As you may know, I'm (in a small team) manually curating music related posts to which we give undervalued posts an extra boost. With todays Steem and SBD values, we give out up to 60$ with a single vote.
A type of post we consider for upvote is original music.
In this post you'll read about:
- Trend: Increase of Illegal Music uploads and Identity Theft
- Suggestions how to provide Evidence You are You and Your uploads are Yours
Trend: Illegal Music Uploads & ID Theft
Lately I noticed more and more music uploads to DTube, DSound and similar services; Which is nice to see!
However, I also noticed more and more illegal uploads, ie ripped music from some internet source and uploaded to the Steem blockchain through eg DTube/DSound without the user having the rights to the music.
In addition, I see more and more accounts that maybe based on stolen identity.
Recently I came across an account claiming to be Robert Hood! Well, this artist I know pretty well (not personal, but I know who he is, I know his music, I know how he uses social media)! And I can tell you, this user claiming to be Robert Hood and started uploading and sharing music by Robert Hood, is NOT Robert Hood! Although I still cannot be 100% positive about it, I'm for 99,9% for sure that my conclusion is the right one. For instance, nothing was provided as evidence that this user is Robert Hood. Images used in posts are all available at the usual internet sources. The username is not the username Robert Hood uses at all his other internet channels. No personal content is shared etc etc etc. And I never ever got a reply on my question I asked this user to provide some kind of evidence that this user is indeed Robert Hood.
Suggestions How to Provide Evidence
For me (us) to determine if your track(s) you share are yours - whether that be a YouTube/Soundcloud share, or an upload to DTube/DSound - or at least you have the rights to share/upload (maybe you are a label owner and have an agreement with your artist to share his/her work) I MUST see some kind of evidence.
I therefore request anybody who share/upload their own work to provide such evidence. This can be done in various ways, but what will help for sure:
- Provide links to your Soundcloud/YouTube/Website/Facebook and other external sources in eg your Steemit Profile, and/or Introduction post, and/or even better, in each post you make;
- Use same name on Steemit as you use in your external resources;
- Show recent uploads to your external channels, matching your shares/uploads here at Steemit/DTube/DSound;
- Post selfies here at Steemit/DTube/DSound that you also use at external sources, or at least something that I can match faces with;
- Post videos with you in it including a hint that it is a very recent recording by naming eg Steemit, Date, or like the OpenMic uploads are done refering to a week number.
When following above rules, this may not give 100% evidence, but I would get a warm feeling (most of the time at least) about you being who you say you are and the music is yours. Having such warm feeling, your posts made it to the pool of post that I consider for a vote.
Of course, you don't have to follow the rules given, that is entirely up to you! You may not be interested in some additional votes and post rewards :) Note that when I'm not having a positive feeling about you being genuine and/or you don't own the rights to the music, I'll not hand out any vote. That's all :)
Nice idea my friend!, there surely is people looking to abuse the system, specially now when steem and SBD price are so high... I myself have doubt in the past about some artist users, fortunately i got to confirm they where the real deal... I have been using external sites less and less lately, but i realize i should use them more to bring more people here :)
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I can assure you, the abuse is dramatically increased in the last months. And I can also tell you that quite a number of Steemians just believe whatever they read, and that increases the abuse even more since votes will get to their posts anyway. BUt my vote they will not get. Anything that I have not an almost 100% good feeling about, I ignore, not only now, but I ignore those users 'full stop'.
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It's easy, use dtube to verify. @Alao is a good example of supporting and in a sense verifying his identity in both platforms.
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I like the idea of making a short video of you saying you're uploading the track to DSound. You could make it a requirement - an accompanying 'video signature'. Just my 5 cents
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That is a very good suggestion indeed! Your 5 cents are valued a lot more than the 5 cents! :) Here you go!
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Ha ha, thank you! And also, Musicoin verifies musicians by having you link your Soundcloud, Youtube, Twitter, etc.. account - like you said in point 1. But then THEY verify you. Obviously, it adds an extra step of verification BUT given that DSound is growing rapidly, a verification process/team will need to be created at one point or another.
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I do agree, verification by the service owner supporting media upload would be the best way forward. However, since such verification is not 100%, the service owner can argue to not want to implement such verification process. I can imagine, when having a verification process, one is - by law and in court - more responsible when illegal uploads are done and contested. I guess a reason for YouTube and Soundcloud not to have such verification process.
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Hey fellow steemers, could you check out some of my music. I'm trying to build up a following and my main output is music but I struggle to get noticed as I imagine we all do! Thanks for your efforts.
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I give everybody the same chance, so make sure you post with the #music tag and I'll see your posts there. Note: everybody has the same problems with getting noticed. Engaging with meaningful conversation with other Steemians is the key to build your own little community within Steemit.
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Yeah I normally use the #music tag. Gets lost in a sea of music. Hey, it is what it is. I'll keep going and building on it. Thanks for checking out my DigitalBusking session too. Right now I'm still experimenting with the technical side of things such as using a mic close to my vocal or just one mic to pickup the full performance out of shot. I'm leaning towards the latter. Whats your thoughts on that?
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I have no clue hahahaha, I'm just a music fan, nothing more than that.
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Full heartedly agree Bishop , well said !
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Thanks for you comment and feedback. I'm not part of DSound, you may like to address the question on verification control using your suggested service to them. You posted the tutorial document here on Steemit?
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Thank you for that and I am always providing a link to the original sound published on my Website so that people see that is really me. How is the licensing classified? I provide the sounds on my Website under Creative Commons CC BY and Public Domain CC0. Do you think its a good idea to let people in each post know about Licensing? I know in Bandcamp or on SoundCloud the owner can choose what Attribution he or she would like to integrate. But, for now on I will write it in the description.
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The Steem blockchain does not provide a field to store the license given to a track/song. A shame, a Flaw even of the Steem blockchain IMHO. You could take the approach you take, always mention license offered in the post. You could also take the approach you only mention the license in the post, when you somehow restrict the use of your material. Although I'm not a musician, therefore I don't upload music at all, I would prefer the suggestion of always including the license terms in the same post as you post/share the music with. That makes it clear at all times for everybody :)
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Got it! I will do that because it is important for people who working with sound what licensing is provided. Thank you for the feedback and great work :)
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Wish you all the success! Looking forward to your works.
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Thank you so much and lets make this world a better place again! Positivity :)
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Absolutely! :)
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How are we tackling the upload of ripped off music? As far as I can see, flagging is the only tool available.
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Yes, flagging is the only tool we have available indeed. But still, that is not sufficient, since the music post is still on the Steem blockchain, and the media file is still on the IPFS-backends used by DTube and DSound. However, I think this IPFS-backends are third party services that needs to be paid (done by DTube/DSound) to stay accessible. But for the first period of time, the files will be accessible, since they are paid for some time window into the future.
Steemit UI hide posts that are flagged sufficiently, but that does not mean other user interfaces hide flagged posts (well: semi hide, since it is indicated that something is hidden and you can undo that). At the moment there is no possibility build in to the Steem blockchain to DELETE a link to some illegal upload; That is a BIG FLAW IMHO. Services like VIUWLY, have the DELETE function build into their blockchain and therefore much better equipped to fight illegal uploads. LBRY has a copyright notification system similar to what YouTube has; That in itself will not prevent illegal uploads but it provided more than what the Steem blockchain and services on top of it, provides.
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VIUWLY, I’ll have a look.
I do think dSound and dTube are going to find some challenges if they get some serious traction and people start wanting to clamp down on people monetising others work.
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Yeh, they have to do something wrt fake and illegal stuff.
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I have recorded a lot of music for myself over the years. I never share my music because I am very self conscious about it. Steemit is the first venue in which I have ever shared my music. I therefore have no external sources to validate my music. But I guess I am the exception to the rule. Hopefully it will be apparent that my music is mine by the unique style, but I suppose some suspicion is a natural side of effect of me being an extreme introvert yet a serious musician at the same time. I really did not think about it until a read this post.
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Super you publish your work through the Steem blockchain. You can establish your identity by posting video material including some indication it is a recent video and you included matching eg a photo you use in your Steemit profile. Include in that video also the music you may also post as an audio file, and this shows to some good extend that you are you and the music is what you have in your hands.
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Good point. The only problem is I did not want to show my face. I'll have to think about that one. Thanks for the advice! I have done an open mic video without showing my face. Maybe I can do something a little different along the same lines. Thanks again!
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I somehow understand you dont want to show your face, but that will make it SUPER HARD for other to really believe you. Since what you can do, and many actually do, is rip some music from YouTube, and post it to DSound/DTube and try and get votes; And especially since DTube and DSound do not have any verification policy, and they give very good upvotes to nice sounding music, more and more users are practising this, ie illegally using other artists music and claim it is theirs. I do look at identity and original music, and when I dont get a warm feeling, I'll not give any votes. And I will probably not be the only one :) But that said, you may not require my vote to get (some) rewards on your publications :)
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True. It is really unfortunate. Oh well, I am having fun anyway. A few people have listened to my music which is more than in the past. I will just keep posting anyway. No one will ever find the music posted elsewhere because I only post it here, so there should not be a problem. It should still be fun and that's what matters. Thanks for all of the advice.
In my video I posted for open mic, I show my chin area, I could maybe do something like that. Just brainstorming. Thanks again!
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Yeh cool, no worries. And yeh, I really like to believe you when you say your music is your music, and your posts to Steem is yours, but yeh, everybody can say that :) Anyway, I think you know what I mean.
For vocal songs, the voice itself may be a way to kinda get a warm feeling for original, when voices are constantly the same form post to post, and maybe adding some marker to recent recording, like for openmic they ask to state the week number and openmic.
For electronic productions without vocals, it becomes really really hard though.
Not sure if a chin allows matching identities :)
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Just curious. If someone shows their face in a video, they could just post a picture to match it. Both could be stolen from another source. It seems to me that the only way to be sure about someones work is to do a thorough search online. Thoughts? Sorry to take all of your time.
And yes, I agree, I think the vocals, demeanor, consistent style, body motions, playing technique, etc will start to validate my work over time. Especially since I plan to enter openmic each week, which as you say, has the required spoken words at the beginning of each video to validate that the video was made specifically for steemit openmic.
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Image search is quickly done, We have tools like Google image search. Not 100% of course, but will detect quite a lot.
Openmic will help.
For the curators on this platform, anything that requires more than a couple of minutes work, will not be done, I actually have to let a lot of track postings go unresearched and not voted because it takes too much time to figure out if everything is solid. Can you imagine, already today we have 100+ maybe even 200+ new tracks posted and shared, and when I need to check all these, it takes me a day to do so. Plus, I have no instant view on what I already checked in Steemit, so next time I have to redo it again. Of ourse some users I remember, but many I dont since I see so many. The whole UI is not build to handle all of this in a good way, while also DTube and DSound dont even have a TOS stating that illegal uploads are not allowed. They also dont do any ID check. Since ID checks could be done by some independent verification company keeping your identity secret, but do a check based on eg you ID card, driving license. A common method by car rental companies and even the crypto exchanges when you want to transfer larger amount of funds to some other wallet, or to fiat.
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Excellent post and I enjoyed some extra insight that dealt with more personal cases in the comments, very useful read.
However, here is the thing that I still struggle with. In short, I post "track of the day" type of the posts on my account, that feature artists' music I find on Soundcloud as part of my crate digging for my DJ series for Mixcloud. The type of music I look for is lesser known artists because my main goal with the series is to highlight up and coming artists, not play top 100 of Beatport. So I am hoping that with time and with account growth (that I have to put a lot of my own time into), I will provide exposure to young artists and promote their music. Now the possibility of rewards part is obviously where it becomes a grey area, and what I have been trying to do is reach out to each artist I feature on my blog and offer them the share of the possible reward if they join steemit. Now that in itself immediately sounds like a scam when it deals with money and joining a platform they are not aware of, so I need to find a good approach to ease them into the whole concept.
So, without getting too wordy, whats your guys' opinion on curation blogs? I spend my time finding this new music, I also review the tracks I feature on my blog, I do not represent it as my music, but as a music I find from curation on each post? Thoughts, ideas, on how to make it great for everyone involved? :)
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I personally would not offer the artist a cut from what you earn promoting their music, but the other way around; When they come to steemit, you take a cut from what they earn! That is how it should work IMHO. Well, best way is maybe just try to get them to Steemit and whatever they earn, they keep. So, selling the idea of Steemit to someone, is a mix of things: They must like blogging, they can use Steemit for various purposes, to promote their own work, ideas and whatsoever, what they do on Facebook they can also do on Steemit. Steemit can just be another social media channel they operate. When they don't like to handle social media, well, their bad, they will not come to Steemit.
No issues to feature someone else work, it is curating as so may websites do. I suggest to add some good writing to the music you feature, objective review, your personal opinions, maybe some links to there social media and all. I personally like the personal opinions and stories around music posts, so when I see msuic post with generic stuff about the artists/band, I get bored and skip them for reading. To many other places on the Internet where you can find that. But not so many places where you can read personal stories around music.
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Wow, that is a very illuminating point of view, I guess from my perspective it is their work and it's the fact that I earn something from it that might ruffle their feathers. But I am literally was thinking the same thing as you outlined, that it's not quite simple as that - it takes time and effort for me to build the following around my account, and if it becomes a good place for people to look for music - then it is also a highly targeted demographic listening to these artist's tracks, they get exposure and my "stamp of approval". I dont wanna repeat myself, but thank you for making me feel easier about the whole situation, as I was having conflicted feelings about something that was coming from very good intentions, imho. Really appreciate you taking time to respond, thank you, @edje!
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You're Welcome :)
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Really? People are ripping off other people’s music?? That’s low. I recently covered Gwen steffanies “what you waiting for”. https://dsound.audio/#/@thomasrobertgent/what-you-waiting-for . but clearly labeled it was a cover/remix I hope I’m not labeled as ripping off any one.
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Yeah someone actually downloaded one of my OpenMic Posts and resubmitted it as their own in the competition, I was flattered but also wtf, like you could ever get away with that. I only found out because one of the judges @passion-ground spotted it.
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That’s pretty low for some one to do that. I’m glad the judges picked up on in.
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Someone seriously did that? That's disgusting. Wow.
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Cover songs are fine, they are not being offered for sale - if they were you would need to go through licensing etc. You can play cover songs in a pub because they have a blanket licence - but you have forever been able to post transformative works anywhere - regardless of legality, don't have to think twice about posting a cover on youtube, soundcloud or any other website for competitions (imagine open mic if it was illegal to perform other people's music lol) if you performed it. Using samples from the original song or the original song itself without permission is where the trouble occurs and that needs to be policed seriously. I mean, what's stopping someone from re-uploading anyone's music? Nothing and that will be a problem one day imo.
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Very true
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Yep, in the world of music and Internet, ripping, copy/pasting, stealing is a well known phenomenon!
Wrt your post you linked above; To my personal taste you gave to little information. You mention that you did something with a cover, and used a tag suggesting it is a remix.
Added to that: when using copyright material of another artist, you have to get their consent under the law of most countries on our planet. Just mentioning you used some artists work for remix, is not sufficient. Especially when you earn money with it, which you do when you get votes on Steemit/DSound or through other Steem enabled services.
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Hmmm you got me feeling a little guilty... I thought it was quite obvious it was a cover. I had no I’ll intent
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I have no reason not to believe you, but always keep in mind: one does not read your mind, and can only conclude based on information provided.
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This was the description ...
published 6 days ago
my first attempt at a cover song. Gwen Steffani's what you waiting for heavy metal style. all recording was done in my shed/studio (quite the back yard operation)
Im not sure what else I could have done to make it clear this was a cover and not an original.
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as a i am into music before you make a cover or remix you so need to get permission from the artist if not from the publisher to use of any songs i make beats so i know alilbit about that since from time to time will need use a sample if i were to use a sample i would need to get permission from the artist or the publisher like i said before.. just sharing my knowledge..
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I read your description before I made the first comment to you.
Anyway, you state in your description that it is a cover; A cover means: you created your interpretation of someone else work, but created it all by you. I started listening to the track and I hear different instruments and a voice while you mention YOU recorded it, based on that I assume YOU as in only you, no other individuals since you didn't mention anything about that. Now, it doesn't really feel very legit at my end, when a single person plays different instruments and does the voice all at the same time. So, this gives for me a red flag, or at least an orange flag.
Also, you used two tags to the post, of which one of them is 'remix'. A remix means: you took some other material and created some new work from it. This conflicts with the statement in your description that it is a cover. Now, a in a previous comment in this chain of comments, I took the approach you take the original material of someone else, and added something to it, to make it a remix. With that in mind, I commented to you that when re-using some material of someone else, you need their permission to do so.
All in all, I still don't know what you created: A cover? A remix?
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I think it is perfectly fair to say that a cover can be a remix of a song, for example you could make your own representation of the song, changing parts as you see fit your taste or style better, it isnt exactly a true cover, but more a remix of the original version with all parts rerecorded by you. I think both tags are appropriate, from a personal standpoint.
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You are allowed to use every tag you want that is relevant to your post. I have nothing against you using remix. I simple pointing out to you, what I pointed out to you in other comments.
EDIT: sorry, I thought you were the guy I had the whole chat with. We dont know what the reality is what @thomasrobertgent actually did. Did he re-record everything? I cant believe so. Did he make a remix? Maybe. Did he use existing material from another artists? Maybe? That users is too vague and for me something to not vote for.
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Thanks , I agree @armageddonparty
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great info #edje
i will surely act upon your tips to improve my self here in this community
Thanks for everything
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You're Welcome and wish a success with Steemit.
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Hey there @edje. This is a really cool initiative from your side! Thank you for doing this and helping people get some of that spotlight action.
BTW, I was wondering if you also support people who create mashups of songs? (I'm one of 'em!)
Your support will be fully appreciated :)
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Anything music related and has value to the community is considered.
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That's awesome!
I just uploaded a new mashup, it'd be amazing if you could give it a hear :)
It's this - Ed Sheeran x Maroon 5 x Nickelback - Daylight Photographs
Thank you! :D
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Sure
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Do you guys prefer music or podcasts? And what about just saying your username and stuff in the recording itself?
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Saying your username in the podcast and reference to Steemit, makes it more believable indeed.
I'm not DSound, but also dont understand the question. You should create what you like to create, and the community will decide if they like what you create by voting.
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I have some original folk music and also techno on dsound. For the techno tracks I show pictures of the track in the beat program. Is that acceptable?
And for the folk music I don't have proof posted except for pictures of my instruments. Would you say it is good proof if I were to add a link to a video clip of myself playing part of the song so it can be matched with the recording? Thank you.
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I'm actually thinking at the moment what the best way for verification will be, and thinking of launching a project. Need to think things through next couple of weeks. Note that I'm not involved in DSound and DTube at all.
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Great post. Glad that there is a focus on legitimate artistry and rejection of piracy!
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Thanks so much, and yes, some (or more?) of us in the community do like to honour legitimate content.
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I have only just joined today but plan to upload some tracks and videos of live performance! Just getting to grips with the platform first. DSound looks like a great alternative to soundcloud!
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Keep in mind; You are not able to give view/access permissions to your track(s) nor you are able to delete your track(s) ones uploaded through DSound. If that is not an issue for you, DSound is a great service indeed.
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ah okay, so essentially any tracks posted on DSound are there for ever?
What is the thought process behind this? are all posts/comments/uploads final in the same sense?
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I have no idea what the thought process is. Steem blockchain is build in such a way anything posted onto it, can never be deleted. That is how Bitcoin was designed, ie the first blockchain ever. However, what is required for financial transactions and a solid recorded history that no single individual or company can change, does not apply to eg music IMHO. DSound/DTube uses the Steem blockchain, although I have an idea why, I think services like VIULY and maybe LBRY are better to control your own content, since at VIUWLY you can set view/read/discover permissions and you can delete/remove your own content. Not sure if it can really be deleted, or the blockchain will not show the content to anymore anymore. To understand what the reasons are behind all these implementation like they are, you really have to ask the service and blockchain owners. For Steem blockchain this is Steemit Inc with @ned the CEO and @sneak the CTO.
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Okay that's great to know! Yeah it could be good for posting works in progress or tracks you don't want to release commercially, or live jams/mixes.
Thanks so much for the heads up!!
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You're Welcome :)
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thanks for the info bruddha!!
will remember to include some form of evidence that I am me and my music is created by me in future postings!!
and thanks for supporting!!
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Super!
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Since I'm not an artist this shouldn't concern me. But for our Steemit community to stay wholesome, cases of identity theft and illegal media upload should be reduced if not totally eradicated. Therefore I wholeheartedly support this initiative. Kudos to you guys!
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Thanks for your support! It is great;y appreciated, from none musician to none musician :)
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nice post. and i will apply your tips for myself. Thanks
Up vote and follow you.
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Thanks for your support. Success here at Steemit.
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yeah i can see that. I also want to be Success here.
but i don't find it eat.
after all thanks for your post
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It takes time, and quite a bit of work to get to success. Nothing is easy in life, Steemit also not :) I noticed you don't post to often and the number of posts and comments since you started in 2017 seems not a lot as well. I can only advise you to engage in meaningful ways with Steemians, and at the same time post about things you like and always ask yourself the question "does this add value to the community? to my followers?".
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3 month ago i change my Windows.I almost loss all my documents.
also steemit password.
any how i did found the password few day ago.
so i start blogging again.
I am not experienced at this. so my blogs are not well shaped.
most of all thanks for you advice.
keep advising me it will be very glad for me.
plz check my profile.
Thank you
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Super you found your Steemit password again! Formatting a post is not difficult, I do suggest to format in a nice way. That will for sure makes your post more appealing.
Ok, I'll give you another advise since you asked for it: never ask for vote for vote, never ask for follow for follow, never ask for "plz check my profile", the more powerful Steemians in out community will for sure not followup on such request, including myself (and I'm not at all powerful, but I'm aan experienced Steemian).
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ok. thanks
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hay check my new blogs. say what should i improve most.
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Thanks for the tips, I do need to get more into making videos for my songs, I want to get into live streaming this year but need to upgrade my computer first, that in itself has made music editing a challenge lately.
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Hopefully you cal solve the technical side of things quickly.
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more or less need a new computer, the one I am running is becoming antiquated and running slower and slower as time goes by. Hopefully in the next few months!
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cool
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I agree with you! I would like to see that the accounts that upload Illegal Music or steal Identity would be banned or have a showned red flag at there account and posts. Real creators should earn not fake once.
What greed can do with people.
I know personaly how hard it is to make a revenue of even a few dollars with music. The costs are much, much higher for getting a good sounding song as a downloadable single on Spotify.
To me making songs is a hobby and if people like them that's my biggest reward. But when I also could get a realy small amout of cents as reward that would be awesome.
I've just discovered Steemit and did put one of my songs on it.
Beauty All Around Me - Martin Lucassen
Listen on DSound - Beauty All Around Me
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You may also check out Muiscoin, I hear good stories about possible revenues from that platform. When posting to Musicoin, you may consider to post to Steemit with a link to Musicoin. But posting to the Steem blockchain through DTube or DSound, is also great!
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Thanks for the tip! I'll check out Musicoin. On Dtube adding at the blockchain (step 3) seems to take ages. Yesterday and today I tried 4 times to upload the song, but seems I can't get behind step 3.
What do you think about Vezt?
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Don't know Vezt to be honest.
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Vezt - Vezt lets music fans share ownership with artists in their favorite songs.
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Yeh, I still dont know it. When I have some time, I'll look into it, but I'm not an artist, so I'll not use any of those platforms to post tracks and albums.
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I didn't realize this was happening. Thanks for the post! You've got some helpful suggestions. After I signed up as @danieldyemusic for my username, I started to question this because most folks here on Steemit have such mysterious names, but now I'm glad I went with my real name, and that it's easily connected to my other social media accounts out there.
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Some to more Steemians like to be anonymous. That is ok, but when trying to make money from art, or something like that, than it is really difficult to stay anonymous :)
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Thanks for this @edje!
I have a question about artist profiles. When I first signed up for Steemit, I did so, probably like many others, for 2 account names:
This was about a week ago, or so. My personal account was approved in less than 24hrs, but I haven't received the approval email for my artist account yet. I really wanted to start contributing to @dsound, so I uploaded a single of mine from artist name Ghostroom Apollo under my personal name. I own the copyright to the original song:
https://dsound.audio/#/@mariogiancini/cadet
How should I go about verifying this?
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Super you like to use DSound for your own music!
Account verification may sometimes take a bit of time. Hang in there!
I suggest to incorporate some (or all) of the suggestions I made in the post; In case your post to DSound is not older than 7 days, you can edit the post through the Steemit or Busy user interface; Your profile you can edit through settings.
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Ok sounds good @edje, thanks!
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Success with it! :)
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"I Yam who I Yam!"
-Popeye
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:)
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I love that you guys are after original music I love hearing real instrumentals being played and I think they are taking back over as a lot of the younger generations have started to appreciated a real person playing an instrument over a computerized beat despite the visions of a techno filled future we've portrayed in the media
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Don't get me wrong, original electronic music is also in scope :) I personally like both, acoustic AND electronic music a LOT! :)
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Yep-that's why we do both, impossible choice! ;-]
Oh if you like instruments and electronic music check out Ott, one of our faves!
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I actually think electronics and acoustic goes well together. Anyway, for long it was already combined, with keyboards and electrical guitars. Now add to that computer generated sounds :) Is getting more popular today I suppose, HVOB is going strong on the combo as well.
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Yes, we street perform acoustic and electronic regularly and it works. Cool, checking out HVOB now, thanks!
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@qsounds @edje Thank you so much for this post guys! I have recently started uploading my Dj mixes and my original music on Dsound. Now that i saw this i have changed my profile name to my usual Dj/artist name . Cheers
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Super!
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That's very cool of you, helping people to get some more views on Steemit. It's sad that most people with most power just keep it for themselves or use it to their advantage. Nicely done, guys!
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Thanks
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Good Morning from Vietnam! I, for example use Audition and I am able to create Metadata with my name in it with other very helpful information. So I am going to do that now, that I write my name plus if its for Steemit, I write "FreeToUseSounds for Steemit" in the Metadata now. I think that is cool :)
All the best,
Marcel
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Cool :)
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Nice post, following you from now on. Also upvoted
Cheers
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Thanks for you support!
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This is a great start to cracking down on identity theft. Big thumbs up! 🎶 ✔
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Thanks! :)
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Great post @deje and looking forward to get into dsound. I can play the keyboard a little and have some original touching peieces
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Thank you and wish you lots of success with recording and sharing some nice work with your keyboard.
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My steemit name is victory622， while the soundcloud account name is victory. Hope you can relax the requirement that need exactly same account name:)
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Best is to show some Steemit link at your Soundcloud, this shows that you control that account. Just having the same or similar name, can stil mean a stolen identity.
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Nice solution.Thanks.
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Does "not having rights to the music" apply to cover songs? Thank you.
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Good question: To be honest, I dont know how the law in western countries is about covering.
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I know covers are not regulated here by Steemit, but on youtube for example you can sign an online contract to get a "mechanical licence". Its not that problematic.
What i was wondering was if the kind of content im creating would be considered under your "rules" as "not having rights to the music" and thus being overlooked for curation.
For someone just starting up its very important i understand all the nuances and the "unwritten rules" so i can adjust what im doing. :D
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For my rules of curation, I dont see a cover being an issue.
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I agree with you! I would like to see that the accounts that upload Illegal Music or steal Identity would be banned or have a showned red flag at there account and posts. Real creators should earn not fake once.
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Agree!
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I think this is super important cause if there are like 1000 videos from random people of the same video it oversaturates the feed for people who are sharing original music from official artist accounts
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No issue with sharing 3rd party music IMHO, however this shall be indicated, and shall not be uploaded to DTube/DSound since this would be illegal.
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A real shame that people have to feel the need to resort to illicit tactics, such as the aforementioned, in your superbly written article. The creative world is made a better place, as I can take comfort knowing there are people out there like you looking out for all the budding musicians who want to express their art, like me! To further add to @petrajordan's point, perhaps it may be beneficial to include the original project file with the video signature, i.e. proof of original arrangement? Either which way, I haven't been on Steemit for long but I'll certainly be staying tuned to your future output!
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Agree, some video signature would be a great way forward, since this reduces the time for someone who wants to be sure before giving a vote. Identity verification should actually be part of Steemit itself imho. This could be a default process, or an optional process. When optional, than some kind of verification indicator shall be part of Steemit displayed at appropriate places, like eg part or close to the username.
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Positively, doing this will definately reduce the act of plagiarism on the Steem blockchain.....flagging is also a good idea but people still into the act.
Anyways, it's a gradual process and soon we will experience a clean, creative work and not stealing what some people worked for.
#Weworkingtobegreat @blaqothor #Trevonjb
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I hope indeed we get less abuse in our system. I think it will help when those who do not abuse, make clear to other that is the case so those who do not abuse gets rewarded instead of those who abuse. We have to drive culture! :)
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I didn't even consider these verification inclusions, good to know. I like what Steemit offers so far compared to outside sources where creative works just sit and stagnate. I intend to move everything I've ever done and will do over to this platform, and I'd like to think that verification of my work is never an issue.
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To some verification of your work may not be an issue, but to other may be so. When I do not h=get a good feeling about work of art to be from the one who post it, then I dont vote for it. If you find it important to be verified or not, that is up to you :)
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It's a good one @edje but how about when an artist does not make use of external sites for his songs, he doesn't post most of the time on his other social accounts that often because he didnt do them for promotion cos of the thin probability of getting noticed, but now found steemit as a means of getting reward for his work by just posting then. Does that make the person not qualified? Cos I tell you Facebook won't pay you for just posting your songs neither would Instagram nor sound cloud. Anyone naturally would not want to invest time in things that doesn't pay them. Like posting on Facebook Everytime I want to post on steemit. My view, I'll appreciate it if you can look into that @edje
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For my own personal votes as those high value votes, requires a warm feeling of identity not stolen, and music not stolen. I'm defining a method that this can be done as we speak and want to start a verification project. It may indeed happen, I define to be verified first for a vote,. It is up to the user who post music, if they want to be verified or not. It'll probably as simple as that.
BTW: it is pretty short sided when saying: when positing on Soundcloud, doesnt bring money. Selling a product, service or art (which is a product) requires marketing. Even most of the (top) professional musicians in the electronic music segment are using Soundcloud to promote their newest albums and EPs, and they upload their recorded sets for promoters to listen to. In the more POP side of the music industry, many bands and singers use YouTube channels to promote their work. When someone is only thinking in posting music because you get some hard dollars for it, and leave all the other elements to make a business successful out of the equation, an artist probably will not become successful at all.
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Nice points there, an artist should do more. I just think doing it simultaneously can be not too encouraging. But all said, I support the motion that artists should be verified cos of theft.
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It's the reality of being an artist today. We have to have multiple streams of income if you want to actually eat. We street perform, teach and are gearing up to do more live shows which is where it still really counts at the end of the day.
Online is great for promotion but you still have to be able to put on a solid performance in front of a crowd if you want to actually make money in the 'real' world. Just my 2 cents :-]
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fact there, God help us all.
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Hi, thanks for writing this informative article. Just joined so have a quick question-does the order of the tags matter? Should I have #music first or does it not matter?
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doesn't matter
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And am also a music artiste just joined steemit and I'll be uploading my song soon
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Cool, welcome.
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love your content, i'm a musician too:)
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Cool! But I'm not a musician :)
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Yea edje a mickle initiative
Some people want to reap where they never sow
They want to benefit or partake of the goodwill and repertoire of others that they've gathered or accumulated over the years
I mean who does that
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Unfortunately quite a few I suppose :(
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Hey, so I'm pretty new to steemit and also thought about doing some original music when I found out about Dsound. That being said I don't really have any outside channels I use, I'd be creating music solely for steemit. What would you recommend I do to verify? I use this same name on outside websites (reddit and youtube) but I don't post on youtube. Thanks for your input and thanks for curating!
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You need to setup something that that others can verify you are you and your music is your music. Verification companies like the exchanges require a selfie with you ID in the image, but that may be a bit too much :) Users that have selfies in their posts and have themselves recorded in a video while the perform their music is a good indication of the user being the creator of the music.
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Great post
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Your posts are very interesting friends. help friends. love a drop of sweet honey.
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Your posts are very interesting friends. help friends. love a drop of sweet honey.
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You are doing a great job.. Great initiative to help creators/artists...
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I respect that you're taking a proactive stand against copyright infringement on DSound. I wouldn't have been surprised if, in the vein of Limewire and Napster, the community as a whole took advantage of the decentralised, non-mainstream nature of DSound to throw copyright respect to the wind. It's good to see people taking the higher ground here.
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I love this
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Cool
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if im posting other artists content and i have permission to do so, how do i demonstrate that via a post? You said to post the links to the website and social media that the song is on too?
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Making the cross reference between your own website or other social media channels shows that those channels and your Steemit user account are controlled by you, which in a sense is a verification. When using Facebook or YouTube to make such cross reference, the checks those service do on identity and original content increases (somewhat) the believe in accounts not stolen. Well there are ways to figure out if a FB and YouTube account are genuine or fake, but in the end it is not 100% proof, BUT for sure a very good start and as far as we can go without entering into ID verification processes.
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I think that is a true opinion and I agree with you
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Well said @edje :) Thanks for the tips. :)
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You're Welcome!
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I don't why I always met the issue said I error.please check the connection...
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Please check with the DTube/DSound guys; I'm not part f their teams.
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hi, your post made me reflect.
cheers from Portugal
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Cheers :)
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Im trying to log in with my steemit account but it keeps saying my private key is incorrect. I copied and pasted it from my email I sent to myself it allowed me to access dmania and dtube. PLEASE HELP
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Go to your Steemit Wallet and get your private key from their, maybe something went wrong in copy/paste.
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I really like music and I used to work in music, but now I enjoy and enjoy music that genre ranging from rock music to slow rock basically I really like music, and your post is right for me for how I can enjoy music thank you guys, thank you once again
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You're Welcome :)
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I like the idea of making a short video of you saying you're uploading the track to Sound. i am newbie
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I'm thinking of launching a project for ID and original content verification. Not sure how it should look like, and what it'll involve. But thinking about it :)
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Thanks for the tips.
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I have no idea how to get DSound votes, I think they hand out votes to music files/posts. This post here is an exception I would think. Best is to ask the DSound guys themself.
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Thanks for the info! I will check in with them.
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@edje
Only just discovered Dsound, am loving all the decentralised everything :-)
Dsound
Dtube
steemit
steepshot
wow it truly is a revolution of note, allowing people toshare almost anything now and get rewarded for being creative on most platforms previously abusing and using people.
Loveit!!!
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But now people are abusing the Steem blockchain by uploading content that is not their own, and even impersonate some musician and upload their stuff as well, while the ID is just stolen. Where money is, abuse is. Wondering though why some of them get good votes...and because of that, these services will be more abused :(
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That is a shame... best of luck with your tunes though, am sure you will do great.
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wow, i just started my channel a couple days ago and this is great info!
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With the generous rewards DSound is dishing out, it's more than worth it to put in the work and provide that extra personal touch and reassurance.
If you really take it seriously, I can at least speak for myself when I say, I would rather support an amateur musician trying, than a fake account posting music that isn't theirs. Take this opportunity to try something new, or improve your craft.
Be honest and be a part of the community! Cheers, thanks DSound!
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Thanks
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And thank you guys too for what you do. I misread the OP in thinking you were a part of the curation team of these platforms. Upon reading again I'm understanding that it's a separate thing 😆. That's a great initiative for the music community here - well done.
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Cool. In fact, the issue with DTube and DSound is that they dont have any mechanism (yet) to prevent illegal uploads, and to entice the user to not pretend to be someone else. This may get an issue from legal point of view, but it is also an issue in the amount of abuse that is ongoing and will be ongoing in the future. Where money is, abuse it; Where earning potential increase, abuse increases. Anyway, trust you understand where I'm coming from :)
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I totally agree. In fact, as a music producer - not an artist that stays within one style or genre - this problem has crossed my mind multiple times but for myself (thinking because I upload so many different genres and styles, people might assume I'm not the owner of them). Personally, I would love to see some kind of protocol set in place so as I could legitimize my work as well. It would work for both parties.
Hopefully we'll get something in place over time. Thanks for the chat!
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Congratulations @edje, this post is the tenth most rewarded post (based on pending payouts) in the last 12 hours written by a Superuser account holder (accounts that hold between 1 and 10 Mega Vests). The total number of posts by Superuser account holders during this period was 1480 and the total pending payments to posts in this category was $13289.91. To see the full list of highest paid posts across all accounts categories, click here.
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HALLO BUDDY STEEMIANS !! (Senior who already succeeded in steemit).
This is my post in an opportunity to introduce
My name is young cs, old 22 years.
For now I am a student. I studied Telecommunication Engineering.
And Hope I join this steemit is, to add relationships, experiences and spread benefits.
I hope the steemian friend will direct and guide me in working in this steemit.
<Follow me @young cs
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Very nice post I like it, and I will share it.
Follow back
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Not sure how you shared it, but no ReSteem of this post in your Blog feed. And I also think you ask me to follow you, something that is NOT done here at Steemit. Well, many do, ask for follows and votes but that is generally perceived as SPAM commenting and many Steemians give FLAGS for it. Today I'm in a good mood, so I will not give you a FLAG.
Have respect for people, the same in digital life as you will have in real life.
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