with you about powering down. it just doesn't make sense. Why not grow as fast as you can and at the same time help the community grow around you. Powering down gives out the wrong message. Yes everyone's circumstances change and some will be valid for a financial crisis but that will be few and far between. i am learning about this place every day and also believe it has a bright future.
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Me too I believe steemit has bright future.
Dtube, Dlive, Steepshot, musing, etc... being build using steemit. The party just getting started. Steemit is the new Google of social media.
I truly believe we can make steemit great. I mean really great! Can’t wait for a day when all the good steemians feel their contribution has paid off:)
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I know we've talked about this before but on the topic, I am glad to have adopted this mindset from you early on. Being a part of OCD for quite a while now has helped to not get "lazy" in my voting and doing my best to reward as many people as possible... and at the same time not expecting any votes from anyone and not being held captive by a single voter. It helps me to keep my content fresh and enjoyable (at least to me) and not make it a job.
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Absolutely. I do this too, and I also have a look at what's happening with the SBD, plus voting and commenting behaviour... and I absolutely make those things part of my decision to support a certain creator.
I respect the decision and the right to power down, but I would rather support people who power up. That way, by helping them, I am helping not only to build their stake but also that of the community as a whole.
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Great post and must say that even if I am on the platform from December 2017 I didn't know about automatic voting. I am always adding content and trying the give replies for goods posts (like this one :) ) and feel like the platform should grow organically in order to ensure its success. Indeed there are shortcuts for many out there, but those that real participate natural and get involved in the platform will thrive e in the end.
I am a believer, I have patience and I am here to stay!
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I just read the other post, it says currently SBD is undervalued. Your thought is "where SBD is so overvalued". So what price SBD should be in your opinion?
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Beautiful .. Creativity
Well done, great post from you
Thanks for sharing..
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I'd rather keep liquid Steem or SBD. Even though I won't have much SP.
It will help the whole Steem ecosystem not raping the reward pool with my upvotes at all and I will still have tokens at hand to make fast trades on pumps to accumulate more later.
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I don't think I will ever do auto curation. I do like the autovotes though. :) lol I wish somebody would autovote my comments.
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Thanks for the post. Its nice to see a perspective on encouraging curation and proper engagement with the platform. I'm a little frightened by the systemic increase in bidbots and self-curation.
I haven't felt the need to power down either. I figure steem is my longer play that is powered by it being a hobby versus it being an investment.
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with respect to the profits that we can obtain here, do you recommend investing in bots to get more steem power or just change those sbd to steem directly in the domestic market? @acidyo
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When steemwhales was still alive, you could trade which curators were getting the best return, and they were often manual curators, whom other curators followed via streaminhg services.
At the moment it's not clear anymore whether the bots provide a better return than following manual curators, so people go for the easy option, which is the bots.
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2038 seems a long way away but that is going to be coupled with a decreasing pool (in a few years) and hopefully a massive amount of onboarding to come. There are likely to be sellers remorse on Steem.
Having said that, the autovoters and the entitlement they create could fundamentally change the platform if they occasionally went through and cleaned up their support and instead of supporting extractors, supported investors and community builders. Incentivizing the best behaviours will go a long way in decentivizing the poor.
Plus, it gives those who care about the platform a little more power to raise some flags and do it in numbers. With a healthy and engaged middle class, even large individual whales are easily managed by a pod of dolphins.
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Maktabda kurator bilan butdagini farqi nima va kurator uzi nima
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is the gift to the winners already a commitment to you ...?
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A sad truth but yeah. I am just new here on steemit and at first I was passioned to write quality contents. Brain storming and hours spent just to make a good post. Everyday I am determined to make a content and make it sure to look good. Text Styling, Headings and Titles are well thought. But you know what I discovered as time goes by @acid? It is sad but it is true that it doesn't really matter if you made a good content or not, what matter is who is supporting you and how much you bid to bots for your post. And quality contents are less rewarded and less valued (Though not really all but most). I have already seen great authors that makes great contents but it never works for minnows. Minnows are struggling to make it here on steemit. I myself struggle a lot but I find it enjoyable to make blogs for it is what I want 😀 I enjoy writing and posting. Like a diary, in steemit where I write what my life is doing. That joy keeps me here on steemit.
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your heart becomes a warmer for people who want to try hard even if you live in a cold country.
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amazing - Judgement for powering down - perhaps some of us are on very low incomes and cannot always leave our SP to grow. I am disabled and have to live on well below the poverty line, my reasons for powering down where to access health services. I think of all the times I have upvoted you, and am disappointed that your rational is so judgemental of others without consideration of circumstances. It is so hard here for people who don't get any support from whales, completely disheartening. Whatever.
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I could not possibly agree with you more brother. I have only been here five months and believe in the potential and life changing opportunities this platform can give, much less than bloody ROI. I put my entire 17 years of education on the line for this platform and needed to pay for materials for the installation so powerered down but always kept in the wallet, and in a moment of weakness almost sold some (we’re talking 10/20 not a lot in your standards but a lot for a student) but I knew better.
yes profit is nice who doesn’t like money, but seriously come on some of the things I’ve seen in my short time here tell me that future of this blockchain has only just begun and I vow to myself to stack up my SP with the hope that one day anyone of us that stuck around at the beginning instead of being motivated by greed;
Will be able to change someone’s life at the click of a button
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It’s very important how you earn your money than how much you earned.
By Manually voting you can your money by giving to others, making this platform a better place and contribute what you can, etc...
For me Steemit is becoming a university where I can learn so many different way of thinking and I’m becoming a better human as the number of days I spend on here.
I would take personal growth over money
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Do you think it's good to buy Steem? How do I increase the value of my account and my vote?
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Thats true! By checking different posts and reading them we find good content and reward it. Thats why many Minnows are not having any chance to be visible, because the most people lately using bots and nobody is ready to read others content.
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As a new user, it's the autovoting that helps you a bit. Whales and others do not like voting the little's one posts. So most resort to joining trails and getting auto votes
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It is true that we become dependent on the bots for many things and in steemit that could be a double-edged weapon as it is tas you say, we get used to a user to upload good content and we do not see others who may be equal or better being to content
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Manual interactions are always better, have personally bookmarked quite a many useful posts so that i can check back for fresh content.
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I agree with you @acidyo, I wouldn't blame those who power down their sp, like you said, Everything in life is risk, not everyone see and believe in the steem blockchain like you do so they tend to power down incase it happens that steemit is no where to be found tomorrow, they wouldn't loose nothing. I see that as greed. Everyday I wish I had the SP some people have and my post pays out as some peoples post do, I never for one day will think of powering down. Steem will moon one-day, and I pray I have reached that level I want to be. Steemit would be the best investment anyone can make for now, and gathering up SP will be the wisest thing to do. How I wish I had quality Sp.
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Im active daily here on steem platform but my posts still does not take the interaction what it deserve and that is a big problem here.
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And do not you think it's a good idea for small accounts like mine, to use auto vote tools to grow much faster and then we get a big amount of SP to start voting manually?
When the account is new and the user has not been invested in SP, the persons feels that their upvotes are irrelevant.
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It doesn't matter much at this point to be honest, many are delegating to bid bots or constantly votetrading making it the same as if they voted themselves up 10x a day.
I have to warn you though that many authors and curators frown upon users voting up their short and low effort posts or comments, while at the same time it doesn't help you connect with people and others that might be bigger than you it might at the same time keep you down to a low ROI than if you would use it on others and they might reward you back or thank you for your efforts in your posts/comments.
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It's true, I was not considering those aspects that you mentioned in your answer. I liked your argument.
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seriously this platform steemit has open and widen my scope towards life, makes alot more friends which some put on autovote. it nice being here
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Excuse me sir @acidyo. I am new here, but i think this article talk about appreciation of human and machine. This is very importan to to know deep about this platform. I want to read all of this article, so I bookmark and request my friend to translate. Excuse me to resteem and bookmark sir or maybe teel same with you say in our language. Thanks for sharing sir, God Bless you
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interesting thaught,, i this its a batter and true, steemit create the platform in very good time, @acidyo your writing is true,your all blog is very importent,,thanks sir for share
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I think what you do is very beneficial for those who want to become bigger and believe in the platform, that that bring their content and their good spirit into it even if supporting them isn't that profitable in the beginning, it's encouraging and much more personal.
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No powering down for me. I’m actually buying small chunks of Steem to pop into my account here to help give my vote a tad more weight. Trying my hardest as well to get some new blood in here....especially in the circles I run in. I got 4 people in so far and 1 already gave up on it saying in his few posts that he made shit. He put forth no effort whatsoever. The others are doing ok. Have a few more on the line as well that I’m hoping will join soon. Either way, I try to tell them all to think long term and to not power down the first opportunity they get as not only will they not grow but they won’t hekp others prosper as well and that is what this place is about to me. Working together to provide quality and doing it together.
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Never read a post so carefully and slowly for a while. It simply hits some of the deep thinking towards this platform since the day I joined. It is not a secret whales only social with whales, while many of them do produce quality content consistently, however there are still some big players that I'm following was getting consistent upvotes no matter what they post. This is when I dislike the autovote system the most.
And for the powering down issue, while I understand it is totally up to the owners. I'd still feel uncomfortable seeing them earning big-time reward but filling their wallet will full withdrawal transaction. But such authors worth to be rewarded or not can be a complicated topic to discuss, given that I know some of the authors are living off the payout on Steem.
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Steem is actually growing with communities and that will just continue to improve as time goes by dragging up the value of steem up along with these developments like the future SMT's. So if one believes in these they should power up and reap the rewards later. @acidyo
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I've been on Steem since October last year, and I regret by not powering up at the most "profitable way" when I could... I remember when I got upvoted by Curie at the end of 2017, with the Steem value at that time, I could have been able to bought around 300 or 400SP...
Instead of that, I took that the money, part of it was invested on trading crypto, and even worse, I lost almost everything, and I spend the other part of the money.
Today I think I can see the whole picture, when I have started, I was just thinking only on cash out, but now I just cant stop thinking about building things on it and change my enviroment through that... Maybe i'm dreaming too much, but it's my way of living, I can't stop thinking "nonsense dreams" and strive to achieve them.
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About the bid bots, well, what can I say, once I finished reading the Steem whitepaper, and having understood, paying robots to vote for me simply seemed stupid and something like the long-term Steem downfall, a total contradiction to what should be the "proof of brain"...
At least I think its bad to do it consistently (paying for votes). I can understand the people who have projects and they invest thousands of SBD or STEEM on bid bots to be in trending and gain visibility, in my case I prefer to build connections with people who has the SP to support my cause, and also with people with the same vission as me, people who want it to succed, although it is difficult to be taken into account by the people who has the means to support projects, maybe because there are many people with projects and innitiatives, and they don't understand that in their project proposals is implicit the fact of extracting value from the STEEM blockchain, and a serious investor on Steem should not agree with that.
The problem is also laziness, I think, because it's not that easy as just asking a whale for a vote, or asking for support, I've seen that the authors or the people with projects on Steem that have been succesful they have been doing a great effort building networks, interacting and engaging, everyday...
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Good writing you just shared.Writing is very hard.
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I still feel new in the platform and of the issues that most call my attention is the way of curing; not everyone thinks alike, many opinions with various aspects, but all agree on the phrase quality content, which in my opinion is totally subjective, since what is quality for me is not for another, I would like to quote a little from the publication:
First of all I like to recognize that sometimes they can reach a level of comfort, where little is done for the platform, I don't know if it is a good example for those who are trying to succeed, because the idea is always to innovate and share quality or at least something you feel comfortable with but always giving a little more.
On the other hand many people who are here do not trust the growth of the platform, that can be so true and this can be seen in the publications and interactions perhaps not with the passion that steemit deserves.
In short, many important points to touch on regarding this topic, it is still good that you share your thoughts and allow us to involve your own in its publication.
Maybe my English can be confusing, we can blame it on the translator.
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There are so many times i feel bad after writing posts and articles only to find the minnow 0.01 vote there. With help of people. I discovered writing good and original content is the key.
Yea,as auto upvoter its good but its also good to know the content you are curating. I remember a stemian had to report a link voted by a whale to @steemcleaners because actaully the content was copied and recieved a whale vote that shouldnt be.
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Very true i tried powered down without understanding the system like 2-3 weeks ago. And found out that it is slow process and takes time. A
So powering down will make my curating and upvote less value. And importantly it can't help out others.
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I learned for the first time "By 2038 there will be around 750 million Steam in existence and the daily SP being generated will almost 20x less than today". Thank you for teaching.
I resteemed this article.
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really appreciate this post coming from you.
completely agree. @denmarkguy has been writing lately on long term thinking in regards to steemit and "tending the community garden" that we have here. i think your approach fits perfectly in with this and i'm happy to see someone with so much SP thinking this way. it builds the platform and gives confidence. thanks!
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This is an Eye-opener sort of. To be honest with you I have been wandering in the valley of uncertainty as regards what steemauto and steemvoter are. I have once heard about autovoting though. Someone once mentioned it but it was not detailed this way.
And I agree with the arguments you raise. I think autovoting will debase the platform. Quality will be swept under the carpet if we give total preference to autovoting above manual voting.
This was incisive. Thanks again.
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I suppose like anyone I've thought about autovoting. There would be times it would be so much easier. But, I also generally find a reason to comment on the posts I upvote, and so, if I were only autovoting and not ever coming back to see what i actually voted on, my engagement would suffer.
And, as you say, I wouldn't know what's going on, nor would I know if the authors' I'm autovoting are slipping somehow. Not all posts are created equal.
So, for the time being, I've kept to manual curation, and as far as I can tell now, I will continue. It's slower, not as profitable, but it's what I'm understanding I'm here to do: post, comment and curate.
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This is realy a thing..good post
Its demotivational to post and not get recognition you deserve..
Its all about bots..
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Es muy fácil hablar pero hacerlas es muy difícil, pero cuando hay ganas de ayudar a las personas todo es valido me gusta tu manera de pensar
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For me, another advantage of voting manually is that you know more about the person and you can know what content is published daily and how committed it is to the community.
I would love to have more SP and in December I could have managed to raise it a lot, but a lot of the money that I earned and then took out was out of necessity and not because of whims or buying other coins, meanwhile it goes up little by little with what I win waiting some day not to have problems and grab all the money earned and pass it to my SP.
I receive automatic votes from some Steemians who trusted in me and in my content, the truth, that has not allowed me to stop publishing better things or to improve in what I do. Regardless if the SBD is at 0.01 $, same every day I will try to upload my content. Receiving manual votes or automatic votes here I will be in Steemit improving every day, and being as active as possible in the community to which I owe a lot but a lot and one of those people that I really appreciate and respect and that has helped me a lot in all the the time I have in Steemit has been you @acidyo, always grateful to you.
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I'm with you. I only participate in crypto projects that I feel have a long term potential and the idea is to transition into these micro economies to trade within. Like everything else we do, its always stressful watching the selfish behaviors of some others teeter on destroying what we all can benefit from. Glad I found you, you seem like a really cool (dude?). If you are a witness I will give you a vote :)
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very true words boss... It's good to know the posts you're upvoting..
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I prefer to read or at least view all the posts for which I give my vote. I'm not indifferent to the content that Steemit is filling, so I think it's very important to support the weak strong to make progress. I believe in Steemit, so I want to build up SP and be useful to my community, which I now supervise.
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Thanks I needed al this advice I will keep trying to collaborate and improvng on being a good steemian all round :)
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You have content, are on my feed list, follow me, thank you for being an active follower.
Plus I totally agree with your post.
Thank you for your post.
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Well said, it's just a shame yours is a minority voice!
Albeit not being any where near as vested as your good self, I also actually quite enjoy manually upvoting... in fact I've found myself unchecking some of the people who I autovote for a couple of days at a time to allow my VP to recharge due to more manual voting. (Keeps people on their toes I guess.
I might actually go back and check all my auto-votees are reinvesting.
You say SBDs are over-valued, are you not expecting them to go back up to a 1-1 ratio... I'm kind of reluctant to power up with them because they look undervalued compared to a few months ago. In fact I've been buying LTC - BTC - STEEM on the exchanges recently, rather than using my SBDs to power up.
I love that gif to the left, never clocked that before!
More of this sort of 'steem stuff' if you would, it's good to hear (live streaming of games isn't really my bag!)
Cheers,
Karl.
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The more you give the more you received, but the less you give the less you received, makes a ways for others Bcos givers never lack..
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My opinion on autovotes is two-fold. On one hand, I sometimes have too little time to manually curate everything I want to read, and to do my favorite authors justice, I do vote for them automatically. When I have time, I do visit their blogs and actually read their content.
Some people have put me also on steemauto, and I'm very grateful for their votes, but deep down I do wonder whether they actually read my articles. If they didn't, it would hurt my feelings a little bit. After all, money matters, but the fact that people listen to what I have to say matter more to me...
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Interesting thoughts! Am adjusting my whole perspective of the whole blockchain.
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My problem is that your post only really applies to whales and dolphins. I think those with small SP aren't doing it for the 0.001 rewards, but to help their favorite content creators. Autovotes are the the best way to make your votes count, by voting early and giving the post more visibility.
I started autovoting because I can do Steemit only on weekends, so valuable posts get missed and my sp reached 100% a few times. This way no sp is wasted and I review all my upvotes on the weekend, leave some comments and adjust the settings for better.
Those who are voting just for rewards are probably same people upvoting their own comments. They don't care about content and probably never read posts, including this one.
I think it's worse that many good Stemians lost hope in Steemit and left, but they didn't leave any autovoting trails. Probably because they think their small votes are meaningless, which I think is wrong. Lots of small votes can make a difference for those still trying to make it work on Steemit. :)
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First introduced steemit about 5 months ago, my mentors say "the better your writing, the more sbds you get", every day I improvise my writing and make everything materials content are from me, such as words above 1000 words and interesting photographs. I will continue to defend the order and ethics of my article, one day it will be a history that I once wrote and contributed well in the steemit I love. Steem!!On.
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This is a great topic. As a new user I've been struggling to earn sbd with my posts and someday I noticed that there was an account that always upvoted my posts. It wasn't much but at least it generated a minimal income to each post so I was kinda happy and grateful. I came to realize that it was an automatic vote. I never planned to be lazy in the quality of my posts because I wanted to reach more people so i think the quality never decreased, but I have to admit that I was relying on that a little. It creates false expectations, you know. Also I never abused, posting a lot of articles just to earn the automatic upvote, I made the natural amount of posts that I can write. Recently that user stop voting for my posts, I guess because I didn't post anything for a few days due to personal problems, I guess I was removed from the list hahaha. That's another problem with the autovotes, you can be removed from the list just for not publishing for a while. Definitely the human element is lacking there.
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@acidyo, I'm still a manual voter, and did not realize that autovoting might give you better returns (frankly, I still don't undertand, fully, how that works)
I do know, and appreciate, that others have me on autovote.
Quality-wise, I don't think I've abused their autovote trust--I tell myself it's my name attached to the post, and it will be there forever, so I need to make it good. But, do you think that posting twice a day qualifies as autovote abuse?
The reason I ask is because I've recently lost one of my larger autovoters, and miss having that little support/safety net. Looking forward to hearing back from you. Thanks, Yahia
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I'm a bit late to this party, but I agree about the benefits of manual voting. I try to support a small community via a community account. All the voting is done manually, it's time consuming and I'm sure there would be better returns for the community account if it was automated but the potential for abuse, and the ability to see what everyone is contributing to the community is really important.
I'm not sure why my upvote is spinning, but I am trying to upvote this post...
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