Nobody I know played this gem besides a handful of buddies from highschool. It's a realtime strategy game you might at first be inclined to conclude is simply "underwater starcraft", but the differences are more than superficial.
First of all, there is verticality to gameplay in a way not found in Starcraft. Units can ascend or descend through five layers of depth, and can hide underneath geological structures like caves, cliffs and overhangs to conceal themselves from the opponent.
The factions are very interesting as well. The Black Octopi and white sharks (the two human factions) are a bit samey except for some unique units each has that the other can't build, but the Silicons (the alien faction) are really something else.
They have a totally different way of building bases for one thing, and their weapons are completely different. Whereas the two other factions have predictable undersea weaponry (and some oddball stuff, like suicide bomber dolphins and mind controlled sharks to counter them) the Silicons have laser satellites, vacuum bombs and other exotic shit.
Anyway I always played Black Octopi, and besides Duke Nukem 3D and Quake, Sub Titans was one of the favorite games to play over LAN in the highschool computer lab. Matches got pretty heated in Duke and Quake, but Sub Titans games were usually pretty subdued, until one match in particular.
I was playing against a guy who was an ace at Quake. I always preferentially played against him even though he trampled all over me every time, because it's like running with weights on. My game improved much more rapidly if I practiced against him.
He was terrible at Sub Titans though and would become frustrated that his skill at an fps did not translate well to the rts genre. He was familiar with Starcraft only by reading about it in gaming magazines and on the shitty 1990s internet, so he thought the height of tactical brilliance was to mass manufacture small units the entire game, then send them all at me near the endgame.
As Starcraft players know, this is really a pretty elementary tactic which only works against new players unfamiliar with how to counter it. But my method of countering his small unit rush, after losing embarrassingly to it several times, was perhaps a bit ruthless.
I'd tried hiding my base in clever spots, with no luck. I tried distributing my base as much as possible to hide it better, under overhangs. Not practical on most maps. At last I arrived at a strategy which worked beautifully, but only once.
Rather than build a single large base, I built two medium sized ones. The easily located one had all the buildings that would only be temporarily useful, like science labs, and the turrets necessary to defend them until they finished researching nukes.
I had a single token sub factory and a smattering of other units for plausibility, but really it was just a decoy. My real base with the huge majority of the practical structures like sub factories, munitions factories, mines and so forth was elsewhere, tucked away in the corner of the map.
He scouted the decoy base early on, and apparently satisfied he'd found my real base, focused on mass producing single seat fighter subs. At last, he rushed the now defunct base, making no effort to conceal his glee as the swarm of fighters destroyed the labs one by one.
This is when I nuked my decoy base, destroying nearly all of his swarm, then sent my own fleet of corvettes and destroyers in the general direction I knew his base to be. I didn't bother researching scouts, because with his fleet destroyed I had plenty of time to track him down before he could build a new one.
This was, according to him, "cheating". Nuking your own bases/units never occurred to him as a viable strategy (which it isn't, save for extremely specific circumstances) and he insisted it was against the rules. What rules, I asked. He appealed to good sportsmanship, though not in those words.
But an RTS is a war game, and all is fair in love and war. He would not leave without a rematch, but I wouldn't give him one because I wanted to coast on the satisfaction of finally beating his only strategy, which had given me no small amount of trouble in the prior matches.
So he went off to steam, and I assumed he'd get over it. But he didn't talk to or play games with me after that, FPS included. I thought I was temperamental at that age, but I wouldn't have cut off a friend over a computer game. I'd have been more bothered by it except we only really spoke to or met with each other to play those games in the first place.
As for the ethics of bombing my own troops? Let history be my judge. Each and every one of them knew what they were signing up for, and they live on in glory as martyrs whose sacrifice made the final victory of the Black Octopi possible. ( ಥ‿ಥ)
@alexbeyman,
Is this a strategic type gaming? Few years back I did play few of them, but now I think it's impossible with my work load! Anyway I am interesting about this game! An underwater colonized game right!
Cheers~
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I am not really much of a game person and so havnt heard of or played this game but from the review you just gave, I think it's gonna be an interesting one and I really wouldn't mind giving it a try if I get the chance.
What's the name of the game?
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Submarine Titans
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Looks like command and conquer, its a grand strategy game you would love it
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I think building 2 two medium sized bases rather than a big one was an excellent strategy, this strategy destroyed him, I don't think it's cheating, because I have heard it from someone everything in fair in love and war.
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5 layers that is more then my birthday cake.
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Gaming gives us a chance to just let go, blow somebody up and fight somebody from another dimension. It's all escapism.
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Yea, he called it cheating, because all of the sudden he was loosing.lol When you asked him “what rules” he was speechless. He didn’t want to admit you outgrew him. I have to admit, you are very creative though. That’s what made you a winner.
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You only learn when you fight with the best and you actually did it
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Well it isn't cheating if it is out there as an option haha. Some say the spamming primary units strategy is cheesy too.. :P
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I have the same problem. I always rekt everyone in school if it was related to gaming.
No one could ever beat me. Because they were complete noobs.
And they were jealous and didn't want to play with me (Because I was "cheating") unless they absolutely needed to win a match and tried to take me into their team. Kids are evil :(((
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Haha..
Everything is indeed fair in love and war..
He had it coming
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Brilliant.
I applaud your ruthlessness and pragmatism. Of course its a tactic that can only be used a limited number of times against a specific enemy, but devastating at the time.
Of note, you employed several of Sun Tzu's core strategies. Central being that all war is deception. Be strong where you seem weak, be weak where you appear strong. The glorious strategist himself would be proud at your implementation of time tested fundamentals of war.
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Unless he was in the base I nuked
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That's a great strategy and ethics doesn't really come into the picture since it is a game. I say you won fair and square.
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As much as I was into games at that time I'm super surprised that I've never seen this before. Must be some alternate universe shit. It looks badass even now.
All strategy is valid in rts, and that one was super cool and completely in the spirit of the genre.
And yea, your troops are living it up in Valhalla, glad to be there.
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Bombing your own troops is often a great strategy :) reminds me of firing into melee combat in Warhammer 40k!
Never saw this game which is interesting because I played a lot at this time and looks like my kind of game then.
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Haven’t tried it tbh
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Fighting with the top rated reveals the best and worst in you. And you have revealed your best @alexbayman
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I often lose in game play,, I'm hard to find crack, what a high level game again, but I will try.
thanks for the way
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The way you have presented the game it seems an addiction factor will be present for gamers. Worth to give it a go on your note. The best part of it being strategy.
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Dear @alexbeyman thank you for the information, I am also a game addict, I will try to play
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Havn't played this game ....but the way you are describing i am surely gonna have to play it.....hope i like it
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Every word of your mind, you wrote very well. Hopefully you'll be giving us a good post like this.
I would like to say you keep it up and well done.
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It is the fight alone that pleases us, not the victory
Keep it up
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This great gaming... i appreciate this video games.
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Ho-ho, he didn't expect his arse to be spanked :d
What rules was he talking about? There are no rules in war! There is only victory or defeat!
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its a good strategy game i love it @alexbeyman
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well i am not a big fan of games since just few games i know i have played
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that's soo cool, its very interesting game, i would like to play ;)
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